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Garrett78

(10,721 posts) Fri Aug 4, 2017, 10:48 PM Aug 2017

Increase Democratic turnout, or try to convert Trump supporters? [View all]

Which one?

I don't think the Democratic Party can do both, and I'd say the latter is a fool's errand.

One might suggest that it depends on where the candidate is running, but I think running against your party's national platform can cause substantial problems and make re-election pretty damn difficult.

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Increase Democratic turnout, or try to convert Trump supporters? [View all] Garrett78 Aug 2017 OP

Must try to do both. elleng Aug 2017 #1

We don't need Trump's idiot racist fuckheads. Fuck them. Orrex Aug 2017 #2

Agreed. Garrett78 Aug 2017 #4

Well I guess my sister and I GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #5

That's the meme as of late... Good luck with that 2018. Only thing the left has going for it Purveyor Aug 2017 #6

I know I am not that smart... GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #8

Bringing back dems that voted for Trump seems to be frowned upon in these woods. Purveyor Aug 2017 #19

Thanks for simplifying it for me GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #22

Let's see some hard numbers: Orrex Aug 2017 #82

My son and his girlfriend were #2 LeftInTX Aug 2017 #90

Yes, we can all cite anecdotal exceptions Orrex Aug 2017 #91

It is a fact the young adults tend to move more than older adults LeftInTX Aug 2017 #92

I'm sorry, this is a silly equivalence. We are talking about allocation of party resources. Squinch Aug 2017 #54

Well, she voted for the idiot racist fuckhead Orrex Aug 2017 #72

Wow. We hate them so much GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #78

They are idiot racist fuckheads until they demonstrably change their position Orrex Aug 2017 #81

I have to agree. There's no appeasing haters. we can do it Aug 2017 #9

HUGE mistake labeling them all "haters." Most who voted for Trump are not "haters." This is just LBM20 Aug 2017 #49

This is bullshit. Here are some factors that strongly correlated with a vote for Trump: Squinch Aug 2017 #55

Yep we can do it Aug 2017 #59

That is a magnificent summation Orrex Aug 2017 #73

Well... thank you! Squinch Aug 2017 #74

Well, let them have the idiot racist fuckhead whom they elected Orrex Aug 2017 #75

Yes Chasstev365 Aug 2017 #3

Some Trump voters also voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #7

That % is probably very small Proud liberal 80 Aug 2017 #11

But the margins were small enough in areas like the Rust Belt that it mattered. Willie Pep Aug 2017 #12

It'd be far more efficient and constructive to increase Dem turnout. Garrett78 Aug 2017 #16

Yep. As a guest on Democracy Now said... Garrett78 Aug 2017 #14

All Of the above. Glad you can see beyond the myth makers . Not too many can they like the story lunasun Aug 2017 #21

Thanks for posting that leftstreet Aug 2017 #39

This should be an OP. Squinch Aug 2017 #56

It was. Garrett78 Aug 2017 #66

Priority should be to increase Dem turnout CakeGrrl Aug 2017 #10

The 40% who don't vote seems easy picking. Besides, who wants to coddle white wingers. Hoyt Aug 2017 #13

"Easy picking?" Really? BzaDem Aug 2017 #40

See post 14. Yes, easy pickings. Squinch Aug 2017 #57

If you would like to step out of a fantasy world, see post 41. n/t BzaDem Aug 2017 #67

Not sure why you need to be nasty about it. And the opinion you voiced in post 41 is, first of all, Squinch Aug 2017 #69

It responds to the exact same Democracy Now quote as referenced in post 14. BzaDem Aug 2017 #70

Jesus. How stunningly pompous. Not to mention senseless. Have a nice day. Squinch Aug 2017 #71

Admittedly, we haven't done a good job -- but yes, they are easy pickings compared to white wing Hoyt Aug 2017 #61

Labeling people "white wingers" and refusing to compete everywhere has been THE problem. LBM20 Aug 2017 #50

Disagree. White wingers ain't gonna change. Forget them. Hoyt Aug 2017 #62

They are/were motivated by hate, not their economic situation. Boomerproud Aug 2017 #77

