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Uncle Joe

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Mon Jun 27, 2016, 03:23 PM Jun 2016

Yes, There Have Been Aliens [View all]



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Or consider the average lifetime of a civilization. Humans have been using radio technology for only about 100 years. How much longer will our civilization last? A thousand more years? A hundred thousand more? Ten million more? If the average lifetime for a civilization is short, the galaxy is likely to be unpopulated most of the time. Once again, however, with only one example to draw from, it’s back to a battle between pessimists and optimists.

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In our recent paper, Professor Sullivan and I did this by shifting the focus of Drake’s equation. Instead of asking how many civilizations currently exist, we asked what the probability is that ours is the only technological civilization that has ever appeared. By asking this question, we could bypass the factor about the average lifetime of a civilization. This left us with only three unknown factors, which we combined into one “biotechnical” probability: the likelihood of the creation of life, intelligent life and technological capacity.

You might assume this probability is low, and thus the chances remain small that another technological civilization arose. But what our calculation revealed is that even if this probability is assumed to be extremely low, the odds that we are not the first technological civilization are actually high. Specifically, unless the probability for evolving a civilization on a habitable-zone planet is less than one in 10 billion trillion, then we are not the first.

To give some context for that figure: In previous discussions of the Drake equation, a probability for civilizations to form of one in 10 billion per planet was considered highly pessimistic. According to our finding, even if you grant that level of pessimism, a trillion civilizations still would have appeared over the course of cosmic history.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/opinion/sunday/yes-there-have-been-aliens.html?WT.mc_id=2016-KWP-AUD_DEV&WT.mc_ev=click&ad-keywords=AUDDEVREMARK&kwp_0=168169&kwp_4=687656&kwp_1=350075&_r=0



This is a thought provoking analysis.
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Yes, There Have Been Aliens [View all] Uncle Joe Jun 2016 OP
Neil Young SheriffBob Jun 2016 #1
Neil Young is a wonderful human being. saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #13
Thats a very rational perspective PJMcK Jun 2016 #2
Thanks for a thoughtful commentary. CrispyQ Jun 2016 #4
The Well World series sort of outdid that ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2016 #11
I believe that there are aliens RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #3
As the musician Joe Jackson wrote: PJMcK Jun 2016 #5
Uh, there were not 13 channels. RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #6
Didn't your TV have the special, secret extra channel? PJMcK Jun 2016 #7
Channel 1 had all the best stuff jberryhill Jun 2016 #8
It still does! William Seger Jun 2016 #19
So that's why channel UHF never worked. chknltl Jun 2016 #10
That was the best way to contact aliens jberryhill Jun 2016 #20
There were more than 13 channels Major Nikon Jun 2016 #14
Seems reasonable. DirkGently Jun 2016 #9
Uncle Joe, K&R for those who saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #12
Thanks Uncle Joe, now the Fermi Paradox is even more mysterious! JoeOtterbein Jun 2016 #15
This article and the Fermi Paradox suggest to me that Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #22
I agree that the exceptions are extreemly rare due to those factors JoeOtterbein Jun 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author JoeOtterbein Jun 2016 #16
There very well may be other LuvNewcastle Jun 2016 #17
Could Donald Trump be an alien? red dog 1 Jun 2016 #18
thank you for this very interesting article. niyad Jun 2016 #21
The problem is that we have NO rational basis for estimating any of the probabilities struggle4progress Jun 2016 #24
Evolution here on Earth and the sheer, overwhelming magnitude of other like conditions Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #25
What exactly is needed? Intermittently drying tidal pools? Or intermittently drying tidal pools struggle4progress Jun 2016 #27
If you're speaking about good fortune or luck, from my understanding of the Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #28
With 100 billion or so galaxies, there's perhaps plenty of possibility for unimaginably strange struggle4progress Jun 2016 #31
I have no doubt there are all forms of life out there. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #32
We have a few data points. The ridiculously huge size of the known Universe. The fact that planets Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #33
Unless they are in our own galaxy it exboyfil Jun 2016 #26
"The Universe in 4 Minutes." Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #29
"The History of the Universe in 10 Minutes" Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #30
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