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Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
108. So many elitists on DU that don't even have a scientific background
Sun Sep 11, 2016, 09:14 AM
Sep 2016

and didn't bother to read the article in length putting down people that are genuinely concerned and asking the right questions. Science is not an unwavering dogma carved in stones and asking questions is always a good thing because that is the core of science.

The article was well balanced and here is some excerpts about it:

"]According to MIT scientist Dr. Stephanie Seneff, "Glyphosate could easily be present in vaccines due to the fact that certain vaccine viruses including measles in MMR and flu are grown on gelatin derived from the ligaments of pigs fed heavy doses of glyphosate in their GMO feed. Gelatin comes from collagen which has lots of glycine. Livestock feed is allowed to have up to 400 PPM [parts per million] of glyphosate residues by the EPA, thousands of times higher than has been shown to cause harm in numerous studies."

This points out how could glyphosate can be found in vaccines and what the accepted levels are according to the EPA.


"French scientist and glyphosate expert Gilles-Eric Séralini has shown in his research that glyphosate is never used alone. It is always used with adjuvants (co-formulants/other chemicals) and he has found those adjuvants to make Roundup 1,000 times more toxic. The detection of glyphosate in vaccines with this methodology would indicate the presence of other co-formulants which are also toxic."

This is a concern and people have the right to ask tough questions.

Our understanding is not resolute which is why the levels of lead exposure that we have found acceptable to the human body has changed constantly over time, because the science changes and our technology improves as we learn more.



