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Sancho

(9,072 posts)
36. People Control, Not Gun Control
Sun Jun 20, 2021, 06:26 PM
Jun 2021


This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.
what a country where every last psycho can waltz into a gun store and load up Blues Heron Jun 2021 #1
Sing it! slumcamper Jun 2021 #2
It's now been a couple of years since I was able to travel out of the country, Lonestarblue Jun 2021 #3
Which is unfortunate since statistically YMB Jun 2021 #5
Peddle your bs elsewhere Mysterian Jun 2021 #6
Yup Lemon Lyman Jun 2021 #7
"Semi-autos and pistols should be banned." Jedi Guy Jun 2021 #8
It will be done; better sooner than later Mysterian Jun 2021 #13
What you want is essentially a ban on 90% of firearms. YMB Jun 2021 #14
90% of legal firearms are semi-autos and pistols? Mysterian Jun 2021 #25
I would estimate the number to be in the ballpark of 60% to 70%, myself. Dial H For Hero Jun 2021 #30
Highly doubtful. Jedi Guy Jun 2021 #16
So why aren't fully auto weapons and hand grenades sold at Walmart Mysterian Jun 2021 #26
"I say let everybody have single action rifles and shotguns." Jedi Guy Jun 2021 #28
Nope, going to be a voluntary turn-in program with compensation Mysterian Jun 2021 #29
That is a fascinatingly well-developed delusion you have there. Jedi Guy Jun 2021 #31
What is a "single action rifles and shotguns"? oneshooter Jun 2021 #33
Given these numbers, how exactly will most firearms in this country be confiscated? Dial H For Hero Jun 2021 #22
Turn the fuckers in or pay a $10,000 fine if caught with one Mysterian Jun 2021 #27
The chance of such a law being passed and surviving a court challenge is virtually nil. Dial H For Hero Jun 2021 #32
Im not saying ANYTHING about YMB Jun 2021 #9
During My Army Days DallasNE Jun 2021 #12
Not all of those are homicides melm00se Jun 2021 #17
The poster did technically say 'get in a vehicle accident' ... not 'die in one'. Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #20
Thank you for calling out that nonsense greenjar_01 Jun 2021 #21
I wasnt singling out Chicago YMB Jun 2021 #23
Don't quit your day job. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2021 #24
You are correct. LastDemocratInSC Jun 2021 #10
For what it's worth, Arizona has always had an open carry law. It was a shock to me, an Ohioan ... marble falls Jun 2021 #18
Guns, Guns, Guns, Some people think they are lots of fun- WARNING, HORRIFIC, VERY SAD!!! Stuart G Jun 2021 #4
Authorities knew he shot a guy at sports bar. LisaL Jun 2021 #11
Yeah that line gave me the chills Cal Carpenter Jun 2021 #15
Even if he isn't a goof, I don't want 19 yr old armed security guards. marble falls Jun 2021 #19
How about 19 year old oneshooter Jun 2021 #34
Yes Deuxcents Jun 2021 #35
Put that 19yr old through bootcamp first and we'll discuss that, too. It's one thing to platoon.. marble falls Jun 2021 #37
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jun 2021 #36
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