One of the most likely predictors of whether someone will vote is if they are a voter mythology Aug 2017 #15

Except that some non-voters used to vote regularly. Garrett78 Aug 2017 #17

Trump being president does far more to "enchant" disenchanted voters than anything Democrats can do. BzaDem Aug 2017 #41

The "Better Deal" does not say anything about voter turnout - big mistake LeftInTX Aug 2017 #88

Increased turnout worked real well in 2008. L. Coyote Aug 2017 #18

That was a presidential year... Wounded Bear Aug 2017 #65

Lead with increasing turnout(among both the base and those who simply don't vote much...) Ken Burch Aug 2017 #20

I don't know how you would identify those Obama voters who allegedly voted for Trump. Garrett78 Aug 2017 #25

You key on the, to be precise, working-class white voters in the Upper Midwest. Ken Burch Aug 2017 #68

Increase turnout. Liberal In Texas Aug 2017 #23

+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2017 #43

And agressively combat repug vote suppression, voting machine hacking and gerrymandering brush Aug 2017 #24

yep; anyone who thinks they won't do it again is seriously fooling themselves. nt TheFrenchRazor Aug 2017 #42

Exactly. All those pontificators who fail to take this into account when explaining why dems are diva77 Aug 2017 #45

Yes. The harder we do GOTV the harder the repugs try to suppress those votes... brush Aug 2017 #63

Both rpannier Aug 2017 #26

Ridiculous Premise Ccarmona Aug 2017 #27

In other words, you think Dems can do both? Garrett78 Aug 2017 #29

Preference is everything Awsi Dooger Aug 2017 #28

"Independents" of today are more strongly partisan than partisans from decades past. Garrett78 Aug 2017 #31

Try for both Lotusflower70 Aug 2017 #30

Ever try to reprogram a cult member? Gabi Hayes Aug 2017 #32

Yes Lotusflower70 Aug 2017 #33

Interesting.....impressed you were able to do Gabi Hayes Aug 2017 #36

Hmmm Lotusflower70 Aug 2017 #38

You can persuade people to vote!! LeftInTX Aug 2017 #89

We won by 3 million votes. How about we stop the suppression and the hacked machines. onecaliberal Aug 2017 #34

That would be ideal - would require pressuring elections officials to decertify the machines diva77 Aug 2017 #44

Increase turnout- fight the apathy and disinformation at every turn bettyellen Aug 2017 #35

How many actual flesh and blood supporters does he actually have? Generic Other Aug 2017 #37

How big of a tent do we need anyway? kentuck Aug 2017 #46

Because the party left the 50 state strategy, didn't party-build, and ran weak campaigns. LBM20 Aug 2017 #48

Yep. And AFAIK, they have done little or nothing to address the gerrymandering, Nay Aug 2017 #60

Both. Too many Trump supporters were registered Dems and Indies. CRAZY to write off people!!!! LBM20 Aug 2017 #47

Neither JustAnotherGen Aug 2017 #51

My son got married and moved from San Antonio to Houston LeftInTX Aug 2017 #93

How about repairing the intentional GaryCnf Aug 2017 #52

Carefully GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #79

I doubt you do GaryCnf Aug 2017 #83

Regardless of our personal beliefs GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #85

Great questions GaryCnf Aug 2017 #86

Thank you. I totally get it GulfCoast66 Aug 2017 #87

Trump(R) voters voted for Trump(R) because they want control over women and people of Squinch Aug 2017 #53

Both. The Obama voters who went for Trump can swing back. Chemisse Aug 2017 #58

GOTV, including registering voters and MineralMan Aug 2017 #64

What about the non-affiliated, non-voters who don't care or don't think their vote matters? Binkie The Clown Aug 2017 #76

Too many Trump voters never were with us on some big issues mvd Aug 2017 #80

It's not either/or. yardwork Aug 2017 #84

I don't think it has to be either - or loyalsister Aug 2017 #94

I'm equally happy with Trumpsters not voting krispos42 Aug 2017 #95