And? linuxman Sep 2016 #1
This is the 3rd time they've used the same fucked up lab Major Nikon Sep 2016 #6
Maybe you don't want an herbicide/pesticide injected into your body - Duh! womanofthehills Sep 2016 #12
Don't use any dollar bills. You are likely to get addicted to cocaine by your logic (see post #9).nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #15
Cocaine is not being injected to my body - bad analogy womanofthehills Sep 2016 #45
Yes it is. You absorb it through your skin from 9 out of 10 paper money bills. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #47
Your comments in this post really speak to a lack of Scientific knowledge. stevenleser Sep 2016 #125
+1,000 nt okaawhatever Sep 2016 #182
It gets even better Major Nikon Sep 2016 #185
But homeopathically, the stuff is lethal...nt SidDithers Sep 2016 #191
Looks like "Mom's Across America" is using the same fucked up pseudoscience lab Major Nikon Sep 2016 #2
And?? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2016 #3
Oh ffs Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #4
Junk Science Botany Sep 2016 #5
Do you have any idea how little .123 parts per billion is? LeftyMom Sep 2016 #7
8 times that much is 1 drop of water in an olympic sized swimming pool Major Nikon Sep 2016 #10
You mean it's not going to kill bermuda grass? LeftyMom Sep 2016 #13
Diluted at the rate of 1 drop per 8 olympic sized swimming pools, probably not Major Nikon Sep 2016 #38
Water has a memory Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #22
you win this thread. La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2016 #129
LMAO n/t trotsky Sep 2016 #200
Vaccines cause autism Major Nikon Sep 2016 #8
No. Your scientist says vaccines DO NOT cause autism. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #14
Correct. The post was intended to show the same source as the OP is a dipshit anti-vax site Major Nikon Sep 2016 #39
Maybe Robert F. Kennedy won lots of vaccine injury lawsuits womanofthehills Sep 2016 #65
He's an anti-vaxxer, so it's not surprising that he's your hero Major Nikon Sep 2016 #66
lol -nt Bradical79 Sep 2016 #178
Same bogus kind of statistic as cocaine on dollar bills. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #9
My god! Don't those people know they are swinning in industial solvent?!? LongtimeAZDem Sep 2016 #88
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Sep 2016 #11
Vaccine ingredients - latex, mercury, formaldehyde, egg, antiobiotics, dog kidney cells , aluminum womanofthehills Sep 2016 #16
Wackadoo woo MohRokTah Sep 2016 #17
The US flu vaccines are made by about 8 different companies with different formulas womanofthehills Sep 2016 #18
Please stop spreading anti-vaxxer woo. eom MohRokTah Sep 2016 #19
Time magazine - Some people may get a new flu shot that’s made with dog cells womanofthehills Sep 2016 #40
What is anti-science about listing flu shot ingredients? womanofthehills Sep 2016 #20
When your list is complete anti-vaxxer woo. eom MohRokTah Sep 2016 #21
CDC list of vaccine ingredients - How is the list WOO - it's just a fact womanofthehills Sep 2016 #51
Did you know high concentrations of table salt and sugar have antibiotic qualities? Essential oils uppityperson Sep 2016 #148
Nothing. Your CONCLUSIONs are anti-science. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #23
You have choices - you can choose a vaccine without mercury womanofthehills Sep 2016 #34
You have choices. You can stop eating. You can become a Breatharian. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #36
You now can choose a clean vaccine womanofthehills Sep 2016 #82
You misspelled two of your scary ingredients. LeftyMom Sep 2016 #91
But "antiobiotics, alluminum" are really scary uppityperson Sep 2016 #149
You also have a choice not to be an anti-vaxxer Major Nikon Sep 2016 #42
Or I could be a pro-vaxxer but want a cleaner flu vaccine womanofthehills Sep 2016 #54
No, you just want to scaremonger while simultaneously claiming not to be an anti-vaxxer Major Nikon Sep 2016 #55
My children and grandchildren have had all their childhood vaccines womanofthehills Sep 2016 #62
You do realize getting the actual flu is a much bigger risk with GBS, right? Major Nikon Sep 2016 #69
You are MUCH more likely to get GBS from having the flu than any vx uppityperson Sep 2016 #150
Let me guess... GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #180
The injuries are not due to the ingredients unless the person is allergic tymorial Sep 2016 #137
The best way to avoid a vx injury is get it in a clinic from a nurse who knows how to safely give vx uppityperson Sep 2016 #152
Antivax shitpost. nt Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #171
Another example of anti-vax nonsense from one of our resident anti-vaxxers Major Nikon Sep 2016 #41
I'm not an anti-vaxxer, BUT.... Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #52
People are so uninformed - they don't even know there are 12 different flu vaccines this season womanofthehills Sep 2016 #63
"People are so uninformed" Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #193
So we are not to discuss any problems with vaccines - zero discussion allowed womanofthehills Sep 2016 #71
Actually, the problem with this sort of discussion Cal Carpenter Sep 2016 #147
I've yet to meet an anti-vaxxer who admits they are anti-vax. MohRokTah Sep 2016 #56
Post #54 Major Nikon Sep 2016 #59
Look at this list of vaccine injuries in babies - most are from the flu vaccine womanofthehills Sep 2016 #61
Just more proof you have no clue about cause and effect Major Nikon Sep 2016 #64
