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51. I didn't say removing the hat wasn't wrong. I said it wasn't assault.

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Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:09 AM

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Student in pro-Trump hat sets off taunting, dialogue at South Portland High [View all] jpak Apr 2016 OP

The right to your own political opinion also includes the right for others opinions. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #1

It seems to me Stryst Apr 2016 #88

What legal action? mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #96

I meant that his action was legal Stryst Apr 2016 #97

Oh, now I get it. Thanks. NT mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #98

No problem Stryst Apr 2016 #105

Great post. Very enjoyable. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2016 #117

The school allows all political speech by students? Democat Apr 2016 #2

Tinker V. Des Moine - Freedom of speech does not stop at the school house door. Hoppy Apr 2016 #7

Most schools in Oregon don't allow shirts or hats with slogans bhikkhu Apr 2016 #24

Portland, Maine (not Oregon) nt magical thyme Apr 2016 #28

And yet another example of why putting the STATE in the headline is important. kentauros Apr 2016 #35

I agree. I took one look at the OP and immediately scanned to find the post magical thyme Apr 2016 #38

I think the next time I see a story for that other Montgomery County, kentauros Apr 2016 #44

LBN rules. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #43

So the LBN rule already exists? kentauros Apr 2016 #46

Yeah. It's really annoying. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #50

I've noticed that too. kentauros Apr 2016 #52

Look for the rule when you try to do a post in LBN jpak Apr 2016 #57

I've never posted anything to LBN. kentauros Apr 2016 #71

I try to go with a local newspaper. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #76

Great idea jpak Apr 2016 #86

I blame the website more. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #93

I should have checked, but a quick read getting ready for work bhikkhu Apr 2016 #108

Freedom of speech cuts both ways, moran. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2016 #3

freedom of speech does not equate to grabbing his hat and throwing it in the trash magical thyme Apr 2016 #29

on that, we agree. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2016 #31

I don't think this little troll understands the concept of the 1st amendment. Javaman Apr 2016 #4

1st Amendment? brucefan Apr 2016 #5

derp LOL I'll fix. nt Javaman Apr 2016 #6

So, he doesn't think adults have a right to their political opinions, but he does? sinkingfeeling Apr 2016 #8

I, for one, am shocked. MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #9

I applaud the kid for standing up and exercising the rights guaranteed him by the First Amendment. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #10

He has rights, but they end at terminating others rights becasue they hurt his feelings. Gore1FL Apr 2016 #12

They're free to comment all they want. What they're doing is going after him physically. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #13

They get to tell the kid he's wrong. Gore1FL Apr 2016 #45

I think he was complaining about the physical attempts, which were not confined to students. Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #112

Who said he was the same? nt Gore1FL Apr 2016 #114

People in this thread, saying that schools didn't have to tolerate Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #116

You're lying to try to make a point Tempest Apr 2016 #16

Read again: mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #18

Picking a hat off of someone's head is in no way a form of assault. FSogol Apr 2016 #20

IANAL. That said: mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #21

Believe it or not, a hat is not part of a person. You can pick a hat up without touching a person. FSogol Apr 2016 #22

This was not a case of someone's "picking up" a hat. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #23

The douche is learning the effects of free speech. Just because you have the right FSogol Apr 2016 #25

If that turns out to be the school administration's legal defense, mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #30

Sure. The courts have always sided with school systems restrictions of the 1st amendment FSogol Apr 2016 #32

The ACLU's mileage may vary on what the meaning of "disruptive" is. NT mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #34

They didn't in tinker. N/t beevul Apr 2016 #107

That's pretty ignorant. revbones Apr 2016 #26

Completely different. FSogol Apr 2016 #27

Why don't you go up to a police officer and remove his hat. See what he thinks about it. nt revbones Apr 2016 #41

Yes, the facepalm proves your point. rofl revbones Apr 2016 #63

There's always someone who takes it to an illogical conclusion Tempest Apr 2016 #37

How so? revbones Apr 2016 #40

Yup, His latest example (hassling an on-duty police officer) is just as ludicrous. FSogol Apr 2016 #42

An absurd consistency is often a hobgoblin of little minds LanternWaste Apr 2016 #60

Yeah, cuz using the definition of assault and proving you wrong is absurd. revbones Apr 2016 #64

I'm sure the police are converging on playgrounds all around America right now to prosecute the FSogol Apr 2016 #68

Doesn't change the definition does it? revbones Apr 2016 #70

I remember whole little league games where dozens of hats were knocked off in gleeful disregard FSogol Apr 2016 #73

