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mnhtnbb

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Mon Jan 9, 2017, 12:18 PM Jan 2017

Gaslighting--used by Conway to defend Trump against Streep--is an abusive technique of narcissists [View all]

I posted an explanation of gaslighting in a couple of threads and someone suggested I make it a thread of its own.

So, it's important to identify and understand the technique of gaslighting.

Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse used by narcissists in order to instill in their victim’s an extreme sense of anxiety and confusion to the point where they no longer trust their own memory, perception or judgment. The techniques used in “Gaslighting” by the narcissist are similar to those used in brainwashing, interrogation, and torture that have been used in psychological warfare by intelligence operative, law enforcement and other forces for decades.

The intention is to, in a systematic way, target the victim’s mental equilibrium, self confidence, and self esteem so that they are no longer able to function in an independent way. Gaslighting involves the abuser to frequently and systematically withhold factual information from the victim, and replacing it with false information. Because of it’s subtly, this cunning Machiavellian behaviour is a deeply insidious set of manipulations that is difficult for anybody to work out, and with time it finally undermines the mental stability of the victim. That is why it is such a dangerous form of abuse.


http://narcissisticbehavior.net/the-effects-of-gaslighting-in-narcissistic-victim-syndrome/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Conway has been on TV this morning denying that Trump mocked the reporter. He himself--not only in the NY Times interview, but also in his tweets-- denied it, too. Conway seems to think that we should "look in his heart". The way one determines what is "in someone's heart" is to observe what they do and what they say. Psychologists will tell you, that when you are dealing with abusers, narcissists, pathological liars, sociopaths, etc, that you need to "watch what they do, not what they say". In other words, watch the video of Trump using his body language to mock the reporter. That is the truth. Meryl Streep is a consummate actor--admired and respected by her peers and critics alike--and actors hone their craft by observing people. She knows what she saw. And so do the rest of us who are paying attention.

So, Conway denies the factual information (the video) and attempts to replace it with false information (what's in his heart). But, what's in his heart IS what he did on the video, which was to mock the reporter. See how the gaslighting definition fits?

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I truly don't know how she can live with herself - how she can square NRaleighLiberal Jan 2017 #1
Given her job, I suspect there aren't many dinner table chats. mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #2
yup. Melted yet where you are? 9 when I woke up NRaleighLiberal Jan 2017 #3
No. Our little dead end lane is all ice. mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #5
We're on a hill too but got cheated of a good snow Hortensis Jan 2017 #28
She's working hard to turn her children into Bettie Jan 2017 #6
It scares me that she has children JPPaverage Jan 2017 #14
Someone as morally bankrupt Bettie Jan 2017 #15
Don't forget that Kellyskank Spinway.... machoneman Jan 2017 #58
Yeah, it is interesting to see what she said about Orange boy Bettie Jan 2017 #64
she must be a sociopath. barbtries Jan 2017 #26
I think they gaslight themselves. I honestly think that Kellyanne and Donald believe Amaryllis Jan 2017 #46
she has always been a piece of shit JI7 Jan 2017 #48
Look in his heart... Freedomofspeech Jan 2017 #4
or maybe see The Wizard? mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #7
Maybe he can get a brain while he's there in the Emerald City too Docreed2003 Jan 2017 #19
Not to mention his courage NewJeffCT Jan 2017 #32
Serious replacement therapy required. Heart, brain, AND courage! mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #37
I dunno. Two fer? mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #36
Thanks for the tread! Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #8
It was a good suggestion. Thanks! mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #9
I appreciate learning about it. Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #10
Exactly. Gaslighting is intended to make you feel crazy, like you are losing your mind. mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #11
And it vicitmizes a nation. Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #12
It's called mental illness. Amaryllis Jan 2017 #47
Yes, it is. Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #70
That Trump still tries to defend his actions rather than apolgize rgbecker Jan 2017 #13
Or, leaders around the world realize he has mental instability Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #17
Oh Boy, mass starvation! rgbecker Jan 2017 #21
There are probably still a few patriotic Republicans left mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #33
Faux News, right wing hate radio, and a tepid MSM on other networks... LiberalLovinLug Jan 2017 #16
Or, "These aren't the droids that you're looking for!" colorado_ufo Jan 2017 #18
Read your in-thread post. Glad to see this OP. longship Jan 2017 #20
Yes. The movie provided the origin of the term "gaslighting". mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #34
I watched "Gas Light" last year because Click & Clack, the Tappit Brothers..... Jim Beard Jan 2017 #39
The scene near the end where she exposes him BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #43
Don't you want to shove a big cream pie in their faces when they lie? BSdetect Jan 2017 #22
No. I want to put a burlap bag over their heads, Texin Jan 2017 #25
Excellent article by Lauren Duca of Teen Vogue: "Donald Trump is Gaslighting America" Amaryllis Jan 2017 #23
definitely outstanding NewJeffCT Jan 2017 #38
I have to say it totally changed my perception of Teen Vogue. Lauren Duca is brilliantly perceptive. Amaryllis Jan 2017 #44
Excellent article. mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #40
What's in his heart is pure evil. lark Jan 2017 #24
Yep. When he's nice, he's acting....sociopaths and narcissists are charming, BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #31
I have heard her on the progressive Thom Hartmann show for years -- He debates conservatives Akamai Jan 2017 #27
Gaslight presidency......... Historic NY Jan 2017 #29
Excellent idea. mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #35
K&R Solly Mack Jan 2017 #30
Excellent malaise Jan 2017 #41
The RW has perfected propaganda techniques and this Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #42
If I cared about you and you thought Generator Jan 2017 #45
This and I am so tired of it, babylonsister Jan 2017 #49
Don't light a match near those assholes Blue Owl Jan 2017 #50
Heart of Stone Zambero Jan 2017 #51
Thanks for making this an OP... damn "gaslighting" just seems to fit. Cha Jan 2017 #52
It does fit. The aim of the gaslighter is to make the target lose confidence mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #54
fox screws with your brain certainly succeeded. Cha Jan 2017 #56
gaslighting works if you allow it to. Our press allows him Chimichurri Jan 2017 #53
That's why it is important for all of us to be aware of the technique mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #55
The definition doesn't fit melman Jan 2017 #57
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #60
I don't know melman Jan 2017 #65
I don't watch the cable news shows so I really have limited history mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #66
Elite playbook rpape Jan 2017 #72
mnhtnbb Diclotican Jan 2017 #59
What's in his heart...If you can assume that he has a heart. Stellar Jan 2017 #61
There are few things that I have in common with Meryl Streep TNNurse Jan 2017 #62
We're supposed to be psychic now! eShirl Jan 2017 #63
Having been through a divorce, I am ALL TOO FAMILIAR with this tactic, bullwinkle428 Jan 2017 #67
"Dig, it's like Gaslight" -- Lenny Bruce Nt Mc Mike Jan 2017 #68
Thanks for this excellent post. yardwork Jan 2017 #69
Very interesting. I always wonder what makes a narcissist tick. Initech Jan 2017 #71
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