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167. The importance of IOWA was mostly about the state being

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 04:44 PM

Feb 2016

the 2nd whitest state in the union. The idea was to see how Bernie did among the whites. The minorities have apparently been hoodwinked by Hillary. They actually are believing Obama care is better than single payer, even though the vast majority can't afford the deductible and Obama Care doesn't cover many people. When I was unemployed 2 years ago, I didn't qualify for it and couldn't afford to pay even 1 month of if while I was on unemployment. The deductible was something I would have had to sell my car to pay and I don't think that would have paid it.

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Bernie Sanders just melted away a 30-point Hillary Clinton lead in a new poll [View all] Bubzer Feb 2016 OP

The polls will always tighten up as more people pay attention-- TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #1

Bernie is a beast... the revolution has started. Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #12

nope ain't dope roguevalley Feb 2016 #24

I love Elizabeth Warren, as a Massacusetts born woman........... mrmpa Feb 2016 #98

Look, I liked O'malley. But lets not forget he also had super pacs. trillion Feb 2016 #160

Something we of a certain generation learned from the assassination of JFK is that the vice JDPriestly Feb 2016 #166

Excellent point and just common sense these days nikto Feb 2016 #193

Do you mean HubertHeaver Feb 2016 #199

Someone who scares the kinds of people who are prone to assassinations. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #213

well he might get him only if to appease certain delegates PatrynXX Feb 2016 #184

Elizabeth is far more valuable as Bernie's VP, both in terms of helpin him gettimg elected and serving her country... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #215

She would be 75 in 2024. former9thward Feb 2016 #218

75 is the new, uh, 65. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #221

That's more than a tightening, that's a landslide shift! reformist2 Feb 2016 #79

This is why Clinton so desperately needs the narrative that she won Iowa. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #2

Well, she did. But Bernie had a genius moment when he said "virtual tie". And that is what people thereismore Feb 2016 #5

Bernie, the honest politician. Hillary on the other hand... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #14

B & E FTW Yeager29 Feb 2016 #196

You know it! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #214

Even during last night's debate ejbr Feb 2016 #19

He supported the recount as an accountability/process issue and HRC had to go along bigbrother05 Feb 2016 #120

It was. Showed he isnt a whiner 7962 Feb 2016 #121

? You do realize it was won by less than 1/2 a percent so they split the delegates and Hillary only trillion Feb 2016 #161

Of course. But I think she got 2 more, 23-21, no? thereismore Feb 2016 #169

It's also why some have been pushing the notion that New Hampshire is a fringe liberal state... Bubzer Feb 2016 #7

Even though as recently as 2000 and 2004, it was on the list of swing states karynnj Feb 2016 #62

Here's one.. Bubzer Feb 2016 #85

Even here at DU, it's been called lily-white Beartracks Feb 2016 #136

The importance of IOWA was mostly about the state being trillion Feb 2016 #167

Never understood it. Iowa has only picked the eventual pres. 3 times in 35 yrs 7962 Feb 2016 #210

True. But there may be more to it when studying demographic. trillion Feb 2016 #220

At one point, RW churches were moving people into NH to turn it red. merrily Feb 2016 #226

But she didn't, we'll find out in the end. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #30

There is definitely a stench surrounding the vote count. I suggest that we adopt color coded ink CentralMass Feb 2016 #87

Hooray !!!!! SamKnause Feb 2016 #3

All those blasts! Plucketeer Feb 2016 #45

Movement towards Bernie means MOMENTUM nationally. That is huge and with all of Hillary's perceived Akicita Feb 2016 #76

Page not found eom Maeve Feb 2016 #4

Link fixed! thanks! Bubzer Feb 2016 #10

Awesome! ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #6

Seriously... plenty of room left on the Bernie bandwagon! All aboard!... woot woot!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #40

Fix your first link to this please pinebox Feb 2016 #8

Just fixed it. Thanks! Bubzer Feb 2016 #11

Anytime! pinebox Feb 2016 #13

There's more than one way to "win" in Iowa. bluedigger Feb 2016 #9

That should be on a Bernie T-shirt Android3.14 Feb 2016 #32

+10,000 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #92

The whole "win" thing Beartracks Feb 2016 #180

And you don't win a state, that is meaningless, you win delegates. Clinton was awarded 2 delegates rhett o rick Feb 2016 #190

