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In reply to the discussion: In 18 years since Naders run, what has been accomplished by attacking the Dem party from the left? [View all]virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)114. In the elections where a Democrat actually became President, and then was re-elected.....
you had the two most charismatic politicians of the modern age.
They were running during severe recessions against a Bush with low popularity ratings.
That is why they won.
Both had their majorities wiped out in the first midterm.
It was "It's the economy, stupid" episodes one and two.
You are drawing faulty conclusions about the evidence. It certainly does not support more of the same.
You are approaching this like a technician, and you have total faith in the demographic wave.
The problem is, you don't know how to talk to the new voters. Your rhetoric is off-putting or worse.
You have to start treating the new voters with respect.
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In 18 years since Naders run, what has been accomplished by attacking the Dem party from the left? [View all]
stevenleser
Jul 2017
OP
50% or it was Nader not seeing "the big picture". 50% was THIS PARTY not seeing the big picture.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#446
They just simply don't give a damn - vanity is of the utmost importance to them.
kerry-is-my-prez
Jul 2017
#701
Hopefully, what is accomplished is informing would-be Green voters of how useless the Green
DanTex
Jul 2017
#15
More likely it will create another few decades of animosity from people whose support we could use.
Gore1FL
Jul 2017
#435
For some reason, I don't hear Green apologists use that same argument when it comes to
DanTex
Jul 2017
#481
Well then stop whimpering and whining about the poor Green Party's hurt feelings.
DanTex
Jul 2017
#587
Let's find a way to bridge that gap then between Dem candidates and would-be third-party voters.
Gore1FL
Jul 2017
#699
I consider winning the house and senate a success. Also winning the presidency.
DanTex
Jul 2017
#725
Don't expect them to listen to you then. And don't expect to make a positive difference.
Gore1FL
Jul 2017
#730
Exactly...they are the enemies of Democrats as much as Republicans. In fact Greens prefer
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#645
They did...I fail to see how some defend them. I can't stand them and get a bit irrational on the
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#659
Some folks, Michael Moore among them, learn the lesson. He voted Nader. He wont make that mistake
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#85
We can't end the Greens by trying to browbeat Green voters into backing the Dem presidential ticket
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#344
Yes we have to stop pretending that Greens are potential allies...they are not and educate those
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#646
I agree...I think stimatizing them would help reduce their effectiveness ..no one wants to belong to
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#741
Yes Greens are akin to four year olds...it is true....the third party riffraff has no patience with
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#361
It isn't a good way to get independents or non-Democrats to vote for Dems, that's for sure.
alarimer
Jul 2017
#172
HRC had fantastic ideas and policy points. Hopefully you and everybody else here is familiar?
Eliot Rosewater
Jul 2017
#306
HRC DID have good ideas...and the fall platform(with many Sanders things added)was excellent
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#350
Ken: HRC brought tons of policy to the debates and to the campaign trail. Media minimized policy,
emulatorloo
Jul 2017
#387
The campaign didn't bring them to the ads...the ads were predominately about attacking Trump.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#392
Maybe. OTOH which Trump ads, speeches, debate appearances presented policy
emulatorloo
Jul 2017
#398
I don't defend the Trump ads on policy, and I don't defend the Trump campaign on anything.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#406
Neither does nominating liberals in red states like the three candidate Sen. Sanders endorsed. They
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#484
The greens gave us the Iraq war, Citizens United and the gutting of the Voting Rights Act
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#191
THANK YOU. Green voters are unwittingly (or maybe wittingly) allies of GOP power-grab in the U.S.
BlueCaliDem
Jul 2017
#331
No doubt about it. And the fact that she frothed at the mouth whenever she spoke of HRC
BlueCaliDem
Jul 2017
#639
You say 'some' Democrats...sorry. Democrats are the only vehicle that get progressive policy e
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#647
Greens are spoilers... they cost Democrats elections...they throw elections to the Republicans
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#357
How can any thinking person not vote for any democrat, in any election, as if their
Eliot Rosewater
Jul 2017
#309
the country has been pushed to the left, but since the party was determined to stay center-right....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#5
i think the fact that so called progressives/liberals didn't vote for him proves they are not
JI7
Jul 2017
#21
i wonder why that is not much of a concern of those who attack the democratic party and use the
JI7
Jul 2017
#30
What I wonder is why it has not been a concern for the Democratic Party.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#32
it is a concern for the party and something the Obama admin and Clinton had worked on
JI7
Jul 2017
#35
first, they failed.....second, they didn't hang it around the neck of the republican party
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#46
Jill Stein kept the money for herself . her intention was never about counting the votes
JI7
Jul 2017
#49
Jill Stein was talking about the evils of Operation Crosscheck during the campaign...
