Latest Breaking News

Bellerophon

(50 posts)

90. And many

Reply to RufusTFirefly (Reply #68)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 06:42 PM

Jul 2012

Are ignorant to the fact that the precedent that they are creating can be used against them....

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

217 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

ACLU attorney: Blocking Chick-fil-A over gay marriage 'viewpoint discrimination' [View all] hack89 Jul 2012 OP

So... GrantDem Jul 2012 #1

Are you kidding atreides1 Jul 2012 #5

They also defended Rush Limbaugh when he was going through his painkiller addiction. JoeInNy Jul 2012 #43

Yep iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #71

and Ollie North mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2012 #142

After the ACLU agreed with the Citizens United decision hack89 Jul 2012 #15

I know I have wordpix Jul 2012 #115

ACLU who ?? blkmusclmachine Jul 2012 #127

Yes, that's why I stopped giving money to them Joe Bacon Jul 2012 #147

Like any other issue/belief iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #69

The hole I see in that argument are the segregated lunch counters of the 60's. Lint Head Jul 2012 #2

chick-fil-a doesn't have seating segregated on the basis of sexual orientation unblock Jul 2012 #7

I agree. Chick-fil-a can support whatever whacko stance they want .... marble falls Jul 2012 #136

exactly. we can protest. politicians can write letters and encourage them to change or keep away. unblock Jul 2012 #137

I am glad to see this reaction. Sterling Aug 2012 #173

I don't understand the comparison n/t Enrique Jul 2012 #26

uh, that's a very poor comparison. cali Jul 2012 #126

if the owner of burger king MrDiaz Jul 2012 #3

I don't feel we owe equal consideration for the enemy. nt Deep13 Jul 2012 #13

Well, that's how the Constitution works. PavePusher Jul 2012 #24

Fine, but I have no reason to defend the rights of bigots. Deep13 Jul 2012 #32

OK MrDiaz Jul 2012 #41

Geez, we don't like RepubliCONs and say so all the time, what's the difference here? xtraxritical Jul 2012 #65

Actually, in our society, you should defend their rights. PavePusher Jul 2012 #44

(always sorry to see DUers miss this point.) annabanana Jul 2012 #129

See #48. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #54

You have EVERY reason to defend their rights. The cure for hate speech annabanana Jul 2012 #131

+1 treestar Jul 2012 #153

Yep. Defending bigots is not my problem. closeupready Aug 2012 #169

+1 :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #72

I know exactly what to tell her/him.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #74

That's what I thought. :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #99

Sort of like when Fox "News" discusses whether accused terrorists deserve civil rights? Faryn Balyncd Jul 2012 #27

Um, no. Locking people up for years on end with no trial and subjecting them to torture Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #28

The issue is whether or not bad people, or those accused of being bad, have civil & economic rights. Faryn Balyncd Jul 2012 #36

And I would argue that those who attempt to deny others their basic rights Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #45

I think you make a good point. Chick-fil-A is engaged in RKP5637 Jul 2012 #81

chick-fil-A is not engaged in discrimination. grok Jul 2012 #92

Not directly atreides1 Aug 2012 #176

They didn't discriminate Missycim Jul 2012 #121

I have no idea how that relates to this story. nt Deep13 Jul 2012 #34

Do bad people have rights? Faryn Balyncd Jul 2012 #39

Well, the rich ones do. Deep13 Jul 2012 #51

Do you understand how the Constitution works? The GOVERNMENT cannot kelly1mm Jul 2012 #33

Not my problem. Deep13 Jul 2012 #35

If you don't believe it's important to defend the rights of others, even when you disagree with them PavePusher Jul 2012 #48

OoooH! Big bad bogeyman comin' to getch'a if you don't support Chick-fil-A! Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #61

Thanks for spinning. Now, please respond to what I was actually saying. Or not... n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #62

I believe I've already answered that question many times, but what the hell? Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #67

