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[AverageJoe90]

39. Yes, and I didn't intend to imply that feedbacks were impossible, period.....

TBH, though, on that front, I assumed you meant something along the lines of complete runaway warming(which is what it usually implies from my experience, though if I was wrong in your case, I hope you will forgive the mistake.)

I've just stopped caring what the actual deniers think or say.

I've tried myself. But they do still have a fair share of ill-gotten influence.

If we worry about them we'll be as conservative as the IPCC, and that's no service to the world. They've been proven wrong. The big conferences don't work either. Time to move on.

Yes, but I should also point out that the supposed "conservatism" of the IPCC, while perhaps largely true 10-20 years ago, has largely been exaggerated in recent years; while it is true that Arctic sea ice did in fact melt down far faster than originally predicted, along with a few other things, the IPCC has largely been on track with most things, especially where temp rises are concerned.

If you still think it's enough to work on carbon emission reduction alone, by all means do it but do it with a lot more vigor.

TBH, I'm not convinced that may be quite enough, either.

Remember too, the Arab Spring was driven by food prices much more than by facebook and twitter.

Well, somewhat so, yes.

If you think carbon sequestration will save us despite its impossibly long time scales, go for it, we do need to get that done eventually.

Natural sequestration may take a while, yes. Artificial sequestration, though, can already be done with enough political willpower.

It dwarfs all other concerns.

That may very well be true; if we want role models, I highly suggest we look to the anti-nuclear movement in the '70s & '80s. Global Thermonuclear war, though extremely unlikely now, was a very real danger in those days, and, arguably, potentially far more dangerous than climate change; even a somewhat limited(like, say, ~4000 MT or so) nuclear war would have done greater damage to our biosphere overall than all but the worst case scenarios of AGW with only a very few exceptions(ice caps, ocean acidification). And luckily for us, things eventually got done about it.

I'm personally inclined to believe that we're at the same stage with climate change now, as we were with nukes in the early-mid '70s: People do recognize the dangers, but the government isn't doing quite as much as it could yet.