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#55
you avoid my question...why was Jill Stein, and not Democrats attacking operation crosscheck.....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#59
Nader did lie about Gore . democrats need to be in power to get change. Charlie Crist was Governor
JI7
Jul 2017
#60
you still avoid the elephant in the room.....Democratic Party inaction on the REAL reason......
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#62
they do deserve to be called out for their lies. democrats in power in california HAVE made things
JI7
Jul 2017
#63
no state can win national elections by themselves . but California sure contributes a lot to doing
JI7
Jul 2017
#66
We have gone to court...it is very hard to do anything about state elections...when the
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#174
I pontificate wherever I am...at this moment, I just happen to be behind a keyboard
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#349
Wow, a politician who criticizes another politician from another party during an election
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#214
There is no such thing as a 'Green Party"...they are Green spoilers...why do you
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#217
Hillary talked more about voting suppression than Stein or any other candidate.
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#84
Baloney- she talked about the Russian interference, minorities being targeted by crosscheck and
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#143
No, you are hijacking the OP. The question is, what accomplishments can you list from attacking the
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#97
OK, the main accomplishment is that people are waking up and seeing that the Democratic Party.....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#102
no willingness to change among the party upper echelon, but change is occurring nonetheless
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#106
Nope, it's not. You can try to wish something into existence that isn't there but it won't work.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#107
the Democratic Party misreads the electorate on a more fundamental level
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#108
Or folks who see things like you do fundamentally misread it. On the one hand you have history...
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#111
In the elections where a Democrat actually became President, and then was re-elected.....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#114
I love Al Gore....I consider him to be heroic....He is funny, he is smart....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#128
I guess he's thinking of the scene in The Blues Note bar in a Naked Gun movie.
betsuni
Jul 2017
#461
It is interesting that many blamed lefties who supported Gary Hart for Mondale's loss...this left
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#660
Your kidding yourself... Dukakis and Mondale were both liberal and branded as
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#674
But he was able to fight back by running to the center...also Perot helped as did Buchanan.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#722
Both Mondale and Dukakis were forced to move left...if your read about it...and lost badly.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#724
He fought back by having a rapid response team tha stopped the smears before they could work.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#729
not knowing how to talk about progressive issues in elections is political suicide
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#219
Oh please, that is totally not true...seriously I weary of this...No matter how you
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#239
I read an article he wrote which said we need to give up 'identity' problems...I disagree.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#255
I read an article but not a book...I wasn't impressed that much with his reasoning. so I didn't
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#271
Wrong again... I hate the Greens ET AL as do most Democrats forced to live under Trump
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#178
I support Democrats taking responsibility for their current situation.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#216
Yeah...you have nothing nice to say about Democrats. I get that. You give the Greens
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#220
Greens are irrelevant. Republicans stole the elections in both 2000 and 2016.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#242
what is obvious to any thinking person is that we should have been doing a full court press....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#142
is asking the Democratic Party to stand up and fight on this issue a third party strategy....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#518
I just don't care about third party candidates who get 1 or 2 percent of the votes
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#526
if you don't have the courage to stand by your words, why are we even talking?
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#539
"blame Democrats for 3rd party lies" What does that statement even mean?