Errr, I am not aware that the busines itself, as in each actual eating establishment... PavePusher Jul 2012 #70

As has now been mentioned several times on this thread Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #75

Now we're getting somewhere, I hadn't seen that earlier. PavePusher Jul 2012 #82

O.K., on further review, I'm not seeing what you seem to be implying. PavePusher Jul 2012 #139

Really? How many married gay couples do you see in those videos? Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #188

What other rights does he forfeit? treestar Jul 2012 #154

He's already in business Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #186

Dear Deep 13 I want to thank you for offering so many opportunities annabanana Jul 2012 #132

That's gonna leave a mark.... n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #140

They can and do discriminate against moral views Major Nikon Jul 2012 #123

Boston and Chicago officials are only voicing opinions. Deep13 Aug 2012 #168

Something the freeps would say... liberallibral Aug 2012 #177

Hey ACLU, I love you. And kindly STFU. Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #4

huh? arely staircase Jul 2012 #6

Um yeah, actually it is Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #11

are you the government? that is who the aclu is talking about arely staircase Jul 2012 #18

As I pointed out in my example, the "government" in this case is often acting is coordination Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #20

using government powers arely staircase Jul 2012 #95

As much as I want to agree with you... primavera Jul 2012 #104

No one is shutting Chick-fil-A down Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #110

There is a difference between boycotting and banning an opponent from exercising their rights. Faryn Balyncd Jul 2012 #9

Did somebody say that the Chick-fil-A CEO doesn't have a legal right to express his opinion? Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #14

"Saying no to a company" because of political views is fundamentally different from saying no to... Faryn Balyncd Jul 2012 #17

Ah, and I guess Chick-fil-A's CEO donating millions of dollars to Christian anti-gay Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #19

Why not revoke the business licenses of all businesses whose owners donate to the Republican Party? Faryn Balyncd Jul 2012 #23

LOL. Sounds like a good idea to me. Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #25

So donating to a malignant organization whose members include a few dissenters "isn't enough of a... Faryn Balyncd Jul 2012 #31

So you've now defined the Republican Party as a malignant organization. Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #38

Perhaps our time would be better spent fighting for justice WITHOUT adopting the tactics of... Faryn Balyncd Jul 2012 #50

LOL. I'll tell you what Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #57

So if the local governmet was against marriage equality and a company made it very clear kelly1mm Jul 2012 #37

A CEO donating millions of dollars to anti-gay causes falls under business practices that violate Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #42

Since Heller has defined the right to a firearm as an individual civil right, should kelly1mm Jul 2012 #52

Who the fuck is Heller? Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #53

USSC case of DC v. Heller. Here is a link: kelly1mm Jul 2012 #55

Okay, gun control is kind of a broad issue, don't you think? Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #58

Assume for argument's sake that some CEO was for a total ban on all handguns. Would you then kelly1mm Jul 2012 #63

Okay, let's assume for some totally pointless sake and for no other reason than appeasing Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #66

Spin, Spin.... joeglow3 Aug 2012 #175

Lame, lame. n/t Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #189

Let me ask you this: Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #47

Yes, a pattern of violating the law in hiring (or other) business practices may be a valid reason... Faryn Balyncd Jul 2012 #64

Good enough. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #85

Deliberatly mis-representing the very first sentence of the article doesn't help your argument. PavePusher Jul 2012 #141

Are you honestly trying to tell me that donating to right wing Christian causes Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #187

So if the owner of a chicken shack openly supports gay marriage TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #149

Bravo n/t SylviaD Jul 2012 #163

Bravo Twice! Redford Jul 2012 #164

Yeah, iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #73

Nobody's forcing them on anything Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #77

Examiner? Really? geardaddy Jul 2012 #8

But the ACLU quotes are accurate. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #12

"ACLU Defends Nazis' Right To Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Deep13 Jul 2012 #10

