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121. That is not the case...and it is a waste of time to primary Democrats when we could use the

Mon Jul 3, 2017, 01:56 PM

Jul 2017

resources to turn the a GOP seat blue...This organization is dead to me. I would never support ( I used to)them or vote for any of their candidates.

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I've, and most of us who have been here for quite sometime realize one thing........ [View all] boston bean Jul 2017 OP

I hear very little issue advocacy from those folks. dawg Jul 2017 #1

If you don't hear it it's because you don't WANT to hear it Jim Lane Jul 2017 #54

We had the most progressive policy in Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #58

The only reason the democratic platform was so progressive was because... killbotfactory Jul 2017 #75

In other words, the system worked. dawg Jul 2017 #80

Nonsense...Bernie ideas are Democratic ideas and have been held by many Democrats for years. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #126

Why is is he not a democrat? demosincebirth Jul 2017 #133

Ask him...he does the party a disservice by not joining in my opinion. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #136

He doesn't want to be saddled by rules of a party he does not totally agree with demosincebirth Jul 2017 #182

There you go...I don't disagree. But to me that means Sen. Sanders should have little say in the Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #184

Nonsense? killbotfactory Jul 2017 #141

That post is so full of straw men it's a fire hazard. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #114

First of all, I disagree with almost eveything you wrote. We are in a fight for Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #125

You say you disagree with *me* and then you quote... Nina Turner. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #129

I am merely pointing out the shortcomings of "our revolution" and why they get two fucks Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #134

You hit the nail on it's head. Blue_true Jul 2017 #175

Most of what you listed was either in the Democratic Party platform and/or ... dawg Jul 2017 #79

I see it differently. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #117

The point is that you aren't really saying anything all that different from the rest of us. dawg Jul 2017 #120

I was saying something different from your post #1. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #127

Maybe you aren't demonizing people, but a whole helluva lot of other people are. dawg Jul 2017 #138

Those policies were pushed 10% of the time, attacks on Democrats pushed 90% of the time. stevenleser Jul 2017 #97

It is almost as if there is an agenda that has NOTHING to do with what they propose. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #103

Yes, almost as if, right? Very weird. nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #104

Your "statistic" reflects hypersensitivity to criticism. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #119

If it was just me it might. When it is almost all the folks who voted Hillary, that's something else stevenleser Jul 2017 #140

More precisely, "*a lot* of the *DUers* who voted for Hillary". Jim Lane Jul 2017 #145

Whatever makes you feel better. But you are wrong. Almost all the Hillary supporters feel similarly. stevenleser Jul 2017 #149

LOL. Inasmuch as you've apparently interviewed several million people... Jim Lane Jul 2017 #150

Don't just ask me, ask Bernie. He and his campaign were sufficiently concerned about it stevenleser Jul 2017 #152

What I said was that your 90% "statistic" was totally bogus. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #153

And the point of the link which you glossed over is that stevenleser Jul 2017 #167

40% of the party in someone's wildest fucking dreams. Blue_true Jul 2017 #174

They don't seem to get politics at all mcar Jul 2017 #2

100% agree ... They seem more about screaming than making progress YCHDT Jul 2017 #3

There's a brain-numbingly slow, boring, & detailed behavior in the actual execution of the political NBachers Jul 2017 #4

I'm curious to know luvtheGWN Jul 2017 #6

Exactly. They seem to want to hang around the Democratic Party and continually bash us with their... brush Jul 2017 #14

The alt-left. Blue_true Jul 2017 #177

"But if I don't understand it, then IT'S CORRUPT! There are EASY ANSWERS ehrnst Jul 2017 #20

++++++++++++++ JHan Jul 2017 #28

How is this not about the last election? AllyCat Jul 2017 #5

Yup. KPN Jul 2017 #31

Our revolution is a terrible organization that bashes Democrats and primaries sitting Democrats. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #59

Yes. And it's going on right now mcar Jul 2017 #89

This we don't need. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #124

I'm still getting their email's LiberalBrooke Jul 2017 #93

I went to their meetings, but since I voted for Hillary I suppose I would be unwelcome anyway...but Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #123

Not to mention is so orthodox they threw out a candidate who voted Bernie in the primary stevenleser Jul 2017 #100

I would say most are both. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #122

Seems like DU isn't much different. If you voted HRC AllyCat Jul 2017 #183

When sitting Democrats don't stand up for the people AllyCat Jul 2017 #118

That is not the case...and it is a waste of time to primary Democrats when we could use the Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #121

You keep arguing like you are in the majority. Blue_true Jul 2017 #179

I guess if you put a disclaimer on your post Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #82

So fucking propose the "new ideas" along with practical means of achieving them. Blue_true Jul 2017 #178