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#555
I said that I promoted a courageous Democratic party in response to your statement....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#588
Show me the post number where I said that Democrats were "not courageous" or "out of touch"
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#593
You just aren't used to interacting with people who have a different point of view on this site
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#611
there is no conflict between defending unfair attacks on Bernie, and my hopes for the party
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#628
Very easy....you talk about it nonstop, and run ads condemning the practice.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#218
and you magically know in advance that no voters will be affected by that
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#263
And I don't think anyone gives a damn about this issue in fact it will be viewed as whining.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#652
I don't it is an issue that you can run on...and I think the GOP has convinced their people that
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#663
No, because they are not open to being convinced and this is not an issue that many other than thos
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#675
The DNC and HRCs campaign had calls for volunteers and court cases in every state where this was
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#386
Jill Stein said Trump was a better choice than Hillary Clinton...Jill Stein went to states where she
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#168
Your words not mine...it was a concerted effort Jill,Putin and Trump...with Comey
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#237
Yes it was. And the Greens are nothing but shitty spoilers...don't understand some
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#225
Didin't hear her do any of that. But I *did* hear her talk about the evils of Hillary Clinton.
BlueCaliDem
Jul 2017
#334
What I am hearing is "give me a reason to vote for that fill in the blank Democrat"
Eliot Rosewater
Jul 2017
#310
Interesting. First, you say Democrats blame everyone but themselves. Then you say voter suppression
BzaDem
Jul 2017
#77
Do you have evidence to back up the claim that they don't stand up to voter suppression?
BzaDem
Jul 2017
#115
Have you tried looking at all? It took me all of three minutes to find the following.
BzaDem
Jul 2017
#137
I can easily find many times that number of examples. But you want to know what would really help?
BzaDem
Jul 2017
#145
1. Gore won the vote in Florida with a full recount. K. Harris threw 173,000 voters off the rolls
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#148
Interesting how you aren't even disputing that Nader could have single-handedly caused Gore to win.
BzaDem
Jul 2017
#149
sure, and Bill Clinton could have gone on the campaign trail for Gore, and swung the election too.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#151
There is no evidence that would have helped (and it could have easily hurt). Not so with Nader.
BzaDem
Jul 2017
#155
Translation, until we do what you want, 100%, you will punish us and for that
Eliot Rosewater
Jul 2017
#311
Democrats are the party that couldn't landslide the most clownish, ridiculous candidate ever
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#320
Why will people who were so stupid to vote for Nader not take responsibility for their actions?
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#261
no, you are having to fight voter suppression efforts because Katherine Harris suppressed the vote
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#266
so, it is the job of third parties to prop up poorly performing major party candidates
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#273
So, many thousands were thrown off the voter rolls in 2000 and it had no effect
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#274
Yes, you got it. There is no answer for some folks other than blame Democrats.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#91
why should I take responsibility for it? what does it have to do with me?
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#290
Again, your claims are not based on facts and you should consider working in the real world
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#316
this is a battle that needs to be won politically, it can never be won on the ground
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#319
Again, attempting to divert the topic with use of straw man arguments is a sign that you lost
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#374
I see that you came up with a different straw man or red herring to attempt to divert attention
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#599
If your method had ended vote suppression, I would accept your analysis
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#313
They sounded familiar because your imagination produces this sort of nonsense often.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#640
In your world, if I express my opinion....I am trying to force an alternate reality onto others
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#681
Parroting a politician isn't expressing an opinion. It is agreeing with that politician.
R B Garr
Jul 2017
#682
I understand the concept of incoherent and contradictory expression....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#687
So in your indirect way....are you saying that Gore was your first vote?
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#717
I guess it wasn't that indirect.....it was simply a more elegant way of expressing it
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#718
on election night when Fox News set in motion the initial cascade of calls that Bush had won....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#735
I think the reframing to fit one politician's viewpoints are not the way to go, though.
R B Garr
Jul 2017
#743
Lakoff uses the word "moral" in terms of the differing viewpoints concerning right and wrong....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#747
it doesn't have anything to do with attacking Democrats, from the left or otherwise
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#758
So you are giving up on your silly clam that the SCOTUS was the reason for bush's win
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#766
it is Surreal to see you calling the SCOTUS theft of the election as a silly claim.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#768
you blame Nader for the Iraq War but not Democrats who voted for Authorization....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#772
you have picked out one person and one event and declared them solely responsible for an outcome....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#778
The concept of proximate causation and causation is covered in first year torts
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#779
The fact that you didn't pay attention in law school is none of my concern
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#780
you Scapegoat Nader for SCOTUS decisions that took place 10-13 years later
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#784
you do know that Roberts and Alito were appointed in Bush's second term?