Who Said FrodosPet Jul 2012 #128

Well said! Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #156

I don't eat chicken, alright if I boycott Chick-fil-A? Downwinder Jul 2012 #16

OK so the owner is nykym Jul 2012 #21

Dear ACLU, as much as I love you 98% of the time, this is one of those times you're wrong... truebrit71 Jul 2012 #22

No they are not wrong. zeemike Jul 2012 #30

I'm not too worried about this edge. Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #78

that is the same reasoning that gave us the patriot act zeemike Jul 2012 #105

So denying a homophobic business permission to open up a store is now the same thing Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #114

Well that is what you don't understand about principal. zeemike Jul 2012 #116

I just have a different interpretation of principals than you Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #117

does this help you understand my point? zeemike Jul 2012 #119

No Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #122

That was not intended to be the exact same example. zeemike Jul 2012 #134

If you don't like being compared to Faux News, stop taking their side. n/t Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #184

Aw yes the old "you are either with us or against us" zeemike Aug 2012 #190

Fuck independent thought Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #191

Yes then I am against you zeemike Aug 2012 #192

LOL. Do me a favor, go and say that to a group of gay people that aren't even allowed to have legal Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #197

Say what? zeemike Aug 2012 #198

Protesting a chicken sandwich will do nothing Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #199

Hey it DID happen without me. zeemike Aug 2012 #200

Your idea of fairness is what's warped Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #201

Well perhaps I should just tuck my tail in and slink away from here zeemike Aug 2012 #202

hey if you want to leave, buh bye. Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #203

Well I guess you don't get sarcasm ether. zeemike Aug 2012 #206

So you're now equating a business that supports the environment with eco-terrorists? Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #207

Well your business that supports the environment zeemike Aug 2012 #208

Let's just cut to the chase Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #212

Does life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness mean nothing to you? zeemike Aug 2012 #213

So in other words, no, you can't point out any constitutional amendment Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #214

I have no illusions that I will ever convince you of anything. zeemike Aug 2012 #215

Um, yeah, you go right ahead and pat yourself on the back about Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #216

It is rare to see an independent thinker as a hero. zeemike Aug 2012 #217

Yes they are. They are an organisation that supports bigotry. truebrit71 Jul 2012 #160

Well pardon me but it is not the end of the story at all. zeemike Jul 2012 #165

Boston and Chicago have a right to grant (or not) building permits.. truebrit71 Jul 2012 #166

Well indeed they do have that right. zeemike Jul 2012 #167

What is the law that says "It is illegal to discriminate based on sex, COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #179

This one.. truebrit71 Aug 2012 #180

That's only the law in Illinois, not other states. COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #193

There is nothing you can point to that COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #194

Remember that next time Jackson MS works on banning some company for it's pro-choice message 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #158

I agree with the ACLU JoeyT Jul 2012 #29

Me too! NeverEnuff Jul 2012 #46

+1 Apparently, some people don't get the whole "Constitution thing" n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2012 #68

Government can regulate commerce. It's in The Constitution. Look it up. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #89

Lets say a business was pro gay marriage? Travis_0004 Jul 2012 #102

Watch this and let me know what you think. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #103

I say let them expand to those states. JoeyT Jul 2012 #124

Yes, but it can't regulate speech (except within very COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #196

And many Bellerophon Jul 2012 #90

As much as I hate their bigotry, I agree with the ACLU Matariki Jul 2012 #40

What about when the CEO has a pattern of transferring his religious opinions to business practices? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #56

There are appropriate labor laws to address such issues. nt hack89 Jul 2012 #59

And there's the right of local governments to not allow them to do business there. Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #76

So a local government has the "right" to deny a license to pro-choice corporation? hack89 Jul 2012 #80

See post# 83 Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #84

governments dont have rights arely staircase Jul 2012 #101

And yet, Arcata continues to do it Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #113

No they can't treestar Jul 2012 #155

Gay people are a protected class under law Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #83