Other countries can sue pharma and they have changed some of their vaccines to make them safer womanofthehills Sep 2016 #70
Jebus, you trot out the right wing loon, Mercola and now the right wing loon, Jeffry Aufderheide Major Nikon Sep 2016 #74
It really doesn't matter about the link - it's a fact - Japan now gives measles, mumps and rubella womanofthehills Sep 2016 #80
Sure, just a coincidence your get your "facts" from anti-vax right wing loons Major Nikon Sep 2016 #84
I see 2 in there that indicate improper administration. Infants get shots not in their shoulder but uppityperson Sep 2016 #154
Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #75
You can thank biotech and GMO Major Nikon Sep 2016 #92
I think it's a big step in the right direction womanofthehills Sep 2016 #119
Agreed. GMO has all sorts of tangible benefits Major Nikon Sep 2016 #121
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MohRokTah Sep 2016 #94
You post YouTube cartoons? Mr Maru Sep 2016 #95
Never eat at a restaurant! They use aluminum pots and more of that gets into food! . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #24
are you really suggesting people shouldnt vaccinate their kids? Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #25
I'm suggesting people look at the different flu vaccine and make an educated choice womanofthehills Sep 2016 #26
"Educated choice" Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #29
To her it means education from quacks and cranks Major Nikon Sep 2016 #46
Add another loon to the list Major Nikon Sep 2016 #77
You actually have a choice of about 15 vaccines including the pure Flublock womanofthehills Sep 2016 #81
Educated = choice based upon the woo narrative tymorial Sep 2016 #140
Right, but that's not the proper definition of educated. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #172
Oh I absolutely agree tymorial Sep 2016 #174
oh, but you're talking about more than just the flu vaccine, aren't you. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #30
Not really, the childhood vaccines are very safe now womanofthehills Sep 2016 #73
So the list in post #16 only applies to the annual flu vaccine, then. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #78
Childhood vaccines have a good safety record compared to flu vaccines womanofthehills Sep 2016 #83
You are parroting out more anti-vax nonsense Major Nikon Sep 2016 #106
Dog kidney cells?! More vaccines made in a lab mathematic Sep 2016 #28
No, not "dog". Cocker spaniels! uppityperson Sep 2016 #37
Actually I don't know why Novartis picked Cocker Spaniels womanofthehills Sep 2016 #67
It's a cell line, not "female cocker spaniels". The cell line was started in 1958. LeftyMom Sep 2016 #89
Actually it's a cell line from a cocker spaniel in 1958. You do know they grew vxs in horse serum, uppityperson Sep 2016 #144
Yeah, as opposed to using chicken embryos Major Nikon Sep 2016 #53
Actually it's a new different process womanofthehills Sep 2016 #79
None of them contain any fucking latex in the medication itself. LeftyMom Sep 2016 #86
Except you're an anti-vaxxer that prefers to promote right wing anti-vax sites to vaccines Major Nikon Sep 2016 #90
...So you're switching antibiotics for a GMO? Lancero Sep 2016 #96
Now you prefer to inject yourself with a vx made with GMOs? uppityperson Sep 2016 #146
That glass of water on my table Sgent Sep 2016 #58
Evidence and reality are just technicalities that can be easily avoided if one tries hard enough Major Nikon Sep 2016 #60
Woooooooo.... Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #27
you kind of knew eventually these two deals would hook up. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #31
They'll be hanging with the flat-earthers and global warming denialists in no time. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #32
No, they've been that way all along Major Nikon Sep 2016 #57
I think I've been subjected to that wisdom once or twice Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #76
oh, and do not forget GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #181
Same. nt Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #194
Separate groups. immoderate Sep 2016 #33
Not according to article in the OP. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #35
Rarely yes Major Nikon Sep 2016 #48
Not really, they have a tendency to congregate together, you should check out the... Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #126
See the Time Magazine article above - and CDC info below - Madin-Darby Canine Kidney womanofthehills Sep 2016 #44
Yeah, nice job of editing the Time article by adding emphasis where there was none Major Nikon Sep 2016 #49
It's obvious you have NO idea what you're talking about. Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2016 #50
Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #97
Sometimes stupidity has it's own level of toxicity Major Nikon Sep 2016 #102
This is not "anti-vaxxer shitbaggery" PatSeg Sep 2016 #132
Which is equally as nutty, but do go on with your bad self... Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #138
Thank you for enlightening me PatSeg Sep 2016 #143
I have a question, can you give a mechanism of action describing how glyphosate is dangerous... Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #151
Because you are really interested? PatSeg Sep 2016 #153
Curious, mostly, I mean, I would be happy to change my mind if actual evidence was presented. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #159
Okay, I'm sorry PatSeg Sep 2016 #161
