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Reply to HuckleB (Reply #245)

Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:53 PM

Jun 2016

it very clear that you are one of the typical egotistical types who frequent this place. Pseudo intellectual.

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Neil DeGrasse Tyson Tells Bill Maher That Anti-Science Liberals Are Full of Shit Too [View all] cleanhippie Jun 2016 OP

Once again, I am standing with Neil DeGrasse Tyson. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1

Only a fool wouldn't. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #2

You and me and... PJMcK Jun 2016 #22

+ infinity etherealtruth Jun 2016 #81

Neil DeGrasse Tyson speaks for me wyldwolf Jun 2016 #3

He is not saying "all" liberals are anti science. He pointed out a particular part of the liberal Lint Head Jun 2016 #4

Yes, that's right. Was that ever in question? cleanhippie Jun 2016 #6

And all the other Chicken Littles - perhaps 80% of them jtuck004 Jun 2016 #10

True point PJMcK Jun 2016 #24

but importantly, that strand of thought is hardly limite to liberals! Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #41

For some, there are only two good kinds of science: Evolution and Climate Change FrodosPet Jun 2016 #43

You forgot about astronomical science is bad because it offends volcano spirits Fumesucker Jun 2016 #72

That's opposition to corporate power, not science nxylas Jun 2016 #88

Criticizing corporations for bad practices is good. HuckleB Jun 2016 #195

Monsanto's defenders often conflate the two, though nxylas Jun 2016 #202

Nice strawman. HuckleB Jun 2016 #203

Ha, ha, ha!!! PatSeg Jun 2016 #240

"Those who question." HuckleB Jun 2016 #242

Well PatSeg Jun 2016 #246

You keep telling yourself that. HuckleB Jun 2016 #247

Once again PatSeg Jun 2016 #248

I understand that you hold your religious beliefs very tightly. HuckleB Jun 2016 #249

You know PatSeg Jun 2016 #310

So you admit that you don't read the content of the posts of pro-science posters. HuckleB Jun 2016 #313

On the contrary PatSeg Jun 2016 #325

Don't BOMB THE MOON!!!1111!!! GoneOffShore Jun 2016 #90

I'll get right on it FrodosPet Jun 2016 #93

And for some, logical fallacies such as Denying the Antecedent is also good LanternWaste Jun 2016 #268

NDT rocks! Thanks, CH. Big K&R. bvf Jun 2016 #5

Science is my religon & Darwin is it's prophet. GOLGO 13 Jun 2016 #7

Science is my religon & Darwin is it's prophet. AlbertCat Jun 2016 #13

Science isn't a religion PJMcK Jun 2016 #28

Aaaaand that's how & why science is foolishly applied to questions it cannot answer. NT MisterFred Jun 2016 #198

And he's correct! nt MrScorpio Jun 2016 #8

As he usually is. And his delivery works, too. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #9

Yup, what he says is true IronLionZion Jun 2016 #11

I think what is most frustrating, especially with Liberals, is that despite the evidence... cleanhippie Jun 2016 #12

It's the smug hypocrisy that gets me. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #20

So nice The Polack MSgt Jun 2016 #36

People who smugly claim to be smart while others are stupid IronLionZion Jun 2016 #99

Sometimes we aggressively tear people down for their beliefs because those beliefs are dangerous. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #112

Yeah but people do get autism IronLionZion Jun 2016 #115

Yes, and then they refuse to vaccinate their kids in the future, and try to convince other... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #123

Quotable: jonno99 Jun 2016 #227

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #135

Spoken like a science denier. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #136

The woo can be strong on the Left. nt by msanthrope Jun 2016 #14

At times, infuriatingly so! cleanhippie Jun 2016 #15

As the mother of a child with autism, this board can sometimes be tiresome. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #18

As a father of a child under the spectrum, I agree. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #21

If it can be destroyed by the truth, then it should be Major Nikon Jun 2016 #16

That applies to so much more than anti-science as well...Religion is another problem area. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #17

Religion is inherently anti-science Major Nikon Jun 2016 #27

I disagree. I learned about Evolution and the universe's true age in Catholic school AllTooEasy Jun 2016 #169

