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happyslug

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22. That is NOT the law, the FAA can require something, but that is all
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 07:04 PM
Jul 2013

The FAA can REQUIRE things for planes, but that does NOT mean the Airline can NOT install other items that the FAA does not require (in this case locks on doors to the Cockpits). Given that such locks were Recommended, that the FAA did not require them does NOT relive the airline of liability due to their failure to install such locks.

The classic case is from the 1932s where Federal Judge Learned Hand ruled that since an accident could have been avoided if a barge had a radio, the failure to have a radio is grounds for being liable due to the damage done by the barge. The fact that most barges did NOT have radios OR that radios were NOT required by any state of Federal Law was NOT a defense to liability for failing to have a radio. Hand's rationale was simple, how else are you to force people to adopt new technology unless you make it clear that they are liable for NOT have the new technology once such new technology does prevent accidents or other harm. Please note, the radio in question were radios to receive weather reports and other news items NOT to transmit messages. By 1932 such radios were common in most people's home let alone ocean going barges.

The same rationale here, locked Cockpits had been recommended since the 1970s and that period's hijackings, thus the fact that the FAA did not require it does NOT relieve the Airlines of fault for NOT having them. The fact that the FAA never required such locks is NOT a defense, given that such locked Cockpits would have prevented any take over of the airlines AND thus any of the airlines hitting any buildings.

More on Learned Hand:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_Hand

The actual decision in that case:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=8197801632769400398&q=60+F.2d+737&hl=en&as_sdt=2002

I don't get it sakabatou Jul 2013 #1
I am having a hard time with this too. christx30 Jul 2013 #2
It's not IDemo Jul 2013 #3
Pure and Simple AverageMe Jul 2013 #5
agree. all the previous hi-jackings and they never started to lock cockpit doors! Sunlei Jul 2013 #9
The FAA never ordered it. former9thward Jul 2013 #13
That is NOT the law, the FAA can require something, but that is all happyslug Jul 2013 #22
I don't think that case is a good precedent. former9thward Jul 2013 #24
You missed the point, the case pointed out liability in areas where they was no regulations happyslug Jul 2013 #28
The judge agreed with me. former9thward Jul 2013 #30
But it will be appealed as set forth in the article happyslug Jul 2013 #31
That will take two or three years. former9thward Jul 2013 #32
Recommended but it wasnt required was it? cstanleytech Jul 2013 #23
Seems like an obvious attempt at an insurance grab LibAsHell Jul 2013 #27
I think it should be... SoapBox Jul 2013 #4
The elite suing the elite leads to this crap.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #6
Yes. And let's not forget how heavily subsidized the airline industry is. Another regressive tax. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #8
Their pilots, flight attendants and passengers were murdered. Their planes were destroyed. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #7
Property over People every time. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #14
America in a nutshell. Putting the boot to they who are least able to afford it. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #10
IMO dotymed Jul 2013 #11
If there were any evidence for a conspiracy the insurance companies wouldn't have paid up cpwm17 Jul 2013 #12
lol dotymed Jul 2013 #15
Obviously you've got nothing cpwm17 Jul 2013 #16
Trade links? dotymed Jul 2013 #17
Here's one. There are many just on DU. dotymed Jul 2013 #19
I skimmed the video cpwm17 Jul 2013 #25
"Solidify the myth." Yes, all laws of physics and common sense were broken on 9/11. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #18
I am aware of this. dotymed Jul 2013 #20
If they should sue anyone, why not Al Queda life long demo Jul 2013 #21
Lawyerz gonna lawyer BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #26
Oh.My.God. librechik Jul 2013 #29
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