Your civility is as broad as is your relevant knowledge. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #196
I find civility is wasted on the alt-reality crowd. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #199
ok still_one Sep 2016 #43
From that Science Based Medicine article radical noodle Sep 2016 #85
Glyphosate is less toxic than table salt or household vinegar Major Nikon Sep 2016 #93
Are you sure you don't mean dihydrogen monoxide? Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #98
... Major Nikon Sep 2016 #100
How do they get the level this low? Cicada Sep 2016 #68
The lab that the crank site, "Mom's Across America" uses isn't certified Major Nikon Sep 2016 #72
Agreed, Roundup is in everything now womanofthehills Sep 2016 #87
So is hydric acid Major Nikon Sep 2016 #101
I am so very tired of woo tymorial Sep 2016 #99
Anti "glyphosate" PatSeg Sep 2016 #133
Give me a break. tymorial Sep 2016 #135
Woo Hoo to You Too! PatSeg Sep 2016 #141
Does this mean another year ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #103
Anti-vaxxers at DU should be treated the same as chemtrailers...nt SidDithers Sep 2016 #104
Yup ismnotwasm Sep 2016 #105
Chemtrail stupidity never killed anyone Major Nikon Sep 2016 #107
Yup. Agschmid Sep 2016 #110
Same level of ignorance ... but anti-vax nonsense poses a clear and present danger ... etherealtruth Sep 2016 #127
I wish. Starry Messenger Sep 2016 #165
Or birthers -nt Bradical79 Sep 2016 #179
So many elitists on DU that don't even have a scientific background Harmony Blue Sep 2016 #108
Seneff and Seralini are both crank magnet quacks who make their living peddling pseudoscience Major Nikon Sep 2016 #109
Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #114
The IARC specifically rejected Seralini's research as complete shit Major Nikon Sep 2016 #122
You cite Seneff AND Seralini? Archae Sep 2016 #115
Give me a break - Seralini's study was exactly the same as Monsanto's only way way longer womanofthehills Sep 2016 #118
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Sep 2016 #128
Anyone referencing Seralini has no business questioning the scientific background of DU posters...nt SidDithers Sep 2016 #123
i do have a scientific background and fearmongering is not science. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2016 #130
Woo posts belong in Creative Speculation and nowhere else. SwankyXomb Sep 2016 #131
And asbestos as well PatSeg Sep 2016 #134
"Elitists", you mean people who actually know a thing or two about chemistry and biology? Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #136
Yeah right PatSeg Sep 2016 #142
From what I can tell, you fail high school level science with the BS you spout... Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #145
I really don't know how you PatSeg Sep 2016 #156
I'm basing it on all your past posting history, not just this thread. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #158
I will abstain PatSeg Sep 2016 #160
Actually I have nothing to be afraid of with my posting history, here, do you want help? Humanist_Activist Sep 2016 #162
Ha, ha! PatSeg Sep 2016 #164
I don't. Who do you mean by "elitist"? uppityperson Sep 2016 #163
I'm sorry PatSeg Sep 2016 #166
Aha, thank you, I appreciate it. Nt uppityperson Sep 2016 #167
Who do you mean by "elitists"? uppityperson Sep 2016 #168
It makes sense, as many vaccines are made with eggs - and glyphosate levels in eggs are higher womanofthehills Sep 2016 #111
You also think right wing loons make sense Major Nikon Sep 2016 #112
You are the one who seems to have a problem with all the progressive sites womanofthehills Sep 2016 #116
Sure, "all" of them Major Nikon Sep 2016 #120
Their science is as bad as their editing. Merck, not Merk, Novartis, not Novaris. RayOfHope Sep 2016 #113
Wait, they misspelled the vaccines in the article? uppityperson Sep 2016 #157
They misspelled the names of two of the manufacturers, Merck and Novartis. RayOfHope Sep 2016 #175
Same nutbag claimed organic food cures autism, fibromyaglia, and Crohn's Major Nikon Sep 2016 #186
It is mighty elitist GulfCoast66 Sep 2016 #183
Using ELISA for this kind of work, and then releasing the results publicly? Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #117
lolz obamanut2012 Sep 2016 #124
Woo site. Odin2005 Sep 2016 #139
wow zappaman Sep 2016 #155
And in everything else, too. MineralMan Sep 2016 #169
Here is just another leg in the Monsanto regime that won't work nolabels Sep 2016 #170
Science just has to evolve too Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #177
You can observe weed adaptations by just mowing your lawn Major Nikon Sep 2016 #184
Actually grass is the reason we walk mostly on our hind legs nolabels Sep 2016 #189
Had we not developed intelligence we would still be living in trees throwing our shit at each other Major Nikon Sep 2016 #195
We never got to choose what that environment was and we adapted to most of them nolabels Sep 2016 #198
It's no doubt found in infants' amniotic fluid and mothers' breast milk as well. Your point? Hekate Sep 2016 #173
and our kids don't have weeds Enrique Sep 2016 #176
Does this mean we can lump all the anti-vax and GMO hysteria threads together now? msanthrope Sep 2016 #187
For the love of Athena... anti-vaxxers need to learn what the term trace means! Nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2016 #188
So, it's Dorian Gray Sep 2016 #190
Aiiiiiiiieeeeee!!! progressoid Sep 2016 #192
Willful ignorance is a scary thing Blecht Sep 2016 #197
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