Test your theory then and prove your comments. revbones Apr 2016 #74

Keep your hands to yourself... TipTok Apr 2016 #48

I didn't say removing the hat wasn't wrong. I said it wasn't assault. FSogol Apr 2016 #51

It's been clearly proven that it is... TipTok Apr 2016 #54

You're conflating evidence and proof. How rational... LanternWaste Apr 2016 #62

Are you suggesting that if I knocked your hat off your head... TipTok Apr 2016 #67

Why not stick to the definition of assault then? revbones Apr 2016 #65

Do it to a cop and see what happens. N/T beevul Apr 2016 #106

Telling a kid he's an idiot for wearing that hat is not "physically" going after him. MADem Apr 2016 #89

Please take another look at the article. Things went beyond "telling." mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #92

What, the lifting of the hat? If you're going to call that getting physical, that is a bridge too MADem Apr 2016 #95

The courts have consistently interpreted the constitution to limit those rights in minors bhikkhu Apr 2016 #109

"Disruption" appears to be educators' greatest classroom fear. MrModerate Apr 2016 #11

"... a Trump hat is inherently disruptive." mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #15

He says in so many words he's doing it to be disruptive. n/t Tempest Apr 2016 #17

"... in so many words...." mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #19

He specifically says he knew he would be picked on. Tempest Apr 2016 #33

Great. So when a gay student comes out in school, knowing that he's going to be picked on, mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #39

The kid wore it to be disruptive. Gore1FL Apr 2016 #47

The school administration, apparently . . . MrModerate Apr 2016 #110

So lets flip the script philosslayer Apr 2016 #69

Trump 2016 is so totally different in character . . . MrModerate Apr 2016 #111

What the teacher said was comedy gold! Blandocyte Apr 2016 #14

In your mind, would it be comedy platinum if a teacher said that to an undocumented Akicita Apr 2016 #66

It depends on the delivery and the timing Blandocyte Apr 2016 #85

Good answer. Akicita Apr 2016 #115

Reverse the message on the hat and place this teenager in a deeply conservative classroom tymorial Apr 2016 #36

I'd be annoyed that the kid was making my candidate look bad by being disruptive. Gore1FL Apr 2016 #49

Really? If an AA student wore an Obama hat in a conservative school district that would annoy you Akicita Apr 2016 #59

If he did it to disrupt, yes. Gore1FL Apr 2016 #75

That was a little hyperbolic. Akicita Apr 2016 #77

Yeah. When you compared a kid with a hat to Rosa Parks I had to stifle a belly laugh Gore1FL Apr 2016 #79

My only comparison was that both were disruptive and both stood up for their beliefs despite Akicita Apr 2016 #82

Backpfeifengesicht Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #53

Noun (rather colloquial) a face in need of a slap mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #72

Students engaging in political debate by expressing support/opposition to candidates is a good thing Akicita Apr 2016 #55

If the make believe straw man girl came to disrupt her hat, she should be forced to remove her hat. Gore1FL Apr 2016 #78

Far from disruptive, political debate in high school is a good thing. It educates students on the Akicita Apr 2016 #94

That wasn't a debate it was a distraction. Gore1FL Apr 2016 #99

Is that the free speech zone? NT mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #101

Minors don't have free speech. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2016 #102

What about an eighteen-year-old senior? Would he be able to wear the hat outside civics class? NT mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2016 #103

FFS. Not in school. Schools have rules . Rules your imaginary student chose to follow at 18. Gore1FL Apr 2016 #104

Agree with everything you said. romanic Apr 2016 #87

I think political debate in high school is good for students if it is done in a respectful manner. Akicita Apr 2016 #90

It's a necessity, isn't it? How does one even deal with American history without getting political? Yo_Mama Apr 2016 #113

“Thank God you can’t vote,” surfer2009 Apr 2016 #56

Would it be appropriate for a teacher to say that to an undocumented immigrant student who expressed Akicita Apr 2016 #58

You won't get a response philosslayer Apr 2016 #61

I for one am glad young teens can't vote. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2016 #80

So he has this right but no one else does? jwirr Apr 2016 #81

As far as I know any student at that school can wear a hat supporting their candidate of choice. Akicita Apr 2016 #83

There are many forms of freedom of speech. Remember that jwirr Apr 2016 #84

Debate and disagreeing - Yes, Taunting - No Akicita Apr 2016 #91

"Equality" lark Apr 2016 #100