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H2O Man

(73,558 posts)
Sat Dec 16, 2017, 12:03 AM Dec 2017

The Gathering Storm [View all]

“Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest do not happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.”
Herodotus


On Thursday evening (December 14), the internet had a buzz about Team Mueller being prepared to file indictments on Friday morning. A curious guessing game took place: would it be Jared? Or perhaps Donald Junior? Such speculation was even found on DU:GD. And, not surprisingly, the morning passed without incident.

This raises the question of how and why this type of thing happens. The first factor, of course, is that many people recognize that Trump & Co. conspired and coordinated with Russian intelligence (and organized crime) to steal the 2016 election, and want these criminals held responsible. Mr. Mueller first indicted two members of the Trump campaign, and secured a guilty plea from a third. Then, Mr. Mueller flipped General Flynn. Thus, the increasing fury of the right wing republican attempt to derail the investigations – including in the House and Senate, as well as Mr. Mueller's.

Malcolm X used to say he knew he was right when his opposition squawked the loudest. Common sense suggests that the White House and their rabid supporters are aware that the Mueller investigation is getting very close to Trump and his closest associates. A good person could reasonably conclude the volume of their noise is because they believe more indictments are being prepared.

However, an informed person would remember that there was no warning before the first two indictments and the guilty plea were filed. Mr. Mueller does not leak to journalists. The information regarding General Flynn reported before he pleaded guilty came from Flynn's legal team. This is important, as Mr. Mueller had requested that no information be made public, before his team was able to verify literally every claim Flynn made, and every document he had produced.

From that time until now, Mr. Mueller's team has been interviewing people such as Hope Hicks, who had to decide if she should confirm what Flynn said about various campaign and White House meetings, or try to outsmart Mr. Mueller. She is not the only other witness the investigators have interviewed. And one can only speculate who, if anyone, has recently testified in front of the grand jury.

In the coming weeks, Mr. Mueller's team will request interviews with other people close to Trump. And Mr. Mueller will present more witnesses to the grand jury. It is likely that at least four of these will invoke their 5th amendment right to not answer questions. But it is equally likely that at least two others will spill their guts. And it is certain that Mr. Mueller's team, having already had some contact with the legal representatives of all seven, are fully aware what each will do. But their lawyers are not going to leak anything that Mr. Mueller has requested they remain silent about.

It is possible – even likely – that there may be some fascinating leaks from members of the intelligence community in the upcoming weeks. There is a system that was set up for this long ago, as everyone who has paid attention since the early 1970s knows. And this system is capable of putting groups and individuals outside of the White House in check.

And so now we come to those who started or spread rumors about a new indictment. The majority are probably good people, who sincerely want to see the Trump administration removed from power, and incarcerated. Younger people in particular might be prone to wanting things wrapped up immediately (compared to older folks who remember Watergate and Iran-contra).

Still others might be internet journalists who got ahead of themselves with their predictions. They know that there is a storm brewing, and can be forgiven for thinking that today would bring fireworks. But keep in mind that none of the corporate journalists had predicted anything for today.

Finally, be aware that there are rat-fuckers, intent upon creating confusion and worse. This includes those who purposely spread false rumors on the internet, because they know it can be like a penal institution, where any rumor twice repeated is accepted as fact. Their purpose can include getting good people's hopes up, thus causing disappointment with Mr. Mueller when the anticipated indictment fails to be filed.

Lastly, I should again recommend that people listen closely to Malcolm Nance. Recently, he said he expects things to unfold by March. (This is not unlike when, in a recent OP, I said that the DU community will find February to be a rewarding month.) There may be good things happening between now and then, too. For Mr. Mueller is a conscientious historian and prosecutor,

Peace,
H2O Man

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The Gathering Storm [View all] H2O Man Dec 2017 OP
Just hope that March is no too late. dhol82 Dec 2017 #1
This illuminates the drastic difference between Watergate and now... regnaD kciN Dec 2017 #14
Exactly. dhol82 Dec 2017 #18
Right. H2O Man Dec 2017 #19
Wise words! Iahotdog Dec 2017 #2
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2017 #20
My question is whether the country can stay together that long... pbmus Dec 2017 #3
Except, our country's not going anywhere. We WILL live with Hortensis Dec 2017 #21
Valid question. H2O Man Dec 2017 #22
The investigation will not be allowed to continue for much longer. AJT Dec 2017 #4
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Dec 2017 #23
He can just say he fires mueller drray23 Dec 2017 #53
No, he can't. H2O Man Dec 2017 #54
Im not sure you pay attention to how Trump behaves. drray23 Dec 2017 #55
One of my favorite H2O Man Dec 2017 #57
Hear hear! coeur_de_lion Dec 2017 #67
It may be nearing time to reconvene the Hartford Convention of 1814. roamer65 Dec 2017 #5
It may be...... H2O Man Dec 2017 #28
From your lips if not before. babylonsister Dec 2017 #6
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2017 #29
Whoa! babylonsister Dec 2017 #40
While I do not H2O Man Dec 2017 #52
So Hekate Dec 2017 #7
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2017 #30
Hubby and I are back in our house; but the fire spread to the next county and our kids ... Hekate Dec 2017 #65
Beware the Ides of March James48 Dec 2017 #8
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2017 #31
That Would A Great Anniversary Present ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #42
Outstanding post! orangecrush Dec 2017 #9
Thanks, orangecrush! H2O Man Dec 2017 #32
Rumors rumors coeur_de_lion Dec 2017 #10
"Rumors" H2O Man Dec 2017 #33
Correct me if I'm wrong but... SHRED Dec 2017 #11
If a person H2O Man Dec 2017 #34
My dear H20 Man, your thinking is so clear and unambiguous... CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2017 #12
Well, thank you! H2O Man Dec 2017 #35
+1! 2naSalit Dec 2017 #64
Excellent piece! burrowowl Dec 2017 #13
Thanks, Buddy! H2O Man Dec 2017 #36
K&R... spanone Dec 2017 #15
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2017 #37
Thanks! kentuck Dec 2017 #16
Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2017 #38
It is puzzling to me how they seem unable to distinguish between fact and fiction. kentuck Dec 2017 #41
Yes, you are correct. H2O Man Dec 2017 #43
THIS HAB911 Dec 2017 #17
Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2017 #44
Thanks for a sensible summary, H2O. Hortensis Dec 2017 #24
Thank you, Hortensis H2O Man Dec 2017 #45
The flames of rumor were apparently fanned by a malignant outbreak of Russian bot-ulism. nt The_jackalope Dec 2017 #25
Ha! H2O Man Dec 2017 #47
I haven't been here in some time, but I wanted to log in to say thank you. myrna minx Dec 2017 #26
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2017 #48
Love the way you take the crazy and put its feet back on the ground.. . .n/t annabanana Dec 2017 #27
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2017 #49
We were warned a few months ago, there would be false "leaks" and fake news galore FakeNoose Dec 2017 #39
Thanks, FakeNoose! H2O Man Dec 2017 #50
I hear you! FakeNoose Dec 2017 #66
Wasaway for a few days malaise Dec 2017 #46
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2017 #51
Your Sir are a reason DU is such a great place sellitman Dec 2017 #56
Thank you H2O Man Dec 2017 #58
i guess i missed the hub bub about the possible 12-14-17 indictments... samnsara Dec 2017 #59
Both are H2O Man Dec 2017 #60
I am very wary ever since Fitzmas. I remember it, not for those involved, but for the CTyankee Dec 2017 #61
Right. H2O Man Dec 2017 #62
Comforting Me. Dec 2017 #63
Thank you H20 Man. lucca18 Dec 2017 #68
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