Right. Beartracks Feb 2016 #225

This has to be a crushing blow to Hillary and her courtyard. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #15

Sorry, but no. The majority called were called on cell phones and 70% White. Breakdown: BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #31

Wow. I knew something had to be off with that poll. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #59

They ignore these variables at their peril. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #72

% of Whites and Cell phones were not far off Jarqui Feb 2016 #60

Apples to oranges. At issue is a TELEPHONE POLL. People say whatever. The breakdown you've BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #82

Nonsense Jarqui Feb 2016 #90

Polls only count when they break Hillary's way. Everybody knows this. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #93

Oh geez. When people vote, Exit pollsters SEE them, and voters are proud of how they voted. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #95

That is the demographic distribution for the GE. hack89 Feb 2016 #94

Don't make the mistake (like Hillary is obviously doing) nyabingi Feb 2016 #70

Exactly! POC have no blind allegiance to Clinton. Neither do women. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #96

Polls showing Bernie doing well are wrong! left-of-center2012 Feb 2016 #74

If that's your argument, so be it. It's not mine. Facts are facts. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #78

What facts that you presented explain the 29% drop or that Jarqui Feb 2016 #83

Yes they are, and the fact is, Bernie is nipping at Hillary's heels. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #97

But in the end, he will LOSE. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #99

We all lose if Hillary wins the nomination. Prepare yourself. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #107

Hogwash. I was told the same thing about Obama. How did that work out? BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #112

No, you weren't. Many Bernie supporters also supported Obama no matter how you try to spin it. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #114

O...kay. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #139

I think you missed the entire point of this OP. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #140

This is what I fear as well trc Feb 2016 #133

I can't believe i hadn't done this already! StandingInLeftField Feb 2016 #134

This person isn't debating. This person's mind is completely made up and complete inflexible. trillion Feb 2016 #174

Bwaaaahahahaha! Project much, trillion? BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #202

No, actually I don't. I make it a point to keep checking Bernie on stuff. trillion Feb 2016 #205

Ask the dead children of Iraq and Afghanistan and the dead men who died from water boarding in trillion Feb 2016 #173

Can you please provide your Psychic credentials? Past record of correct psychic predictions? cui bono Feb 2016 #137

Monmouth poll from January 19, 2016. Don't need to be a psychic to read, cui. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #150

To paraphrase someone, "You ignore these variables at your peril." Gore1FL Feb 2016 #100

Yah, but when I said it, it's true. Unless you Berners can provide to me a poll BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #101

And ignore likely voters and census data! Gore1FL Feb 2016 #102

Polls schmolls. Unless it's exit polling, I'll keep my powder dry and I suggest you do the same. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #105

That's quite a different argument than you started with. n/t Gore1FL Feb 2016 #143

Is it really? BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #149

Yes. Very. Gore1FL Feb 2016 #172

squid wrestling Fairgo Feb 2016 #175

Unless you can prove that Hillary can actually get the POC she does manage to retain Live and Learn Feb 2016 #108

I don't think he was saying that was his argument. trillion Feb 2016 #171

The racial breakdown is nearly the same as the country, so it shouldnt be a factor 7962 Feb 2016 #122

Comparing phone polls to EXIT polls is where the problem lies here. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #125

But exit polls are done on voting day. Phone polls are all we've got right now. 7962 Feb 2016 #128

A single poll result does not the truth make. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #131

Are you trying to imply older people don't have cell phones? gyroscope Feb 2016 #127

No. That's a ridiculous assumption for YOU to make. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #147

Then why are you complaining about cell phones? gyroscope Feb 2016 #212

I wasn't complaining. That's what you make of it. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #219

The minority vote? Good luck with that. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #144

She's gone from 61% to 71% since last month. But thanks for your concern. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #148

Wow, and if you're for everything she says she's for right now, you should be very upset about that. trillion Feb 2016 #179

Do you know anyone who answers their landline? nt mhatrw Feb 2016 #158

No. And why should that matter? What does that have to do with my post? eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #159

That's not how the primary works yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #33

I see a March SWEEPS for Hillary Clinton when she sweeps all the delegates BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #42

I do too yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #46

A better nominee and a once in a lifetime president - UE is now at 4.9%! Lowest since FDR! BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #48

