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131. Yasukuni Shrine. Nuff said.

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Tue May 31, 2016, 11:00 PM

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The Real Reason We Bombed Japan [View all] snot May 2016 OP

Nagasaki was a port city and manfactured Press Virginia May 2016 #1

.... 840high May 2016 #45

Both were also surrounded by hills thus containing the effects. Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #60

I keep hearing "the Japanese were ready to surrender". Nye Bevan May 2016 #2

Why "nuc" civilian targets? rhett o rick May 2016 #14

Japan specifically targeted Chinese civilian populations in their carpet bombings of Chinese cities Feeling the Bern May 2016 #41

We bear more responsibility for our own government's conduct. n/t ronnie624 May 2016 #63

Yeah. . .Japan is innocent. We're wrong. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #65

Your comments are irrational. n/t ronnie624 May 2016 #68

And your comments are historically idiotic Feeling the Bern May 2016 #75

I don't blame America first... Bigmack May 2016 #87

My mother is Mohawk. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #90

Have you done any research on Unit 731? REP May 2016 #110

I have done extensive research into it in Harbin and Shenyang. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #124

Ghastly beyond words. REP May 2016 #128

..don't forget the medical experiments we made on humans... Bigmack May 2016 #135

Anything to deflect responsibility of Japan's actions and throw it back on the USA Feeling the Bern May 2016 #136

Not first... but are you saying ONLY Japan has blame for inhuman actions? nt Bigmack May 2016 #138

This post and the OP is about Japan and the Bomb. Not anything else Feeling the Bern May 2016 #139

Yes, sir. Anything you say, sir. Questions of perspective are OUT. OK..I get it. nt Bigmack Jun 2016 #143

So is your sarcasm. Ignored. Feeling the Bern Jun 2016 #144

That's using their brutality to justify our brutality blackspade May 2016 #69

The started a war, they got one. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #74

Your hatred blinds you. blackspade May 2016 #84

My hatred? You mean the 20 years of research in Japan and China I have done? Feeling the Bern May 2016 #85

Meaning what? blackspade May 2016 #88

Don't listen. He knows nothing about Japan. Bonobo May 2016 #95

Your blather about the Cultural Revolution is nothing more than a diversionary tactic... Marengo May 2016 #120

Actually, not true ChairmanAgnostic May 2016 #86

Japan started their march to conquest in 1898 when they attacked China Feeling the Bern May 2016 #89

Blockades And Sanctions Are Not Inherently Acts of War ProfessorGAC May 2016 #91

What part of "military HQ" and "military resupply port" MADem May 2016 #115

But they didn't, and they wouldn't. Hulk May 2016 #44

Well put. Thank you. 840high May 2016 #46

I am shocked and astounded by posts of this nature. Hulk May 2016 #53

You have to wonder what 840high May 2016 #57

The answer to that is pretty simple Hulk May 2016 #71

History is dust PJMcK May 2016 #107

Objecting to having a naval installation on an island territory of the USA MADem May 2016 #112

You are right! bearssoapbox May 2016 #77

"....and fought like rabid animals as long as they were alive. " pangaia May 2016 #127

"Rabid animals" is offensive...yes Hulk May 2016 #130

I think you just made my point. pangaia May 2016 #140

The Japanese invaded and conquered. Are you defending them? Feeling the Bern May 2016 #137

Am I defending the Japanese? No. pangaia May 2016 #141

I was just using the description that my grandfather and his brother used bearssoapbox Jun 2016 #142

Even after Nagasaki, hardliners wanted to continue the war by staging a coup against the Emperor: eppur_se_muova May 2016 #121

There was no need to nuke them anyway Art_from_Ark May 2016 #50

Nice read...shear speculation Hulk May 2016 #132

There was also the attitude in some of the Japanese military that... Kablooie May 2016 #61

Expect lots of angry responses from sleepwalkers... RufusTFirefly May 2016 #3

I guess you've never heard of the whole "forward deployed" concept, have you? MADem May 2016 #32

You need to study some history. Hulk May 2016 #48

My wife is a Chinese national from Zhenjiang Feeling the Bern May 2016 #54

We know. You brag about your credentials in every single post of yours. nt Bonobo May 2016 #96

Damn, that was cold! Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #114

No - but telling disgusting LIES doed dbackjon May 2016 #55

You mean the one on AMERICAN SOIL? dbackjon May 2016 #99

Whaaaaaaaa? SusanCalvin May 2016 #126

globalresearch melman May 2016 #4

To us, what is your objection to this Canadian research site? hedda_foil May 2016 #18

First of all melman May 2016 #34

You mean other than it's a crank magnet? Major Nikon May 2016 #49

It's a conspiracy nut site. Odin2005 May 2016 #82

What gave you that idea? hedda_foil May 2016 #98

Because they publish conspiracy shit. Odin2005 May 2016 #113

Here melman May 2016 #119

Ok. That's got me convinced. Thank you for the links. hedda_foil May 2016 #122

”Headline: North Korea, a Land of Human Achievement, Love and Joy"... EX500rider May 2016 #108

Google "the rape of Nanking" to see what we were dealing with. The Japanese would have Trust Buster May 2016 #5

Not to mention also their vivisection experiments of Chinese civilians and POW's. roamer65 May 2016 #7

Yes, in the Pacific islands the Japanese would capture foreign missionaries. In one instance Trust Buster May 2016 #9

non-combatant population?? virginia mountainman May 2016 #6

I agree. Ask the 100's of thousands of Chinese and Filipino's about "non-combatant populations". Trust Buster May 2016 #10

300,000 men, women and children in Nanjing. 20,000 women raped in Nanjing Feeling the Bern May 2016 #42

If you haven't already read it, the most comprehensive history of Japanese atrocities during Trust Buster May 2016 #51