Some politics is local NotASurfer Jul 2017 #7

And yet another divide and conquer thread. tiredtoo Jul 2017 #8

Who is doing all this division???? boston bean Jul 2017 #9

the people here that condemn left wing fringe folk. tiredtoo Jul 2017 #10

pointing to facts of some working against the party is dividing who from who?? boston bean Jul 2017 #11

what facts? tiredtoo Jul 2017 #12

exactly what I wrote and is detailed in very specific interview of the president of Our Revolution: boston bean Jul 2017 #16

I Read the article provided in link tiredtoo Jul 2017 #22

And if they don't abide by everything NIna Turner says?? It is the democratic party who is divisive boston bean Jul 2017 #25

Absolutely right. It's not a zero sum game KPN Jul 2017 #34

I invite any single person to vote democratic. That is not what what Nina is saying. boston bean Jul 2017 #35

Keep in mind it's all in the eye of KPN Jul 2017 #43

No, my invitation is please join and vote democratic. Have some leverage within the party to make boston bean Jul 2017 #44

No its not...they attack Democrats...and demand the impossible...I am done with all of them. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #60

Who is "them". Seems like there are plenty of KPN Jul 2017 #157

Not Democrats...I am talking about Green and other third party riffraff. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #159

It is nonsense. But that's what's happened KPN Jul 2017 #172

Elect Democrats and especially in Congress. We need Congress as much Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #185

Wrong. The simple fact is repeated attacks work. kcr Jul 2017 #78

Not true. You are putting words in her mouth. KPN Jul 2017 #155

we have been ruled by republicans for years. tiredtoo Jul 2017 #50

That is untrue...we had it all in 08 and then folks who are now in these splinter anti-Democratic Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #61

For a very short time. boston bean Jul 2017 #95

McConnell is a dick...I mention it only to show that it was that long ago that the GOP was on the Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #131

"Purity voters" tiredtoo Jul 2017 #110

As Hillary was the Democratic candidate and the only one who could stop Trump...the Greens that Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #130

The greens were NEVER going to vote for Hillary tiredtoo Jul 2017 #154

"Hillary, not so much". And who was the candidate? See why "purity voters" are despised? lunamagica Jul 2017 #142

Bingo ... KPN Jul 2017 #173

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you maybe juxtaposed Jul 2017 #42

Why not take your list and start your own party? brush Jul 2017 #15

Sorry my friend, even Teddy Roosevelt could not win as a third party candidate. tiredtoo Jul 2017 #23

You don't even realize how silly your post looks under an OP about Stein. stevenleser Jul 2017 #27

Dividing the party contributes to the losing. Don't you get that? brush Jul 2017 #29

This movement or whatever you call it is not about winning. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #62

Because they DO NOT WANT TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE FOLD. boston bean Jul 2017 #17

They don't want to be "brought" anywhere loyalsister Jul 2017 #51

They are not novel ideas and many are already represented by democrats. boston bean Jul 2017 #57

Not here loyalsister Jul 2017 #63

I am not being condescending. Please tell us how bad the democrats are and what you want changed boston bean Jul 2017 #66

Have you visited a rural county? loyalsister Jul 2017 #68

Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. kcr Jul 2017 #76

Perfect example loyalsister Jul 2017 #98

I live in a rural county. A rural county in the deep South. dawg Jul 2017 #83

Hillary did mcar Jul 2017 #91

Not here loyalsister Jul 2017 #102

If you didn't support the Dem nominee, you are the one being divisive. stevenleser Jul 2017 #26

Anyone who claimed "Clinton is worse than Trump" in 2016 should never be listened to ever again. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #30

You win!!! nikibatts Jul 2017 #67

Exactly. Well stated. KPN Jul 2017 #32

Terribly stated, unsupportable, and blames the victim for the actions of the perpetrator. nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #39

Nope ...it names those who enabled Trump and have the nerve to call themselves progressive... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #64

I agree wholeheartedly with your 1st part Nevernose Jul 2017 #90

To stop the "divide or conquer, we must expand the left center voters, not the greens or far left. Lil Missy Jul 2017 #164

We are on the verge of losing the Affordable Care Act... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #13

At the same time, the current environment KPN Jul 2017 #36

You're acting as if this country doesn't know what single payer is... yallerdawg Jul 2017 #40

You're wrong. The country has NOT rejected single payer. The ruling class has. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #55

Single payer health care is not possible now. We need a sixty vote majority in the Senate, a House Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #70

You've brilliantly refuted an argument I did not make. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #112

The point is ...let's not endanger the ACA which we need at least until 2020...and with a 50-50 Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #128

