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In reply to the discussion: Occupy Wall Street just reoccupied Zucotti Park! [View all]Speed8098
(1,655 posts)93. Reality? I'm there and you're welcome to visit.
It sure doesn't seem to me like they're "losing the debate".
Then you haven't been paying attention
Continuing to smile and play nice while you're being attacked is a guaranteed way to lose, as the Dems have proven without a doubt over the last 20 years.
Really? So......then.........I take it you think President Obama is a Republican? Obama received 53 percent of the popular vote to 46 percent for his conservative opponent John McCain, and he carried the electoral vote by an even more substantial 365-to-173 margin.
And the passage of the "Detention Without Trial Act" offsets that nicely.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/12/defense-bill-passed-so-what-does-it-do-ndaa
(snip)So what exactly does the bill do? It says that the president has to hold a foreign Al Qaeda suspect captured on US soil in military detentionexcept it leaves enough procedural loopholes that someone like convicted underwear bomber and Nigerian citizen Umar Abdulmutallab could actually go from capture to trial without ever being held by the military. It does not, contrary to what many media outlets have reported, authorize the president to indefinitely detain without trial an American citizen suspected of terrorism who is captured in the US. A last minute compromise amendment adopted in the Senate, whose language was retained in the final bill, leaves it up to the courts to decide if the president has that power, should a future president try to exercise it. But if a future president does try to assert the authority to detain an American citizen without charge or trial, it won't be based on the authority in this bill.
So it's simply not true, as the Guardian wrote yesterday, that the the bill "allows the military to indefinitely detain without trial American terrorism suspects arrested on US soil who could then be shipped to Guantánamo Bay." When the New York Times editorial page writes that the bill would "strip the F.B.I., federal prosecutors and federal courts of all or most of their power to arrest and prosecute terrorists and hand it off to the military," or that the "legislation could also give future presidents the authority to throw American citizens into prison for life without charges or a trial," they're simply wrong.
The language in the bill that relates to the detention authority as far as US citizens and permanent residents are concerned is, "Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States."
You should know what you are talking about before you speak. A quote I've always shared with uninformed people such as yourself sums it up pretty nicely.
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
If you want to go against the Democratic party this election cycle, be my guest. Just know, you will be on the losing end of the spectrum.
Then you haven't been paying attention
Continuing to smile and play nice while you're being attacked is a guaranteed way to lose, as the Dems have proven without a doubt over the last 20 years.
Really? So......then.........I take it you think President Obama is a Republican? Obama received 53 percent of the popular vote to 46 percent for his conservative opponent John McCain, and he carried the electoral vote by an even more substantial 365-to-173 margin.
And the passage of the "Detention Without Trial Act" offsets that nicely.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/12/defense-bill-passed-so-what-does-it-do-ndaa
(snip)So what exactly does the bill do? It says that the president has to hold a foreign Al Qaeda suspect captured on US soil in military detentionexcept it leaves enough procedural loopholes that someone like convicted underwear bomber and Nigerian citizen Umar Abdulmutallab could actually go from capture to trial without ever being held by the military. It does not, contrary to what many media outlets have reported, authorize the president to indefinitely detain without trial an American citizen suspected of terrorism who is captured in the US. A last minute compromise amendment adopted in the Senate, whose language was retained in the final bill, leaves it up to the courts to decide if the president has that power, should a future president try to exercise it. But if a future president does try to assert the authority to detain an American citizen without charge or trial, it won't be based on the authority in this bill.
So it's simply not true, as the Guardian wrote yesterday, that the the bill "allows the military to indefinitely detain without trial American terrorism suspects arrested on US soil who could then be shipped to Guantánamo Bay." When the New York Times editorial page writes that the bill would "strip the F.B.I., federal prosecutors and federal courts of all or most of their power to arrest and prosecute terrorists and hand it off to the military," or that the "legislation could also give future presidents the authority to throw American citizens into prison for life without charges or a trial," they're simply wrong.
The language in the bill that relates to the detention authority as far as US citizens and permanent residents are concerned is, "Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States."
You should know what you are talking about before you speak. A quote I've always shared with uninformed people such as yourself sums it up pretty nicely.
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
If you want to go against the Democratic party this election cycle, be my guest. Just know, you will be on the losing end of the spectrum.
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"A police commander announced through a megaphone that the park, which is normally open 24 hours
midnight
Jan 2012
#127
Oh gosh, I just saw the post made after this one first. About all hell breaking loose.
freshwest
Jan 2012
#4
Timcast showing what looks like an electronic board down the street with an upraised fist on it...
freshwest
Jan 2012
#13
Sure they are. Absolutely! That said, 2011 and 2012 are turning out to be years when
tavalon
Jan 2012
#28
Will they help take the country back from the fascists in this year's elections?
Doctor_J
Jan 2012
#46
It made a difference to the union workers who lost 2 days wages not much else
Synicus Maximus
Jan 2012
#77
They have changed the dialog in our country. People are now talking about the income inequality
peacebird
Jan 2012
#31
Problem is that if you want to look at THE MEDIA, as in the ELITE MEDIA
nadinbrzezinski
Jan 2012
#83
This thread was originally about the New Year's Eve re-invasion of Zuccotti Park.
randome
Jan 2012
#95
Most of these groups support each other. WI is not alone in people taking legislative action.
freshwest
Jan 2012
#61
Yeah, but they started off basically sitting in in the State Capital and people jeered at them then
lunatica
Jan 2012
#96
I support the goals of OWS. I think less of their tactics. Sorry I can't pass your purity test. nt
hack89
Jan 2012
#112
So it is anti-liberal to voice any criticism of OWS? Can I still be a Democrat? nt
hack89
Jan 2012
#122
Police surrounding and arresting people now - lawyer just arrested for not putting his phone away!
RueVoltaire
Jan 2012
#70
didn't ask you to trust me.... why would anyone here take you seriously?
fascisthunter
Jan 2012
#116