Iris Chang's book is more up to date. 300,000 is the accepted amount. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #56

If you are writing a screenplay, I urge you to read "The Knights of Bushido". Go on Amazon Trust Buster May 2016 #59

Read it. Movie is already in preproduction. But most of my research was done in China since I live Feeling the Bern May 2016 #62

Sounds like very balanced research. nt Bonobo May 2016 #97

I'm assuming you saw City of Life & Death? Wondering what you thought of it. Marengo May 2016 #117

Typical Chinese movie with typical flaws Feeling the Bern May 2016 #125

I agree. You actually read the history unlike some others. Trust Buster May 2016 #11

More than once I heard that the idea was to make an example Hydra May 2016 #8

Read the history of the Japanese slaughter of POW's and civilians. Trust Buster May 2016 #12

Ya, they tortured people and killed civs Hydra May 2016 #13

Once again you show your ignorance of history. It was not just about what they had done, it was Trust Buster May 2016 #22

They were horrible, no one is arguing that. But why choose civilian targets? rhett o rick May 2016 #15

What about the tens of thousands of allied POW's and civilians in slave labor camps across Japan Trust Buster May 2016 #25

If you have something to say, do so. I don't play the answer your pointed questions game. rhett o rick May 2016 #27

I did say so. What do you think would have happened to the tens of thousands of POW's and Trust Buster May 2016 #29

What do *you* think would have happened to them? n/t ronnie624 May 2016 #67

They would have either starved to death, died of disease or executed before Allied forces could Trust Buster May 2016 #93

Again--they were MILITARY targets, and the civilians in the area WERE warned in advance. nt MADem May 2016 #116

Have you ever heard of the battle of Iwo Jima and Okinawa? Do you know how many people were killed still_one May 2016 #16

I notice that the conservatives here all can rationalize why we dropped nuclear bombs on rhett o rick May 2016 #17

After they bombed Pearl Harbor, they killed our civilians too yeoman6987 May 2016 #20

So what exactly is your point? I hope it isn't, "we did it because they did it." rhett o rick May 2016 #21

The point is our involvment in that war was initiated by that unprovoked attack. still_one May 2016 #73

Obviously we should have built a bomb that only targeted military resources Orrex May 2016 #102

They're just reflexively defending the system Hydra May 2016 #23

Their rationalization is the key to their happiness. rhett o rick May 2016 #24

Telling lies then is key to yours dbackjon May 2016 #58

I wonder if they would have felt the same way if they were one of the soldiers that would have been still_one May 2016 #64

They probably think that the Japanese would have given them flowers as liberators dbackjon May 2016 #100

Estimates were that the losses for invading the home islands would be 10-1 with one million American Feeling the Bern May 2016 #43

We knew that we had to convince the Emperior to surrender and not the military that rhett o rick May 2016 #19

No, we wanted to end the war quickly to save the tens of thousands of allied POW's and allied Trust Buster May 2016 #26

Does that make you feel better to think that? Rationalize away if you need to keep from facing rhett o rick May 2016 #28

Rationalization ? Saving the lives of tens of thousands of allied POW's and civilians imprisoned Trust Buster May 2016 #30

I had family members at sea steaming towards Japan, and MADem May 2016 #37

I had an uncle I never met who died on Okinawa. Those that like to hold a political "feel good" Trust Buster May 2016 #39

The idea that Truman was at all cavalier about the consequences of his decision is what MADem May 2016 #111

Rick, I hope you don't consider yourself a student of history! zappaman May 2016 #66

Top US military leaders "morally offended" by the unnecessary destruction? bhikkhu May 2016 #31

Japanese were peace loving folk and we slaughtered them? left-of-center2012 May 2016 #33

There will never be a definitive answer to this one. Rex May 2016 #35

War is hell. There are no civilised wars. aikoaiko May 2016 #36

I suspect it had no small element of sending a message to Stalin, as well. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #38

I read through the replies looking for the mention of Russia and Stalin. panader0 May 2016 #92

I've had the same thought. A message to Stalin, and to the world as well. Auggie May 2016 #101

Carpet bombing of Shanghai in 1933, Mukden Train incident of 1931 where they illegally seized Feeling the Bern May 2016 #40

I have no problem with the nuking that happened. It ended the war. When I hear this morally offended Waldorf May 2016 #47

Full of disproven falsehoods dbackjon May 2016 #52

Look at the legacy it left us redixdoragon May 2016 #70

I'll let someone's face and words also speak for me. redixdoragon May 2016 #72

And I'll let these images sink in and speak for me about the war Japan started Feeling the Bern May 2016 #76

What will we deserve? redixdoragon May 2016 #78

Hopefully, war crimes trials and executions/prison terms for the guilty parties. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #80

You believe that no bombs would have been dropped after WWII? Democat May 2016 #79

FFS zappaman May 2016 #81

The bombing saved American lives. GOLGO 13 May 2016 #83

The real reason was an unprovoked attack on US soil Omaha Steve May 2016 #94

the attack on Clark Field? MisterP May 2016 #118

Two reasons MillennialDem May 2016 #103

My parents may have been two of the lives saved by the bombing tularetom May 2016 #104

this comes up every year.... Javaman May 2016 #105

I am originally from Japan and here is my input. hertopos May 2016 #106

Yasukuni Shrine. Nuff said. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #131

This thread is amazing. Xolodno May 2016 #109

Very interesting TheFarseer May 2016 #123

Just to be clear, the military leaders did not have a problem.... WARNING, GRAPHIC Adrahil May 2016 #129

I just finished a book about the race to build the atomic bomb.The US definitely wanted to show the FourScore May 2016 #133

the ever-mounting number of "lives saved" was in fact a way for the S.A.C. to pad its budget MisterP May 2016 #134