It's also true that a number of Jesuits have made significant contributions to science Major Nikon Jun 2016 #172

You have not demonstrated that religion and science are compatible. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #226

Anti-science people altogether are full of shit, end of story... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #19

The term anti-science is what's full of shit... lame54 Jun 2016 #25

Agreed PatSeg Jun 2016 #31

Yep. Lack of proof of a connection is different from proof of a lack of a connection. I am all for GoneFishin Jun 2016 #65

Tyson lost me on the GMO thing, why should I believe a physicist about GMOs? A Simple Game Jun 2016 #209

Argumentum ad populum alp227 Jun 2016 #223

You said that so well PatSeg Jun 2016 #239

The science of Europe agrees with Tyson. HuckleB Jun 2016 #241

When one rejects the science on a subject, one is considered anti-science. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #32

and that's a useless blanket statement... lame54 Jun 2016 #35

Anyone can say anything, doesn't make it factual. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #38

The words "on that subject" never, ever, ever follow that term... lame54 Jun 2016 #42

I think that that is implied. To think otherwise is just being contrary. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #46

it's not implied... lame54 Jun 2016 #47

The path of least resistance is usually best. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #49

kinda like bowing out of this talk... lame54 Jun 2016 #52

Which is what exactly? cleanhippie Jun 2016 #53

that not agreeing with one issue does not... lame54 Jun 2016 #63

But "on that subject" is what this discussion is about. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #69

Agreed elljay Jun 2016 #70

All of that is worthy of discussion. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #71

Everything you've said about GMO is also true of every other plant breeding method Major Nikon Jun 2016 #187

True of every other method, really? When you can cross breed a fish and a tomato plant A Simple Game Jun 2016 #210

Context matters to some. YMMV. Major Nikon Jun 2016 #212

Sorry, after rereading I see my mistake about your post. But as long as I'm here... A Simple Game Jun 2016 #221

I'm more than happy to discuss those issues Major Nikon Jun 2016 #224

To say a plant that produces insecticides is "no different" from one that doesn't... immoderate Jun 2016 #80

First off, a lot of plants produce insecticides, many of which you eat, and they are natural... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #83

So, you subscribe to an alternate definition of "no different." immoderate Jun 2016 #87

No different from a safety standpoint. Call it a flippant use of words, but no more than that... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #91

Where you say 'irrelevant' I would say 'untested.' immoderate Jun 2016 #94

Why should there be? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #95

The studies cited do not fulfill the requirements for long term. immoderate Jun 2016 #97

Huh, what does that have to do with GMOs? Why are you changing the subject? n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #100

I followed links you cited. They SAY they are about GMOs. immoderate Jun 2016 #103

I can't follow your link walk, where is this study about antibiotics and why is it inadequate? n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #106

Most GMO "safety studies" wind up with a bunch of feed lot studies. immoderate Jun 2016 #107

Why would more rigorous studies be necessary? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #109

Animal testing with controls would be good. Real tests on animals are very rare. immoderate Jun 2016 #117

How do you differentiate between "real" tests and what is already done? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #120

Long term, controlled, etc., not feed lot statistics. immoderate Jun 2016 #127

But what long term effects could occur? Even in the BT corn... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #128

You say "nothing can happen" and I say, something might happen. immoderate Jun 2016 #139

Because we know what's in the plants in question? Its not that complicated. n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #140

Have you ever bothered to consider the term "plausibility?" HuckleB Jun 2016 #171

Have you ever met a mutation bred organism you didn't like? immoderate Jun 2016 #173

And the dodge response. HuckleB Jun 2016 #180

Are there any other kind? Major Nikon Jun 2016 #188

How is this any different from non-GMO? Other than there's less testing. Major Nikon Jun 2016 #121

Hell, supplements and "alternative medicine" herbalism isn't tested hardly at all... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #125

That's assuming that your bottle of St. John's Wort actually contains St. John's Wort... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #149

Hmm. You didn't get an answer. HuckleB Jun 2016 #207

What? cleanhippie Jun 2016 #257

Law of identity. immoderate Jun 2016 #261

You've lost me. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #262

OK. Short version. I don't think there is evidence to declare that GMO foods are safe. immoderate Jun 2016 #265

