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Hoyt

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26. The quest for preventing gun violence is not worthless. Gun owners won't stop gun use, so

Mon Jan 27, 2014, 02:35 PM

Jan 2014

government has to take action -- sometimes experiment -- to stop gun fanciers from killing innocent people, directly (pull the trigger), or indirectly (accumulate gunz, transfer gunz without background checks, indoctrinate kids into gun culture, vote based upon support of gunz, encourage bigoted "stand your ground" laws, support carrying of gunz in public, and more).

How many people need to get killed, wounded, intimidated, etc., before gun lovers say this has gone too far?

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A Sensible Safe Smart Gun Law - Guess Who Hates It [View all] DeSwiss Jan 2014 OP

Gun fanciers say it doesn't work. I think they are afraid they might pull a Zimmerman and Hoyt Jan 2014 #1

''Gun fanciers say it doesn't work.'' DeSwiss Jan 2014 #2

Still continuing with the fantasy that all gun owners... krispos42 Jan 2014 #4

Points well taken Android3.14 Jan 2014 #6

If those objections were valid, don't you think S&W would have referenced them in their anouncement? baldguy Jan 2014 #9

In order for it to help solve crimes... krispos42 Jan 2014 #10

I'll grant you this one. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #21

Gotta take the long-term view. Nothing works all the time, and if we don't start somewhere Hoyt Jan 2014 #11

So, for the record... krispos42 Jan 2014 #17

I'm for gun fanciers starting to act "responsibly" with society's best interests in mind, rather Hoyt Jan 2014 #18

At what point would you grant this technology is worthless? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #22

When gun fanciers stop whining about it. Fact is, I think you guys are afraid of anything that Hoyt Jan 2014 #23

Until they invent gun barrels that do not wear, it will not get better. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #24

The quest for preventing gun violence is not worthless. Gun owners won't stop gun use, so Hoyt Jan 2014 #26

This experiment has failed spectacularly. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #28

Personally, I'm for any hoops that might make you guys stop buying/carrying/promoting gunz. Hoyt Jan 2014 #30

Well, it's nice of you to be honest, but AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #32

Apparently, some local governments think it is a good idea, notwithstanding the whining. Hoyt Jan 2014 #36

You mean 'notwithstanding the complete ineffectiveness as a law enforcement tool'? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #38

That is your opinion. I think it is effective, as do these companies and some states. Hoyt Jan 2014 #39

How is one solved crime, ever, an 'effective' law enforcment tool, at a cost of 2.6mill? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #40

Heh, don't feel like going on the record, huh? krispos42 Jan 2014 #42

Not exactly, but it is not in society's best interests for you and a bunch of gun fanciers to Hoyt Jan 2014 #43

It's usually a tragic canoeing accident. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #44

Difficult to get "traction" from right wing gun owners, and they are the majority. Hoyt Jan 2014 #45

It's actually something that can be shown. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #46

I didn't see squat from gun owners. riqster Jan 2014 #3

It isn't sensible, safe, or smart... pipoman Jan 2014 #5

How is it unsafe? Hoyt Jan 2014 #12

How is it safe? pipoman Jan 2014 #13

a waste Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #7

Statement from Smith and Wesson... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #8

I wonder how many dollars Smith & Wesson will lose in sales? A Simple Game Jan 2014 #14

A message to Smith & Wesson. Eljo_Don Jan 2014 #15

I really can't see someone going to a shooting range to collect shell casings. Hoyt Jan 2014 #16

It does seem unlikely. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #25

And, if they get caught with altered gun, they can't have anymore. Problem solved for that miscreant Hoyt Jan 2014 #27

How in the world would you check that? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #29

Yeah, I'm really concerned about any hassles the poor, pitiful gun fancier is put through. Hoyt Jan 2014 #31

Well, depends on your goal. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #33

Like gunners stance on microstamping, you are not likely to get any meaningful "AID" from them. Hoyt Jan 2014 #35

Not true. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #37

Ballistic fingerprinting doesn't work. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #20

If you want to know why it's opposed, ask the Police in CA why they are exempt. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #19

Because files don't exist Taitertots Jan 2014 #34

If someone is walking down the street with shell catchers, they are a Zimmerman waiting to happen. Hoyt Jan 2014 #41