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#786
The only sad thing would be if you represent the view of the Democratic Party upper echelon.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#792
If you really are a Democrat, then why are you defending Nader and the greenies?
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#798
That has been your mistake, imagining that I am defending Nader and the Green Party
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#799
i can easily understand it . same reason george zimmerman got away with killing trayvon martin
JI7
Jul 2017
#44
Yeah tough decisions...first step throw Nina Turner out if she still calls herself a Democrat tell
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#568
The country has not moved to the left at all. If anything, it has moved to the right.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#96
You cannot defeat all of that data because you don't know how to talk to the voters in the center.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#231
You are ignoring the fact that it was Nader who gave us the gutting of the voting rights act
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#200
since the recount showed that when all ballots were counted in Florida, Gore won....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#562
Why do you not want to deal with facts? The facts show that Nader gave the election to W
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#564
When Gore got the most votes, did Nader force Republicans to steal the election?
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#608
In your world, Gore got the most votes, Republicans stole the election, and you blame Nader
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#664
No one rational is buying your argument that the Republicans didn't steal the election
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#678
Why are you afraid to admit that Nader gave us the Iraq War, Citizens United and Shelby County case
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#760
Nader didn't cost Gore anything. Gore did not convince enough voters to satisfy you.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#762
Gore did not convince the people who voted for Nader to vote for him. That was his job, not Nader's.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#764
In the real world, the peer reviewed studies show that Nader cost Gore 27,000 net votes control
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#765
I don't need a "peer reviewed study" to realize that it is the job of the candidate to win votes
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#767
You are great at cutting and pasting, but you can't refute my argument
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#773
the platform is a lovely document.....much kicking and screaming in its creation
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#513
My contention is that Democrats have not learned how to talk to voters in the center....
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#514
Sure that explains it all . It doesn't really explain the shift in the states to Republican
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#543
NO, we live in a center left country at best ...if we did this, we could face losses as bad
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#183
there is a left, and there is a right but there is a huge center, and that center can be persuaded
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#222
There is no center. such as shown..those who are not affiliated with one party or the other
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#256
I think we can improve our situation. We have a court case that has a shot at stopping the
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#269
The Partisan Gerrymandering case is a very interesting case that I am following
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#286
As you know Justice Kennedy has long been opposed to gerrymandering or so he says.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#488
Chad Dunn is the outside counsel for the Texas Democratic Party and is a counsel in the Texas case
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#560
The Clintons pushed the party to the right in the '90s. It's time to rebalance.
Zen Democrat
Jul 2017
#7
Why, because losing three Presidential elections in a row by landslide proportions wasn't enough?
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#82
I am sorry that is not accurate. Even with Ross Perot running who took votes from the Pugs,
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#233
Exactly. Clinton played the only cards he could...the fact he tried for single payer healthcare
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#492
No they didn't...12 years of massive losses pushed the party to the center...and Bill
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#669
This proves that even during his FIRST campaign he was being accused of being too centrist.
pnwmom
Jul 2017
#68
They saw that he was black and so they had assumptions about him. But they changed their mind
pnwmom
Jul 2017
#75
not true, the so called leftists were supporting John Edwards and attacking OBama and Clinton
JI7
Jul 2017
#80
John Edwards was never a good lefty for those who actually care about where candidates stand on
JI7
Jul 2017
#93
He was never that very lefty - but somehow it didn't hurt him w Uber lefties lol
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#147
He DID a lot of things that were total non starters though. It's interesting to watch peope
bettyellen
Jul 2017
#258
No, many supported Kucinich. They were always worried that Obama was too conciliatory,
pnwmom
Jul 2017
#303
He never shifted. He campaigned on bringing both sides together, not on being to the left. n/t
pnwmom
Jul 2017
#67
I think you're mostly right, except that he retreated from some of the issues that lefties liked.
aikoaiko
Jul 2017
#70
The far left abandoned Pres. Obama and helped the GOP win in 10 because we didn't get single payer.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#670
people want to forget what went on through Obama's presidency and the attacks he got
JI7
Jul 2017
#48
What was accomplished? The country got pushed to the right, two wars, thousands
lunamagica
Jul 2017
#9
I wonder when they will finally see that. There is a lot of flailing under this OP by some folks
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#109
18 years since Nader announced his candidacy and started attacking Democrats
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#465
Of course not if you are Republican that is...you should encourage it as a means to win every
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#571
it's the majority of white people who have a problem with these issues and vote republican because
JI7
Jul 2017
#26
some people falsely claimed that "a certain person" chose between the two.
virtualobserver
Jul 2017
#34
The certain person built a campaign message that Democrats were ignoring them.