Which GMOs and why? Is there a specific trait or expressed, modified gene that you find problematic? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #271

Can't name them. Don't have to. There may not be any. immoderate Jun 2016 #276

This is precisely the closed mind mindset of denialists. Evidence means nothing to you... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #284

You have evidence? Not feed lot studies? immoderate Jun 2016 #287

Why aren't the feedlot studies enough? Teflon is a novel substance... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #293

Feedlot studies are not scientific. immoderate Jun 2016 #302

Here's an example, can you give any reason to test sugar produced from... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #306

First, are feed lot studies scientific? immoderate Jun 2016 #308

I'm on a facebook Science Enthusiasts group Lunabell Jun 2016 #178

In this case, you missed the boat. HuckleB Jun 2016 #182

No, I understand the science as put forth by corporate paid labs. Lunabell Jun 2016 #183

No, you choose to pretend that's all the science available. HuckleB Jun 2016 #189

Being skeptical and science denial are two separate things. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #309

When one encounters PatSeg Jun 2016 #105

The weight of evidence isn't the same for every study, some are outright fraudulent... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #110

Then one compares the conflicting evidence to see which is most accurate. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #113

Legitimate studies require conflict of interest disclosures Major Nikon Jun 2016 #130

Yeah right PatSeg Jun 2016 #134

So who do you trust? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #137

No I haven't and you know it PatSeg Jun 2016 #142

Define open-minded, because to me, its following the evidence wherever it may lead... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #144

Well you don't know me PatSeg Jun 2016 #152

All studies should be suspect and nobody should be given blanket trust Major Nikon Jun 2016 #148

Once again PatSeg Jun 2016 #153

The same can be said for half fast accusations you can't begin to support Major Nikon Jun 2016 #154

Likewise PatSeg Jun 2016 #157

Not quite Major Nikon Jun 2016 #167

P.S. PatSeg Jun 2016 #156

You don't have to reject the science on the subject to be anti-GMO. nt MisterFred Jun 2016 #199

Why not? HuckleB Jun 2016 #205

Well MisterFred Jun 2016 #270

Actually, you assertion isn't true... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #272

Nope. MisterFred Jun 2016 #273

Benbrook's debunked "study" doesn't change all the other studies, never mind the meta analysis. HuckleB Jun 2016 #275

I don't read science blogs. MisterFred Jun 2016 #279

In other words, you don't want to know the reality. HuckleB Jun 2016 #281

I don't see it that way. MisterFred Jun 2016 #286

Thank you for confirming that your focus is finding cherry picked individual claims... HuckleB Jun 2016 #288

Claims? That it's easily proven there are some. MisterFred Jun 2016 #289

There are many places where you can actually discuss all of these with actual scientists. HuckleB Jun 2016 #292

Thank you for the links. MisterFred Jun 2016 #295

Those science blogs generally link to other studies and meta-analysis, single studies... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #283

I'm going to ask you the same question I asked HuckleB MisterFred Jun 2016 #290

Most of this is outside of my expertise, so I have no problems referring to primary sources and... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #299

Thank you. MisterFred Jun 2016 #303

You do know DDT is still used, mostly for Malarial reduction... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #305

Yes, I know. MisterFred Jun 2016 #307

Well, you are repeating anti-GMO mantras, but they're not based in science. HuckleB Jun 2016 #274

Big Organic. Seriously? MisterFred Jun 2016 #277

I already posted other research, including a meta analysis, that shows his claims are off base. HuckleB Jun 2016 #278

No, you didn't. MisterFred Jun 2016 #280

You seem to forget that meta analysis, for starters. HuckleB Jun 2016 #282

Relooking through your sources. MisterFred Jun 2016 #294

So, when you want to dismiss things, you'll go to the easiest way to do it. HuckleB Jun 2016 #296

You don't check your sources for obvious flaws. MisterFred Jun 2016 #297

I check the sources for the accuracy of their content. You don't. HuckleB Jun 2016 #315

