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FarLeftFist

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40. I agree, and I am absolutely thrilled. I don't like the mandate either, but

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:15 PM

Jun 2012

I don't believe the mandate outweighs the numerous goods this bill accomplishes. Even if a single human life is saved it is a success, yet in reality millions may be saved. If people want to judge it in the future as a fiscal failure than so be it, but those people judging it as such will probably the pseudo-prolife crowd just espousing their hypocrisy. I believe history will judge this bill as a moral success. An attempt by a President to finally do SOMETHING for the betterment of our citizens and our society.

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I can't believe some Libs/Progressives here would rather see the ACA struck down [View all] FarLeftFist Jun 2012 OP

I just read perino the asshole thinks along the same lines. nt Whisp Jun 2012 #1

Exactly. If there is one defining thing that separates us from conservatives it is FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #5

Universal health care would help everyone and rid us of the for-profit nightmare just1voice Jun 2012 #2

And the fight continues. Doesn't mean we should punish those benefitting because we FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #6

The ACA is a poison pill of fiscal suicide. Chan790 Jun 2012 #9

With all due respect, dawg Jun 2012 #10

They're really not going to shelf it. Chan790 Jun 2012 #14

That's what they said after Teddy Roosevelt failed to get something passed. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #16

I disagree, and I shall explain why. dawg Jun 2012 #17

Here's the thing... FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #39

We might get something good out of a complete collapse of the system, but ... dawg Jun 2012 #63

With the existing mess that should take another ten or so years flamingdem Jun 2012 #74

Can we store the dead bodies at your house in the meantime? jeff47 Jun 2012 #87

No, throwing out the republicans will give us the framework through which we get single-payer. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #133

I'm very interested in your plan to elect liberal Democrats in Mississippi, jeff47 Jun 2012 #161

Why won't it happen? A great message is all that is needed. Besides, we don't need ALL of them to be FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #166

And those libs get into office where? jeff47 Jun 2012 #167

Conservatives were just in power for the last decade. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #171

Wow! 1980 and 1994 were in the last decade? (nt) jeff47 Jun 2012 #173

The problem is that ACA gets in the way of that single payer revolution... shaayecanaan Jun 2012 #164

I've been reading all the threads on this. Autumn Jun 2012 #176

Just like they weren't going to shelve it during the Clinton administration jeff47 Jun 2012 #86

There is an average of 19 years between health care reform attempts. ehrnst Jun 2012 #123

Twenty years is past crisis time TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #66

So you were asleep in the 90s? jeff47 Jun 2012 #81

Only if you live in a static universe, Jeff TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #143

I see, so you were awake, you just are unaware of any history before that? jeff47 Jun 2012 #160

I agree with you Mojorabbit Jun 2012 #127

You mean, you're no better off without it, right? MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #114

How about the subsidies? That makes it affordable for flamingdem Jun 2012 #52

The subsidies don't do all that much to help dflprincess Jun 2012 #65

Excellent points, all completely ignored by those pushing their false paradigm just1voice Jun 2012 #78

Why any one really believes that Congress is going to fund the subsidies is beyond me. It's really SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #115

Very good explanation. Thank you Autumn Jun 2012 #177

You sound like someone who talks a lot and accomplishes absolutely nothing. MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #113

However, thre is an average of 19 years between health care reform attempts. ehrnst Jun 2012 #122

+1,000,000. Devilgrrrl started a thread about such people last week. closeupready Jun 2012 #124

All or nothing... DearAbby Jun 2012 #3

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #4

k&r...oh, believe it.. spanone Jun 2012 #7

There is only one reason why I do not want it struck down... cynatnite Jun 2012 #8

I want ONE PART of it struck down, with prejudice.... mike_c Jun 2012 #11

Just wondering SoutherDem Jun 2012 #19

yes, lol... mike_c Jun 2012 #29

As I Understand It, the Legislation Addresses Corporate Profits On the Road Jun 2012 #57

I read a while back that there are loopholes in how that is calculated. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2012 #131

+1. nt riderinthestorm Jun 2012 #104

You should be absolutely thrilled.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #12

I agree, and I am absolutely thrilled. I don't like the mandate either, but FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #40

How about the lives lost because people can't afford health care? just1voice Jun 2012 #80

The people want a lot of things. jeff47 Jun 2012 #83

Wow. No more discrimination? Really? So families of all sorts will be treated equally under the Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #13

Those who are doing that are already set financially NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #15

Well, I don't want to be mandated to buy something I can never afford to use. EFerrari Jun 2012 #20

What is the phone number of the last lady you spoke to who said call back in six months NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #32