R B Garr
Jul 2017
#252
Yep. A certain person tried to say all racial inequality was economic class warfare.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#105
Nope, that's the folks attacking Democrats from the left. But I already said that in my OP. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#89
Tom, for the sake of Clarity, are folks attacking the Democratic Party the only ones allowed
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#468
The false equivalencies only gave more power to the republicans until Howard Dean came around and
still_one
Jul 2017
#33
Dean was right but the fact is the reason we had control then was because many of those democrats
JI7
Jul 2017
#37
The only way to push the Democratic party to the left is through organization and winning elections.
Yavin4
Jul 2017
#53
One's definition of ''left'' might mean a whole different thing to another. Define ''left".
YOHABLO
Jul 2017
#78
In 18 years since Naders run, what has been accomplished by the Dem party attacking the left?
quakerboy
Jul 2017
#86
No one has had a good response to the OP that justifies the attacks on the party from the left yet.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#94
Also too, I'd like to know where this Neoliberal Establishment Democratic Party is.
betsuni
Jul 2017
#99
You wouldn't if you didn't want to try to distract from the question in my OP. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#113
As I said to the other poster, if your viewpoint is threatened by the question
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#124
You only characterize it thusly because it threatens your entrenched views. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#126
That you can't or won't answer...what good has come from attacking Democrats?
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#494
the extreme left is no different than the extrerme right....their ideology has always been the
beachbum bob
Jul 2017
#158
The so called left has enabled the GOP and enacted GOP policies...mostly Greens and other
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#162
I did answer the question. Elections are run by states...and GOP states are using crosscheck so
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#211
We lost with a gerrymander and because of the alt left often...third party riffraff.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#184
The left generally criticized Dean for that...and were adamant about not having him
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#253
Okay, more Dems voted for GEORGE W. BUSH in Florida than Ralph Nader that year.
alarimer
Jul 2017
#247
Why did you leave out gerrymandering and voter suppression? You think everyone doesn't know by now!?
YCHDT
Jul 2017
#213
I run left but understand the need to elect Democrats...but green riffraff and other third party
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#495
I see it completely different ...I see the Democratic Party under attack from the right and the left
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#567
You already went away sadly...have you looked at the 2016 election carefully?
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#185
No, LGBTQ organizations deserve credit for LGBTQ equality, not Nader and Stein.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#199
nice try. I said nothing about Nader and Stein. You attacked "the left" in general.
Voltaire2
Jul 2017
#410
Nope, that is your straw man. My OP was about those who attack Democrats from the left
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#418
I don't care about the third party left or the green riffraff... the Democratic left
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#497
Nader gave us the Iraq war, Citizens United and the gutting of the Voting Rights Act
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#188
FDR put people in camps. That is a fact...and his vision is almost 100 years old
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#499
The "The New Deal" was only for White folks. And Johnson enacted medicaid and medicare... not
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#720
What I posted was not opinion. These were things that happened under Roosevelt...including
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#732
all of the ones that didn't apply to POC or women...rights are meaningless without equality.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#738
Actually, I adore Roosevelt. He was a great man. He saved this country and was
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#740
We never had all those rights...even if we were white in during those years and POC had no such
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#746
The burden is on you to prove that.Its much easier to show evidence the other way.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#206
You consider the election of Trump moving the party to the left or slowing the move to the
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#502
the fostering of divisiveness within the Democratic bloc has done a disservice to us all
fishwax
Jul 2017
#210
After Nader and Stein, those of us who actually want to stop Republicans from being elected
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#215
Yeah, certainly there is a small but not insignificant block of folks who don't get that
fishwax
Jul 2017
#291
Good questions. I've been asking a similar question for month, still with no answer:
George II
Jul 2017
#221
You can keep ignoring us if you want, but we'll keep organizing and building
DemocraticWing
Jul 2017
#428
Opinion articles won't help you. Statistics show zero movement in the voters' opinion of Socialism.