Don't presume my motives. MisterFred Jun 2016 #323

Also, I have no actual content to debunk. MisterFred Jun 2016 #298

You keep telling yourself that. HuckleB Jun 2016 #322

I gave you quite a run-down of your sources. MisterFred Jun 2016 #324

Then one is being intentionally obtuse and extremely irrational. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #216

Actually, since no science supports being anti-GMO, it does. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #259

Incorrect. MisterFred Jun 2016 #269

Not being convinced of something is one thing Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #39

you are completely missing my point lame54 Jun 2016 #44

just as you have missed mine, so I guess we're all good Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #51

It depends on why one isn't convinced, is it for ideological reasons or evidentiary reasons? Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #55

Correction - Oneironaut Jun 2016 #141

Exactly, and in the process, they close their minds to anything that may challenge their beliefs. nt Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #145

Actually, it does Corporate666 Jun 2016 #147

I think that depends. Adrahil Jun 2016 #332

GMO's are not illegal... lame54 Jun 2016 #23

It is the same science Texano78704 Jun 2016 #126

We just want GMO's LABELLED. They are used to sue organic farmers, and that too is BS. grahamhgreen Jun 2016 #162

I would like that too, but, I can understand why the industry doesn't Gore1FL Jun 2016 #164

GMOs are not used to sue organic farmers. HuckleB Jun 2016 #170

Every time the story gets told, it gets a little taller Major Nikon Jun 2016 #186

Tall tales and straw men. HuckleB Jun 2016 #204

Yes. They sue for patent infringement when their genes are found in other plants grahamhgreen Jun 2016 #311

No, they don't. HuckleB Jun 2016 #312

Link: grahamhgreen Jun 2016 #314

A farmer tried to sue his neighbor. Your link is bogus BS. HuckleB Jun 2016 #316

More: grahamhgreen Jun 2016 #317

You actually think anything RT posts not a conspiracy theory? HuckleB Jun 2016 #318

Ad hominem attack. Kill the messenger. Invalid argument. You lose: grahamhgreen Jun 2016 #319

You were just debunked, again. HuckleB Jun 2016 #320

All of those trials and issues were with farmers breaking contracts. HuckleB Jun 2016 #321

Kick for NDT and reality! HuckleB Jun 2016 #26

It's all in our heads The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #29

There's so much wrong with your post, I don't even know where to begin. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #40

Allowing me to wallow in ignorance The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #57

More like allowing you to marinate. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #66

From my personal experience, GMO hysteria appears to be a bipartisan phenomeon. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2016 #30

It's not just your experience polling data has shown this too. It's not that liberals are immune to Johonny Jun 2016 #34

The liberal left has it's own version of global warming denial... hunter Jun 2016 #33

TRUE science is never "settled". mackdaddy Jun 2016 #37

Don't erect a strawman of science just to try to validate woo, woo is a specific term... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #59

Well said!! GaYellowDawg Jun 2016 #76

Best comment of the thread PatSeg Jun 2016 #143

The response to that comment was actually very good. HuckleB Jun 2016 #146

No PatSeg Jun 2016 #150

Yes, it does. HuckleB Jun 2016 #151

Big k/r! Orrex Jun 2016 #45

science allows for reasonable doubts about the safety of vaccines and GMOs Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #48

What reasonable doubts? The evidence in-hand should remove that from a rational thinker. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #50

vaccines do have side-effects and alter the immune system Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #56

Not sure why you even bothered to mention "altering the immune system" every disease alters the... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #89

the point is, by activating the immune system with a vaccine, Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #333

The point is that you are basically speculating about potential problems, and failed to point... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #336

Sure, I don't disagree, except about glyphosate-- Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #338

Exactly GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #86

To reiterate, what reasonable doubts? And what evidence? n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #54

there are vaccines that are not used widely because the side-effects are more frequent Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #58

Uhm, not sure how that is relevant, no one is saying all vaccines should be used... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #64

Theoretical science is a conservative and constantly evolving methodology that adjusts to discovery. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #61

True, but I thought Madame Curie died of cancer from the radium Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #62

You are correct. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #67

Yes indeed. Orrex Jun 2016 #73

define "unsafe" Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #131

... Orrex Jun 2016 #133

they were determined to be "unsafe by science", by medical studies Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #159

That's a foolish definition of "safe" Orrex Jun 2016 #160

Ok, so you admit that vaccines are not perfectly harmless? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #196