It was the main number for the Santa Clara Valley Medicaid office. EFerrari Jun 2012 #44

That meme is silly treestar Jun 2012 #59

Actually... girl gone mad Jun 2012 #90

Yeah. Insurance is like that. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #102

Maybe you can compare apples to apples on an exchange TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #150

That's a different issue in that the cost should not be different depending on how it gets paid for treestar Jun 2012 #148

As medicaid exists today it Riftaxe Jun 2012 #178

I'd rather see it struck UP, with a competitive public option. Thegonagle Jun 2012 #18

That's the spirit. But a public option needs a bill to attach itself to in the first place. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #41

The ACA is not great. It is barely better than the system previously in place. Bette Noir Jun 2012 #21

I had shitty insurance at work before ACA Bake Jun 2012 #27

No insurance chervilant Jun 2012 #165

They are worse than the Teabaggers with their ideological purity. They'd rather people suffer Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #22

That is completely false, most people would rather everyone had health care just1voice Jun 2012 #79

Not completely false. It's common sense. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #101

Very well stated and I agree 100% with EVERY word you said! Auntie Bush Jun 2012 #23

did you take a poll or something that shows a significant portion of DUers want that? yurbud Jun 2012 #24

even if there WAS a significant portion of people who wanted that, you don't persuade anyone through yurbud Jun 2012 #25

... SidDithers Jun 2012 #31

!!!!! dionysus Jun 2012 #70

that's just of people who want the individual mandate struck down NOT the whole law as the OP said yurbud Jun 2012 #89

The argument that judicial nullification would pave the way for single payer is laughable bluestateguy Jun 2012 #26

yes, as soon as ACA is struck down the republicans will vote for single payer. dionysus Jun 2012 #71

Republicans?! Hell, I think you'd be lucky to get 50% of the Democrats. bluestateguy Jun 2012 #72

i know. which is why the whole argument is ridiculous. dionysus Jun 2012 #73

You must be new Gman Jun 2012 #28

Right.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #58

At the very least they've got their priorities all screwed up Gman Jun 2012 #68

Just goes to show Democrats can be as ignorant as Republicans BEAU1943 Jun 2012 #30

ACA, for lack of a better word, is a pile of crap magic59 Jun 2012 #33

DOES NOTHING??! Do you know how many of those 50 million will now be covered by medicaid?? FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #43

Move? DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #77

The Insurance Industry Perpetual Profit Protection Act JoeyT Jun 2012 #34

HA! Great post. bigwillq Jun 2012 #36

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #76

Are you really that simple-minded? MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #108

While I agree that what we currently have is not what I had wished for the American people that need lonestarnot Jun 2012 #35

I am sorry to hear that your imagination is so limited. Laelth Jun 2012 #37

The Real Health Care Debate and why the ACA is Not a good policy. We lose if this reform passes crunch60 Jun 2012 #38

for the win, thank you! Myrina Jun 2012 #153

Without a public option, the ACA is financially unsustainable joeybee12 Jun 2012 #42

ACA is unsustainable... meaculpa2011 Jun 2012 #92

Agreed. Also, it will be easier to fix as an existing law than to start from scratch. DCBob Jun 2012 #45

Oh yeah, they'll fix it "later" dflprincess Jun 2012 #46

Seems ProSense Jun 2012 #47

Fixing it later is more likely to happen than starting over and getting public option. DCBob Jun 2012 #48

Given the "fix it later" track record dflprincess Jun 2012 #49

There have been many changes to existing legislation over the years. DCBob Jun 2012 #94

Just like they did with Social Security treestar Jun 2012 #60

Look at this post in my journal. The teabaggers are obstructionists. joshcryer Jun 2012 #69

It probably would have been if we GOTV in 2010 and the Tea Baggers didn't sabatoge it. joshcryer Jun 2012 #67

I don't understand why people Dokkie Jun 2012 #50

We can't change the past, trash it and try again = NEVER. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #53

I say its poison Dokkie Jun 2012 #64

The next draft is in 20 years. jeff47 Jun 2012 #84

Can I borrow your broad brush when you are done? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #51

How so? FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #55

Well I know more than just one nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #61

It's not a broad brush if I used the word "SOME". FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #138

all or nothing perfectionist types nt ecstatic Jun 2012 #54

Striving for perfection is a noble cause but even the Constitution has been amended 27x FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #56

like kissing the devil upi402 Jun 2012 #62

Does anyone remember Joe Lieberman got in the way of Medicare for all? flamingdem Jun 2012 #75

