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38. and a little context to boot

Reply to LarryNM (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 05:55 PM

Sep 2017

Hillary is talking about her loss....bernie is talking about single payer

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Bernie Sanders' Bill Gets America Zero Percent Closer to Single Payer [View all] brooklynite Sep 2017 OP

"by accident" my ass leftstreet Sep 2017 #1

Don't know what you're talking about. onit2day Sep 2017 #33

This makes no sense leftstreet Sep 2017 #35

Are you saying medicare covers dental, vision and hearing? ollie10 Sep 2017 #43

Unless you have some kind of advantage plan, dental is not covered, and vision for glasses is not still_one Sep 2017 #66

Bernie did mention dental and vision on tv last night. WyattKansas Sep 2017 #91

"Pointing out the immense political obstacles to single-payer is NOT the same as being against it." NurseJackie Sep 2017 #2

It must be troubling to have so many Democrats Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #7

What troubles me is the traitor, nazi racist in the WH Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #55

What a weird thing to say. Why should that be troubling? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #63

Single payer isn't the answer. Not yet. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #31

Kindly explain this to me: jamesatemple Sep 2017 #53

I join you in wondering the same...why are all "tax increases" still dirty words??? Moostache Sep 2017 #65

Remember George HW Bush's infamous statement? kstewart33 Sep 2017 #71

Jonathan Chait is a washed-up neoliberal dick. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #3

What a puzzle . . . GaryCnf Sep 2017 #4

"a Bernie hater like Chait" left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #34

Yes let's rain on the parade. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #5

Better still, lets not threaten to Primary every otherwise reliable Democrat who doesn't sign on brooklynite Sep 2017 #14

so we are in agreement: we should all get on board and stop fighting over this issue. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #19

Have a parade when we have a well-vetted plan that passes. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #39

+1 tecelote Sep 2017 #40

This is not a parade but a funeral march for the many who depend on the ACA. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #72

tp 3: somehow supporting medicare for all will kill the ACA instead. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #93

More specifically regarding the already insured is that those 155 million must get equal or better stevenleser Sep 2017 #6

Medicare would have to be modified ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #13

Yes, and if you dare point that out to the wrong people, You're the devil! stevenleser Sep 2017 #28

i get really bothered ismnotwasm Sep 2017 #30

They don't want to change...and that is why Hillarycare went south...find a plan like a public Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #73

It's a battle that will take years to win but it's worth having Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #8

Do you think the majority of insured who get it at work will support single payer? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #50

We need to protect what we have now...while we wage this 'war' which we may not win. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #74

The value in this is showing that the Democratic Party stands FOR something. Demit Sep 2017 #9

no shit. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #17

I don't think single payer will work. I am for universal coverage however. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #75

So what happens if this passed and a pres signed it ? JI7 Sep 2017 #10

It doesn't work that way... brooklynite Sep 2017 #16

the funding is detailed in the bill. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #18

What president will sign it? And only a super majority can pass it. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #49

Right. So, CAMPAIGN ON SINGLE PAYER, LAND ON THE PUBLIC OPTION. yodermon Sep 2017 #11

Yes they are ...single payer won't work anyway, but we won't ever get it in the first place. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #47

or be demonized and lose big and lose the ACA and a public option. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #77

I never listen to that hack Chait. HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #12

Throwing up your hands saying it's never ever going to happen means you might as well be against it Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #15

may the FUD be with you. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #20

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #21

No we can't! Got that America? jalan48 Sep 2017 #22

"Man, we are NEVER going to see the abolition of Jim Crow, so what's bullwinkle428 Sep 2017 #23

ouch tiredtoo Sep 2017 #26

Lol, of course Chait is against it Arazi Sep 2017 #24

We know. Single payer will never ever happen. It's the Republican mantra. Autumn Sep 2017 #25

Give me a plausible scenario how Sen. Sander's bill becomes law. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #46

Same as the ACA, we work on it until we get it. Autumn Sep 2017 #58

That is not how we got the ACA...tell me right now how this bill becomes law. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #60

Are you telling me that our Dems didn't work on the ACA until Obama signed it into law? Autumn Sep 2017 #61

We had the Congress and the presidency...did we 'work' on it during the Bush years other Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #68

We must only discuss/ attempt important things when we have Congress and the presidency. Right. Autumn Sep 2017 #69

Well introducing this bill when it has no chance of passing reminds me of the 50 times the GOP Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #70

I can see why you would think that. Autumn Sep 2017 #90

This is Chait, by the way: HarmonyRockets Sep 2017 #27

We can't get movement on climate change or fair taxes either. Gore1FL Sep 2017 #29

Same naysayers told us to STFU about marriage equality RandiFan1290 Sep 2017 #32

This. n/t ms liberty Sep 2017 #48

This isn't really an equitable comparison because single payer costs literally R B Garr Sep 2017 #67

I never said that...civil rights are not part of politics...but consider those on the left left Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #78

Chait is a concern troll mentalslavery Sep 2017 #36

And the Real Reason for a decade of Democratic Loses eom LarryNM Sep 2017 #37

and a little context to boot mentalslavery Sep 2017 #38

Which will never happen...and Sen. Sanders has certainly made some comments Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #42

The gerrymander and the fact...that we passed a health care plan in 09 Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #45

So true...I do not believe single payer is possible...in a bill like Sen. Sanders is Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #41

We must try, and keep trying Sienna86 Sep 2017 #44

Bernie persisted Not Ruth Sep 2017 #51

nevertheless....bernie persisted nt mentalslavery Sep 2017 #56

To what end? It won't become law...would that he would persist in saving the only health care we Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #79

Many important things take time, civil rights for example Not Ruth Sep 2017 #82

So people who need insurance now are unimportant? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #84

All I want to know is what protects us from the liars who say we have the "greatest healthcare ck4829 Sep 2017 #52

Just getting more people talking about it helps to add legitimacy Dustlawyer Sep 2017 #54

Yeeeeppp...control the narrative...while we are talkin single payer mentalslavery Sep 2017 #57

Chait's still around? n/t QC Sep 2017 #59

Pointing out the immense political obstacles is fuckin easy. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #62

indeed. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #64

No it is not...when you have a plan that needs to be saved and instead you go all out on a plan Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #80

Maybe this option is worrisome enough to motivate Republicans to save ACA. aikoaiko Sep 2017 #83

It isn't. They want nothing and can use this to get rid of all health care. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #88

Ah yes, another Bettie Sep 2017 #76

I would bet, and I will save this post that a year from now...single payer will not be Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #81

Right now, with a fully Republican congress Bettie Sep 2017 #86

'Zero is everything; everything is zero. This is Zen mathematics' Donkees Sep 2017 #85

It's about health care as a RIGHT. alarimer Sep 2017 #87

Is that the point of their pushing this now? I don't think it is. CousinIT Sep 2017 #89

The problem with this approach is that Republicans are going to dictate the negatives Calista241 Sep 2017 #92