No one in history has claimed that vaccines are perfectly harmless. Orrex Jun 2016 #206

I was trying to clarify what we were talking about, what "safe" meant Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #214

How is that possible? Orrex Jun 2016 #222

I was using one definition of safe. Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #250

Regardless, your definition of vaccine safety is absurd Orrex Jun 2016 #264

I agree with most of your points and I never said I was anti-vaccine Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #334

not true, as I posted above Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #328

But let's not forget that your definition of "safe" is absurd Orrex Jun 2016 #329

my point was that "safe" is relative Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #330

Let's remind the reader of your absurd definition: Orrex Jun 2016 #331

that was one definition of safety I put out there for the sake of argument Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #335

Indeed science does. However, reasonable doubts have not been raised. GaYellowDawg Jun 2016 #75

Scientists across the world evaluated GMOs and vaccines... backscatter712 Jun 2016 #285

Careful with the "anti-left-bs" BS... modestybl Jun 2016 #60

Let's break this down: Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #74

You have a leaking heart valve. Take two stalks of celery and call me in the morning. Major Nikon Jun 2016 #208

Exactly, its ridiculous, and they push this "doctors are just pill pushers" meme, and yes... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #236

Prevention and treatment are both important in their own ways Major Nikon Jun 2016 #237

Settled science is an oxymoron. bemildred Jun 2016 #68

Not really. The fact that biological evolution occurred is settled science. yellowcanine Jun 2016 #77

Details are what matters. nt bemildred Jun 2016 #79

If we can't agree that some things are "settled science" it gives the anti-science folks an opening yellowcanine Jun 2016 #82

Right, so we should be dogmatic like them. Good strategy. bemildred Jun 2016 #84

No, "Settled Science" is not dogma. It is the acceptance of overwhelming evidence. yellowcanine Jun 2016 #96

If it's so overwhelming, why doesn't everybody accept it? nt bemildred Jun 2016 #98

Because not everyone is convinced by evidence, they have faith, and ideologies they need to... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #101

And what did I say? nt bemildred Jun 2016 #102

Let's use gravity as an example. It's a theory. Theory is the best you get in science Gore1FL Jun 2016 #197

Yes, but it does make the theory a belief. bemildred Jun 2016 #211

You are confusing hypothesis and theory Gore1FL Jun 2016 #215

No I am not. bemildred Jun 2016 #217

Yes, you are. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #218

I'll just leave this here: Gore1FL Jun 2016 #232

A video. bemildred Jun 2016 #243

Richard P. Feynman isn't good enough fo you then you are unconvincable. Gore1FL Jun 2016 #253

Neil DeGrasse Tyson is my hero Hekate Jun 2016 #78

Watching that segment was painful Il_Coniglietto Jun 2016 #85

Conflating issues--there's science, then there are (greedy) pharmaceutical firms ecstatic Jun 2016 #92

Cognitive dissonance exists on both sides... qdouble Jun 2016 #104

I don't see how following the scientific consensus, when one exists, is a fallacy... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #111

It is a fallacy... qdouble Jun 2016 #114

Only if you blindly follow it, and yes there are problems with the practice of publishing... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #116

Yeah, I mean, we can both agree that there are people who blindly dismiss studies and consensus qdouble Jun 2016 #118

I guess that is true, but it really does depend on what you are criticizing, and.. Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #119

Well I will agree with you there, that most of the time disagreeing with the consensus or a study is qdouble Jun 2016 #122

That's the thing, when advocacy groups run away with ONE study, as if it were definitive... Humanist_Activist Jun 2016 #124

Knowing when to question individual studies, and when to acknowledge consensus are both important. HuckleB Jun 2016 #235

Meh. The right *are* worse - the writer is wrong, and DeGrasse Tyson tends that way muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #108

The weight of evidence on GMO is massive Major Nikon Jun 2016 #132

When it comes to vaccines Maher isn't ant-science, he's just pro-stupid. GoneOffShore Jun 2016 #129

He's right. Only caveat I would add is, we shouldnt lump together "alternative medicine" Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #138

Alternative medicine is that which has no efficacy over a placebo proven by the scientific method Major Nikon Jun 2016 #190