Uh, why is that "the point"? Is there disagreement? Jim Lane Jul 2017 #132

Yes there are. Let's not muddy the water with a cry for single payer at this moment. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #135

There's where we disagree. Jim Lane Jul 2017 #139

That is how I see it. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #146

The GOP will use single payer as a way to get rid of the ACA...just wait until that fight is won... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #147

I'm wrong. yallerdawg Jul 2017 #72

See this is what you don't understand...we have the least chance in our history of passing single Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #65

i agree barbtries Jul 2017 #18

TYT gets a lot of views. dawg Jul 2017 #86

that has crossed my mind. barbtries Jul 2017 #143

This isn't much different than the 60s/70s purists nini Jul 2017 #19

As someone who would have supported either Hillary or Bernie MrPurple Jul 2017 #24

Yes we should coalesce behind the nominee, but we don't marylandblue Jul 2017 #33

I supported Bernie in the Primary, HRC in the general emulatorloo Jul 2017 #37

So again, I ask.... vi5 Jul 2017 #38

We need to combat repug/Russian cheating. That's why we lost. We had/have more voters brush Jul 2017 #41

So...... vi5 Jul 2017 #45

I said as concerted an effort to stop repug cheating as we do to get out our voters brush Jul 2017 #46

Right now repugs control..... vi5 Jul 2017 #52

Like I said, we've already been successful in some states through the courts at stopping vote... brush Jul 2017 #53

Russia is indeed one reason tazkcmo Jul 2017 #81

I'd love to get rid of the EC but doesn't that have to be a Constitutional amendment? brush Jul 2017 #87

Yes, would require a Const. Amendment. tazkcmo Jul 2017 #88

I would like that. Yes I would. brush Jul 2017 #94

this. KG Jul 2017 #47

How do you disregard white working class people loyalsister Jul 2017 #69

We don't.....I agree with that point and have made it many times... vi5 Jul 2017 #73

In order to appeal to 'leftist' voters, we would have to move way left...and in at best a Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #71

You're hearing wrong. kcr Jul 2017 #74

And somehow it is the left that is conducting a purity test. Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #84

Very true. This sort are not progressive and only enable the right. They Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #56

My issue is accurately defining what makes one "left-leaning". no_hypocrisy Jul 2017 #77

On here it seems to be... vi5 Jul 2017 #92

K&R... spanone Jul 2017 #85

I've been here longer than you have Spider Jerusalem Jul 2017 #96

Ummm Nader and if there was no GWB term 1 there was no GWB term 2 boston bean Jul 2017 #99

And? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2017 #105

We dont have to guess. 40% of Nader voters would have voted Gore, 20% Bush stevenleser Jul 2017 #108

And Gore would likely have won had the Supreme Court not stopped the recount. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2017 #111

No, unfortunately he wouldn't. Florida's legislature had voted to give Florida's electors to Bush. stevenleser Jul 2017 #113

This person is too busy attempting to refute a point I made but doesn't realize boston bean Jul 2017 #115

That is generally what happens with these folks. Their logic sounds good superficially and if stevenleser Jul 2017 #116

That dead horse you're beating G_j Jul 2017 #162

I'm not sure you know the meaning of that idiom. stevenleser Jul 2017 #165

A-fucking-men... WoonTars Jul 2017 #101

There are so many flaws with your analysis its hard to know where to start stevenleser Jul 2017 #109

+1 nt Owl Jul 2017 #166

We need to attract the largest population of voters, go more centrists, attract Independent voters, Thinkingabout Jul 2017 #106

how much of this "messaging" can be traced back to likes of russian type hackers? beachbum bob Jul 2017 #107

Reinforcing this is not about the last primary wryter2000 Jul 2017 #137

I've been here since 2003 myself Tom Rinaldo Jul 2017 #144

Thanks, very well said! Jim Lane Jul 2017 #148

Thank you for taking the time G_j Jul 2017 #161

Hillary is never going to be President DefenseLawyer Jul 2017 #151

Try not to sound so happy about that. Jakes Progress Jul 2017 #156

Jesus Christ DefenseLawyer Jul 2017 #163

Forgetting what elected Republicans is worse than that of which you accuse the OP stevenleser Jul 2017 #170

++++ some people haven't gotten the memo yet: JHan Jul 2017 #171

Why do you need to defend those who helped elect trump. Jakes Progress Jul 2017 #181

The OP is pretty clear. JHan Jul 2017 #169

That kind of use of Hillary's name Jakes Progress Jul 2017 #180

No G_j Jul 2017 #158

This OP is flame bait. PassingFair Jul 2017 #160

I've been here as long as you and I don't think you are correct aikoaiko Jul 2017 #168

More finger pointing. guillaumeb Jul 2017 #176