True! A wonderful president yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #52

Exactly! And it pisses the pro-GOP media to no end that she hasn't run BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #55

100 percent true. November will be very good for the Democratic Party. Yeah! yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #57

All is sunshine and roses. Or is it? Why are so many stilll unhappy? Live and Learn Feb 2016 #106

... BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #130

... Live and Learn Feb 2016 #132

Are you saying what that poster says ISN'T true? trillion Feb 2016 #181

Huh? Where did you get your numbers from? 7962 Feb 2016 #123

You assumed correctly. Unemployment rate at 4.9%, BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #152

Then you WERE wrong. You said "lowest since FDR". It was lower under Clinton & W. 7962 Feb 2016 #191

I'm happy I made your day. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #192

Hey, I'm always happy to help straighten things out! 7962 Feb 2016 #200

I wouldn't go that far, but if it helps make you're night, run with it. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #201

I blame my mom, she always wanted me to be accurate 7962 Feb 2016 #208

Hillary's campaign Plucketeer Feb 2016 #49

... BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #50

"I see..." "I see..." Well - SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #51

Sorry. My crystal ball is in the shop for repairs. But my eyesight is just fine! BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #53

Tired of hearing this line arlington.mass Feb 2016 #58

I'll tell you...nothing nyabingi Feb 2016 #75

+ a gazillion. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #110

What about her policy positions and record resonate well with minorities? AlbertCat Feb 2016 #77

I bet you are. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #89

ROFL Do we need to rehash the list of Hillary's vile quotes about Obama? Really? Live and Learn Feb 2016 #111

ROFL Do we need to rehash all the vile votes Sanders cast that minorities believe are unforgiveable? BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #119

Perhaps you need to reread your post because that is what you said. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #126

I know what I wrote. Don't need to reread, but you clearly do. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #135

True, Bernie voted for a CLINTON bill and he does regret that. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #138

Yeah, hindsight being 20/20 and all. I hope you'll accept Hillary's apology for the 2002 vote BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #146

You failed to mention that Bernie aso gained minority votes in that poll which you never disclosed Live and Learn Feb 2016 #155

So? Is it at least close enough for him to overcome her advantage? Nope. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #157

"None of those are exit polls. I'll keep my powder dry and wait for those." mhatrw Feb 2016 #162

Taking remarks out of context to fit your anti-Hillary narrative BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #164

I feel that there is a subtle form of racism at play with the claim arlington.mass Feb 2016 #182

it needed thawing out. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #16

My street fighting man is doing just fine. K&R for the win. Travel to NH these next few days if you Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #17

Every minute of every day...Americans learn about Bernie's common sense and SoapBox Feb 2016 #18

Do we really want a repeat of McGovern 1972? Paladin Feb 2016 #20

While you're at it, ejbr Feb 2016 #22

you should ask for the lotto numbers from 1972 Kalidurga Feb 2016 #39

Why so little for Hillary? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #26

Sorry, I'm not buying your bridge to nowhere. Bubzer Feb 2016 #28

For some reason, you fail to mention Gore 2000 and Kerry 2004. Zorra Feb 2016 #34

Yeah, it was 44 years ago. And it's still painful to recall. Paladin Feb 2016 #64

This bullshit meme that by nominating Bernie we are ALLOWING a Republican to take the White House Maedhros Feb 2016 #81

Consider her qualifications ----- Plucketeer Feb 2016 #54

c'mon, is this even a serious post?! fbc Feb 2016 #66

So you're questioning if my post is serious, because I'm 65 years old and I have a good memory? Paladin Feb 2016 #91

No I'm questioning it because fbc Feb 2016 #145

And yet there was Chris Chris Christie on MSNBC just yesterday..... Paladin Feb 2016 #227

Tired, stale argument. frylock Feb 2016 #68

You're right, they would love to run against Hillary Lordquinton Feb 2016 #73

They have 25 years of oppo research on HRH hifiguy Feb 2016 #104

You saw that movie 44 years ago. mhatrw Feb 2016 #163

You don't do arrogance very well. Paladin Feb 2016 #228

It is not 1972 and Sanders is not McGovern. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #188