No mention of the 80% MLR in this entire thread. n/t yodermon Jun 2012 #82

Would get in the way of claiming the mandate is a gold mine. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2012 #85

And no mention of the Democrat Baucus having single payer advocates arrested hempoilworks Jun 2012 #95

This bill was written by the insurance companies. It is only insurance reform, which was needed,but still_one Jun 2012 #88

I was very disapointed with ACA, but I would never want it to go away without a ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #91

Overpriced underinsurance means that if you get seriously sick-- eridani Jun 2012 #93

Everyone on left sadly is not sane or nor racist marias23 Jun 2012 #96

My daughter revolution breeze Jun 2012 #97

Remember, you are talking about non-reality purists, or IOW, the left's version of the TeaRadicals. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #98

Wow: about non-reality purists, or IOW, the left's version of the TeaRadicals clang1 Jun 2012 #100

Scott Walker's famous words, "Divide and Conquer" crunch60 Jun 2012 #159

Further insults against people that should be your friends clang1 Jun 2012 #99

If the corporatists deem their own solution unconstitutional, all that's left is Single Payer. Marr Jun 2012 #103

Single Payer is not happening. Idealism gets us nothing at all. MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #110

Defeatist nonsense. Marr Jun 2012 #117

It's the Supreme Court approved Law of the Land. That's called realism. MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #172

LOL-- it was 5-4. Marr Jun 2012 #174

You can't stand it when the Supreme Court makes a fool of you, huh? MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #175

Huh? Marr Jun 2012 #179

Your math is wrong. bvar22 Jun 2012 #105

FarLeft...Could you or someone please answer a question for me... truth2power Jun 2012 #106

My twin boys are covered because of the ACA. Without it they aren't. Any questions? MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #112

That's not responsive to my question.... truth2power Jun 2012 #116

Yes, there are Sgent Jun 2012 #157

Thanks for answering my question.n/t truth2power Jun 2012 #162

Some people can't see past their own selfishness, Democrat and Republican. MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #107

It's sad and self defeating. All of this is n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #111

Not a fan of the law blackspade Jun 2012 #109

This is a ridiculous post. kenfrequed Jun 2012 #118

Yeah, it's almost funny. Marr Jun 2012 #119

It is why they don't win in places like, oh Wisconsin recently I'd say.... clang1 Jun 2012 #120

Any excuse to bash the left. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #156

Ah yes, let us embrace a Republican policy, since it was pushed by a Democratic president MadHound Jun 2012 #121

I want to see fixes/improvements Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #125

Yep n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #128

I'm torn on this. TeamPooka Jun 2012 #126

IMO Either everyone has it, or no one does clang1 Jun 2012 #130

You'd think the GOP business types... TeamPooka Jun 2012 #141

Really sort of a good point clang1 Jun 2012 #144

I don't want to see the whole bill struck down. Pab Sungenis Jun 2012 #129

After all this time, the misinformation about the ACA here is mind-boggling BenzoDia Jun 2012 #132

I agree. The mis-info IS mind-boggling. You are not forced to purchase anything like some believe FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #136

I can't believe that some Dems are cheering for the success of a Republican policy, MadHound Jun 2012 #134

I hardly think contributing taxes to a healthcare fund is a republican policy. Also... FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #135

Not me. But in all honesty, I am more worried that it would help Romney. Taverner Jun 2012 #137

I don't see it that way. I think if struck down people will feel we failed morally as a society. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #139

We've already failed morally as a society Taverner Jun 2012 #140

Ask them a question. drm604 Jun 2012 #142

B.I.N.G.O. Why such a cavalier attitude about death from those who purport to supprt revolution in patrice Jun 2012 #146

Or how many lives the purists are willing to sacrifice for purity. DCBob Jun 2012 #151

It's a band aid but I'll take it - TBF Jun 2012 #145

If the ACA is struck down, my brother will die. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #147

And there are thousands, maybe millions, of people like your brother. drm604 Jun 2012 #154

OMG that is so sad!! girl gone mad Jun 2012 #158

Defeating the MANDATE and keeping the rest of the reforms is IDEAL, besides grahamhgreen Jun 2012 #149

I wish that were an option but sadly it isnt. DCBob Jun 2012 #152

This is actually a right wing talking point, in the real world, grahamhgreen Jun 2012 #168

What's a "right wing talking point"? DCBob Jun 2012 #170

Republican policies don't suck less just becaues they become part of a Democratic plan. nt Raine Jun 2012 #155

it`s not as good as medicare for all but.... madrchsod Jun 2012 #163

Which has a guaranteed payout, unlike big insurance. grahamhgreen Jun 2012 #169