But how is expressing an opinion of marriage equality violating anyone's rights? hack89 Jul 2012 #87

Donating millions of dollars to anti-gay groups Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #88

But if they hire gay workers and serve gay customers whose rights are being violated? hack89 Jul 2012 #96

No, you don't have to do something illegal Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #108

It is a two edge sword you are swinging there hack89 Jul 2012 #109

LOL. Conservatives have been coming after my sacred oxen for years Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #112

How is it you don't get that all chains are being treated exactly the same TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #150

How is it that you don't understand that cities can zone however they want? Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #185

ACLU: defenders of Rush Limbaugh's "privacy", Citizens United, Nazi marches in Skokie bluestateguy Jul 2012 #49

What you advocate is more oppressive than those you denigrate askeptic Jul 2012 #138

OMG, that is insane Vattel Jul 2012 #60

I had this discussion with a friend of a Facebook friend... Not Me Jul 2012 #79

Indeed... n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #86

Because one is based on their religion and the other is based on their ACTIONS. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #91

Hassin, you are right Not Me Jul 2012 #93

What 'practices'? randome Jul 2012 #94

Watch this and let me know if it changes your view of CF? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #98

My opnion of Chick-Fil-A is not a good one. randome Jul 2012 #106

Has there been evidence of CF discrimination against gay employees or customers? mainer Jul 2012 #120

So bigots have rights too; they are still bigots SkatmanRoth Jul 2012 #97

This isn't going to be popular, but I'm prepared for that jmowreader Jul 2012 #100

OR Every gay in town could show up every day. Buy ONE CUP OF TEA and spend hours annabanana Jul 2012 #133

On edit: WHAT wait staff? jmowreader Jul 2012 #148

No, tea is to high a profit margin. I'd bet they make more off a tea than anything. TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #151

I find it most disconcerting that there are so many people here on DU who don't believe in freedom Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #107

I'm suspecting there's bunches of annabanana Jul 2012 #130

I don't think they are intentionally trolling and even I don't agree with the ACLU 100% of the time Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #143

Yes indeed. NoGOPZone Jul 2012 #146

ACLU does the right thing again Riftaxe Jul 2012 #111

Gay marriage supporter here, but I must agree with the ACLU on this. mainer Jul 2012 #118

Community Standards guneydomuz Jul 2012 #125

Fracking, alcohol, nuclear power plants, firework makers, bars, guns and ammo, landfills, refineries part man all 86 Jul 2012 #135

They aren't talking restricting restaurants, chicken places, fried chicken shacks, sandwich shops TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #152

Those are practices or types of companies 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #159

Free speech exist specifically to protect opinions we loathe Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #144

100% Right cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #145

+1 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #157

I agree with the ACLU. Democrats stand for free speech n/t SylviaD Jul 2012 #161

agreed, and when it comes to boycott, has anybody ever really found one of those places ? may3rd Jul 2012 #162

That looks photoshopped 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #170

I hate it when I'm wrong. Bucky Aug 2012 #171

They, He, can say whatever the fuck he wants... and-justice-for-all Aug 2012 #172

I think the cities should let the chick fil a restaurants set up shop there and fail. alp227 Aug 2012 #174

Well what about our new Du members goclark Aug 2012 #178

Municipalities have the right to zone any way they like. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #181

So even if a company meets every legal requirement hack89 Aug 2012 #182

Thank you. A voice of reason Downtown Hound Aug 2012 #183

Not true. Overly restrictive zoning measures, COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #195

Zoning to exclude one specific business as opposed to all similar businesses would be begging... slackmaster Aug 2012 #204

What if a company meets all the requirements of the zoning laws? hack89 Aug 2012 #209

Deny them a permit, saying that they are a threat to land values. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #210

So make shit up and hope you don't lose in court? hack89 Aug 2012 #211

Change the view..... dtom67 Aug 2012 #205