You think Clinton would do that badly? JackRiddler Feb 2016 #224

The Inevitable Clintanic has been hifiguy Feb 2016 #21

Time to start bailing! Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #47

That happened at the first debate last fall. HubertHeaver Feb 2016 #203

Coming soon. . . hifiguy Feb 2016 #204

I think a single follow-up question last night would HubertHeaver Feb 2016 #211

OUTLIER ericson00 Feb 2016 #23

Unless it shows Clinton with a commanding lead. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #25

Clinton 61, Sanders 30, was an anti-Clinton skew? Iggo Feb 2016 #61

yes, you're right fbc Feb 2016 #69

That is great news! Vote Bernie2016. /nt NCjack Feb 2016 #27

"A wild swing" = outlier. NO WAY do I believe this poll is anything but an outlier, and Bernie BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #29

"This doesn't support my premise so it's wrong" ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #37

No. It's based on all polls showing Bernie can't make minority voters "feel the Bern". BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #38

That was yesterdays premise. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #41

All right. Don't say you weren't warned. BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #44

You really should start hitting the streets for Hillary because Live and Learn Feb 2016 #115

I have and do. So stop assuming (which you do a LOT, btw). BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #124

Funny, I have yet to see any Hillary supporters on the streets. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #129

They did not say wrong, they said outlier. fbc Feb 2016 #71

Excellent! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #35

Good. Night. Now. frylock Feb 2016 #36

Bernie!! AzDar Feb 2016 #43

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #56

Wow! It's happening even faster that I expected! fbc Feb 2016 #63

Time to take this out of the mothballs rocktivity Feb 2016 #65

Considering who the Dems are up against, I think you should send that to the other side to use. trillion Feb 2016 #206

cautiously optimistic restorefreedom Feb 2016 #67

LBN (might be safe to post here) If both campaigns and ESPECIALLY their SUPPORTERS randys1 Feb 2016 #80

Exactly - but the further Bernie pulls ahead, the happier I am. GoneOffShore Feb 2016 #84

I wonder if there was a change in their methodology? blackspade Feb 2016 #86

No wonder they wanted to bury the debates on the weekends. Matariki Feb 2016 #88

Of little consequence. No Democratic Party candidate can win without a sizeable segment of the Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #103

On the other hand, Oregon is pretty lily white and in 2008 Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #116

Of course. IA the same. Lily white. But Bernie is not connecting with black people like Obama did. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #118

GW won twice. I didn't know he had the black vote. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #195

PLEASE READ!!! No ***DEMOCRATIC PARTY CANDIDATE*** can win the primary without Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #197

I don't agree. Thanks for playing. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #198

Of course the lead MELTED away: it felt the BERN! forest444 Feb 2016 #109

Celebrating? itcfish Feb 2016 #113

Bull crap. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #117

The Clinton campaign talking point that says we have to nominate her because she is the only one who totodeinhere Feb 2016 #141

who does better in the general: from the poll scipan Feb 2016 #151

But, but, but, the talking heads all told me he was unelectable!!!! mhatrw Feb 2016 #165

A flat out statistical tie. n/t totodeinhere Feb 2016 #142

The more exposure his message gets, the more people like him. PeteSelman Feb 2016 #153

K&R CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #154

Here is my prediction. Bernie will win New Hampshire big, then go on to narrowly lose totodeinhere Feb 2016 #156

Saw this coming lovuian Feb 2016 #168

Wait just a minute here! SheilaT Feb 2016 #170

And another kick! nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #176

I'm part of that poll Yeager29 Feb 2016 #177

hahahah. Lately she's been trying to BE Bernie - in what she says she supports anyway. trillion Feb 2016 #183

4700 Views, wow. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #178

So, does this mean that polls aren't corporate paid for propaganda? Amimnoch Feb 2016 #185

nice to see some maturity scipan Feb 2016 #194

Now the fun begins! Fearless Feb 2016 #186

The coronation has been postponed until further notice! Odin2005 Feb 2016 #187

LOL! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #217

GO BERNIE! warrprayer Feb 2016 #189

Love it, just love it, still a long race tho and I'm going to do what I can to swing it more Gorgatron Feb 2016 #207

PPP shows 21 pt Clinton lead youceyec Feb 2016 #209

Who cares which makes more sense? JackRiddler Feb 2016 #222

Too short a timeline: more like a 60 point lead. truebluegreen Feb 2016 #216

Holy smokes. I feel the power surge. avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #223