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AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
18. Thanks, Mike. (And, TBH, I wish Mrs. Haspel could do a similar article on the AGW issue as well.)
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:45 PM
Apr 2013

I do see some rather interesting, and unfortunately similarities here, TBH: Like with the GMO controversy, in the AGW argument, too, there is a significant problem with some on our side combatting denialist bullshit with bad science(i.e. "Venus Syndrome", Permian-style "clathrate gun" stuff, "Canfield Oceans", "runaway" warming), and even outright junk(such as New Agey mumbo-jumbo crap like sudden dramatic climate temperature shifts without corresponding increases in greenhouse gases, etc., or David Wasdell's "Earth System" junk, in which he claims a climate sensitivity of 7.8*C per doubling.).

And, like yourself, I too, have been called all sorts of things for doing what I do; a "minimizer", a "lukewarmist", and even accusations of secret denial were thrown around occasionally, just as you were (wrongly, I believe) accused of shilling for Monsanto by a few extremists. So I understand where you're coming from.

As with climate change denial, it is a very good thing that Monsanto's dishonesty is being challenged, and combatted; GMOs still have MANY issues that need to be sorted out, and too often, safety and quality are sacrificed for profit. But we need to do it with REAL science, and not unverifiable junk, as what you might see on InfoWars or some other kooky fringe site.

What I shill for, if anything is science literacy and good research design. Science without external agendas.


Amen to that!
Whatever. bunnies Apr 2013 #1
that study was also bogus.... mike_c Apr 2013 #2
Its a "personal bias" to say that poison is poison? bunnies Apr 2013 #5
it is when the actual evidence doesn't support that bias.... mike_c Apr 2013 #8
Its only called that by monsanto representatives socialsecurityisAAA Apr 2013 #9
What about Monsanto's own studies, Mike? appal_jack Apr 2013 #20
oh no, it's well understood that self study is about as objective... mike_c Apr 2013 #22
I agree that most scientists are good, ethical people. appal_jack Apr 2013 #23
Xenoestrogens are known to be toxic BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #3
and yet folks doing bad science rely upon confirmation bias rather than... mike_c Apr 2013 #4
I'm not a chemist BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #6
The body produces the estrogens we need socialsecurityisAAA Apr 2013 #10
You don't have to try to convince me xenoestrogens are horribly toxic BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #11
Just giving you more ammo for your arsenal to use against monsanto reps socialsecurityisAAA Apr 2013 #12
More ammo is always good BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #13
The wealthy can afford organic, free range food. socialsecurityisAAA Apr 2013 #19
No. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #15
K&R Progressive dog Apr 2013 #7
You have completely ignored the important part of that study. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #14
with all due respect... mike_c Apr 2013 #17
The academy protects its own shava May 2013 #24
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #25
long time listener first time caller shava May 2013 #27
We are glad you came aboard! hrmjustin May 2013 #28
for more discussion on this on my G+ shava May 2013 #29
this paper describes areas KT2000 Apr 2013 #16
Thanks, Mike. (And, TBH, I wish Mrs. Haspel could do a similar article on the AGW issue as well.) AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #18
I don't like Monsanto's practices either, uriel1972 Apr 2013 #21
That is a reasonable Newest Reality May 2013 #26
I assume you have a plan to fund this then? shava May 2013 #30
I appreciate your Newest Reality May 2013 #31
When people respond to a news story, it's as though it weren't to a real situation shava May 2013 #32
Ok, then. Newest Reality May 2013 #33
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