Fair enough. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #191

Walgreens also sells homeoquackery Major Nikon Jun 2016 #192

right, but one of the problems I've encountered with trying to explain why homeopathy is bullshit Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #194

Placebos are capable of having a physiological effect Major Nikon Jun 2016 #200

Points taken. Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #201

Obviously the orange hits the table before the grape. Socal31 Jun 2016 #155

Very true bhikkhu Jun 2016 #158

Unfortunately, he lumps all alternative medicines together, ant that too, is bad science! grahamhgreen Jun 2016 #161

No, that's good science. HuckleB Jun 2016 #166

Nutrition, herbs, & herb have long been considered 'alternative! grahamhgreen Jun 2016 #252

That's alt-med marketing. HuckleB Jun 2016 #255

"Alternative medicine" doesn't have the science to support it. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #179

Nutrition is a science, yet it's considered alternative medicine. grahamhgreen Jun 2016 #254

How so? cleanhippie Jun 2016 #256

I love this thread! progressoid Jun 2016 #163

It is fun to see the obvious nature of those posts. HuckleB Jun 2016 #165

Seems to be getting better. progressoid Jun 2016 #185

Indeed. HuckleB Jun 2016 #193

It's like watching a trainwreck....one cannot look away! cleanhippie Jun 2016 #219

I know just as many liberal leaning religous that believe the earth is 6k maybe 10k Rex Jun 2016 #168

K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #174

We see it with every gmo thread on DU. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #175

Maher is right -- it's ridiculous to claim that Democrats and Republcans equally deny science fishwax Jun 2016 #176

Here's the video. progressoid Jun 2016 #184

ah, thanks for the link fishwax Jun 2016 #339

Novella digs into the topic. This might be of interest. HuckleB Jun 2016 #238

That link is to a story about tourists lost in a hot spring in Yellowstone fishwax Jun 2016 #340

It was a mistake. Of course, this OP is also a bit old, now. HuckleB Jun 2016 #341

yeah, I figured as much fishwax Jun 2016 #342

Since when is anti-government libertarianism "Liberal"? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #177

What does this response have to do with NDT's statement? HuckleB Jun 2016 #181

Everything. It's anti-government right-wing hate radio that is trumpeting the anti-vaccine crap.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #258

While that is true, anti-vaccine routines appear to be rather bipartisan. HuckleB Jun 2016 #260

I'm disappointed that Tyson didn't dig in a little on Maher's anti-vax baloney Bucky Jun 2016 #213

It is good to see timdog44 Jun 2016 #220

I don't see anyone treat science like religion. HuckleB Jun 2016 #228

I suspected an answer from you. timdog44 Jun 2016 #231

How about acknowledging science, instead of creating a straw man. HuckleB Jun 2016 #233

I have simply chosen timdog44 Jun 2016 #244

Thank you for clarifying that your attempt to paint science as a religion.... HuckleB Jun 2016 #245

And you have made timdog44 Jun 2016 #263

You'll tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself about others so you can ignore the evidence. HuckleB Jun 2016 #266

"I have chosen to accept the things that I believe to be true." cleanhippie Jun 2016 #327

To quote They Might Be Giants lupinella Jun 2016 #225

I wonder what they'll be saying in 2216 about the "settled science" of today. Throd Jun 2016 #229

I wonder what they'll be saying about those who chose to ignore science... HuckleB Jun 2016 #230

The thing is, there are different shades of "settled" science. Oneironaut Jun 2016 #251

Steven Novella discusses NDT's comments. HuckleB Jun 2016 #234

Gratifying to know that there's always someone somewhere willing to tell someone else they're full o LanternWaste Jun 2016 #267

Who's science? sendero Jun 2016 #291

Lol, ok! cleanhippie Jun 2016 #304

What? RWers believe in alternative medicine at least as much a liberals do! Quantess Jun 2016 #300

This is absolutely true. Absolutely. One sees it all the time, right here at DU. NNadir Jun 2016 #301

we have our share of anti-vexers and anti-evidence based science folks also still_one Jun 2016 #326

Science is what you do with it. LWolf Jun 2016 #337