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#429
You're using a poll that compares 2016 to 2010, but modern opinions have shifted post-2000.
DemocraticWing
Jul 2017
#430
Right that is why had Bush and now Trump because we are so far left...socialist and all.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#508
In the spring of 2016, the polls showed 55% saying they'd vote for a candidate who said he was.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#454
Yes, of course it has. Because these more left leaning groups offer an alternative to voters. They
JCanete
Jul 2017
#278
There is no 'alternative' to Democrats...unless you want to elect Republicans.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#504
the alternative is a vote that tells the Democratic party where you stand. There is no democracy
JCanete
Jul 2017
#541
The "attacks" from the left on the Dem establishment do NOT REACH the large majority of the
vkkv
Jul 2017
#279
That is bs...and the left helped the GOP pull the country right by enabling GOP majorities.
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#505
A con man stole these divisive talking points and now look how empty they are
R B Garr
Jul 2017
#330
At the time it happened, progressives were totally silenced and powerless WITHIN this party.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#341
It's always a sign that you are losing the argument when you resort to personal abuse.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#397
It's personal abuse to claim I don't live in the real world and don't know practical politics.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#420
I live in the real world-it's just that I disagree with you on what's possible in this world.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#436
Ken-I strongly disagree with your silly platform because it will not work win the real world
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#440
I'm not scared to post in the other thread. Most of the posters there agree with me.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#448
The posters on that thread did not agree with you and the fact that you believe that amuses me
Gothmog
Jul 2017
#451
The African-American voters voted against Perriello because he was anti-choice in the far past.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#456
They did not vote for perriello in my opinion because Northam was better established and endorsed
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#515
More like liberal candidates lost in the 70's and 80's so maybe a centrist might have a chance and
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#573
Do you mean those who criticized from the left from WITHIN the Party or from outside the Party?
George II
Jul 2017
#384
Statistics can be used to present any viewpoint. But your comments are a bit off...
George II
Jul 2017
#409
The claims that it's the democrats fault that congressional and state legislative races were lost
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#474
Is what the democratic party is still doing working, is also a valid question that has to be asked,
JCanete
Jul 2017
#546
I think there was a father and daughter team that personified Nader, Stein and the like
DFW
Jul 2017
#393
Veruca Salt is a pretty good analogy for those who attack Democrats from the left nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#421
We had no right to expect those people to just support our ticket no matter how far right it went.
Ken Burch
Jul 2017
#444
More attempts to distract from the question in the OP that is a very simple one. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#472
You mean no positive accomplishments that you will accept, but unless you're going to effectively
JCanete
Jul 2017
#547
So, where is the list of positive things Dems have accomplished since Trump took office?
vkkv
Jul 2017
#565
Of course Russia, voter suppression and Comey is left out of this critique because ...
YCHDT
Jul 2017
#662
Sorry, can't add much. I have come to hate the alt-left and everything they are with the heat of
Blue_true
Jul 2017
#427
So you couldn't answer the question in the OP but felt compelled to respond
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#466
You are 100% wrong. It's a question that should always be asked. I'm surprised I even need to say
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#569
My suggestion is to move the country left before the party moves left so we can actually win
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#523
Thank you. Running candidates who can't win is a waste of time. Primarying Joe Manchin for example
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#644
They took their ball and went home...here is hoping they suffer 1000 times more
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#540
Stop ignoring the fact that the changes that the Clintons brought to the party are why we are
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#616
That is so true. I am so so sick of the bashing of Clinton. He tried to get single payer health care
Demsrule86
Jul 2017
#650
for the past couple of days this thread keeps showing up at the top of the Latest page
Kali
Jul 2017
#545
8+years of damage to the environment and extinction & mass killing of wildlife. I will never forgive
kerry-is-my-prez
Jul 2017
#700
We didn't need Nader or Stein for that. There was ample proof for the non-feebleminded before. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2017
#806