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Mika

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68. From where?

Reply to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #67)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 02:28 PM

Mar 2016

I am a critic of the failed system aka: capitalism

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FiveThirtyEight: Manufacturing Jobs Are NEVER Coming Back. [View all] 4lbs Mar 2016 OP

$elling America By The Pound... Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #1

The people doing this are both small and large business owners. randome Mar 2016 #3

Well liberalmike27 Mar 2016 #28

There wont be any bailouts for Americans my friend. Baobab Mar 2016 #128

That is why all the big companies ate their competition and now are one massive company. Rex Mar 2016 #37

And the only actual answer is for the profits that do exist to be distributed Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #126

If Congress functioned it might be better, hard to say since they refuse to follow their own laws. Rex Mar 2016 #138

that loses something in the translation AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #78

You are perhaps familiar with the term Pound of Flesh? Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #94

Ah but it's English in origin AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #109

We need to stop sentimentalizing manufacturing jobs; there's nothing magical about them Recursion Mar 2016 #2

Exactly Major Nikon Mar 2016 #16

Excellent point (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #21

Automation actually killed more jobs than anything else. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #130

Travel agents, secretaries, telephone operators... Recursion Mar 2016 #135

good point, and of course another slant on the need for higher minimum wage phantom power Mar 2016 #17

Very true Recursion Mar 2016 #22

Actually, we need to democratize workplaces. Mika Mar 2016 #20

Germany requires labor have votes on a company's board Recursion Mar 2016 #23

good points. Iris Mar 2016 #97

That will make little difference when most of the work is done by machines nt anigbrowl Mar 2016 #106

having worked in manufacturing in the 1990s hfojvt Mar 2016 #40

Excellent point TexasBushwhacker Mar 2016 #79

YES!!!! La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2016 #54

Most of them were dirty, dangerous, or mind-numbingly boring Retrograde Mar 2016 #62

And before the 1930s they didn't pay that. That was a social and political outcome Recursion Mar 2016 #91

look up "value-added." and "national security." nt TheFrenchRazor Mar 2016 #104

I said "jobs", not "output". Output is higher than it's ever been (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #105

Only the paychecks Warpy Mar 2016 #129

It is still better for USA if factories come back, even if automated. Hoyt Mar 2016 #4

Agreed. KPN Mar 2016 #24

This ain't "Third Way crap" -- it's cold, hard, reality. cheapdate Mar 2016 #80

Cold, hard reality? KPN Mar 2016 #102

Outsourcing was devastating. cheapdate Mar 2016 #103

Automation is a blessing and a curse. DCBob Mar 2016 #5

And you too will be replaced by automation... Human101948 Mar 2016 #6

Very possible. DCBob Mar 2016 #7

We're eventually going to have to adopt universal basic income. backscatter712 Mar 2016 #12

Yup! KPN Mar 2016 #25

Actually... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #72

Perhaps Marx was right, but not in the way he thought. white_wolf Mar 2016 #74

BMI is a truly excellent idea with one basic flaw with no gentle answer whatthehey Mar 2016 #111

I would imagine that a BMI would actually create enough economic stability... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #120

I agree. Automation has helped but also hurt. 4lbs Mar 2016 #11

Disagree. KPN Mar 2016 #27

The TPP isn't NAFTA. 4lbs Mar 2016 #48

I didn't say that. KPN Mar 2016 #65

This is missing the point. RDANGELO Mar 2016 #8

Absolutely right. KPN Mar 2016 #30

Good points. Duppers Mar 2016 #123

I'm so glad I have tech skills. backscatter712 Mar 2016 #9

Sounds like you aren't dealing with "onshoring" at your company. MH1 Mar 2016 #44

Best post in the thread so far redstateblues Mar 2016 #101

There is no going back. countingbluecars Mar 2016 #10

Who makes the machines in that casino? seabeckind Mar 2016 #36

China. Rex Mar 2016 #39

Most of the machines are made in the US. herding cats Mar 2016 #118

So if we took those machines apart. seabeckind Mar 2016 #149

Google announced a new robot last week as "the end of manual labor" ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #13

Infrastructure rebuilding, Rebkeh Mar 2016 #14

Yes, infrastructure and green jobs. That's the paradigm shift. 4lbs Mar 2016 #49

Humans Need Not Apply (must watch video) ghostsinthemachine Mar 2016 #15

scottie walker bamboozled many in wis. mopinko Mar 2016 #18

yes, that fight is still fresh. Walker is a con man-not to be trusted. riversedge Mar 2016 #29

And it didn't happen anyway because iron prices are too low for it to turn a profit. Zynx Mar 2016 #34

Ben Casselman and His Anti Anti Free Trade Argument Billsmile Mar 2016 #19

Spot on! KPN Mar 2016 #31

It's a talking point to rationalize the TPP Mnpaul Mar 2016 #75

+1 liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #85

Bernie Is The Only Antidote To Rampant DNC DWS DLC HRC Third-Way Corporatist Corruption cantbeserious Mar 2016 #26

How does Germany do it and still remain competitive wilt the stilt Mar 2016 #32

Yup! KPN Mar 2016 #33

And that is the job shift created by new technologies. 4lbs Mar 2016 #55

Following WWII I've read, part of the Allied terms and Marshall Plan was to make sure appalachiablue Mar 2016 #87

Service-based economy...where have I heard that before? seabeckind Mar 2016 #35

With A Clinton Presidency noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #38

I thought I heard something about robots replacing fast food workers at some point. Vinca Mar 2016 #41

There are self-service ordering kiosks at some fast food restaurants. I've seen them at McD's, 4lbs Mar 2016 #58

They have bots now that will prepare your order, fresh on the spot. They only thing preventing Purveyor Mar 2016 #76

It will be interesting to see how they handle custom orders. For example, at Burger King, you can 4lbs Mar 2016 #90

If a job can be automated, it will be. Service industries are already under asaualt. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #42

That is why the workplace - all workplaces - need to be democratized. Mika Mar 2016 #45

Or perhaps it's time to get past the idea of "work" in general and have a guaranteed minimum income Spider Jerusalem Mar 2016 #67

From where? Mika Mar 2016 #68

Then it's kind of shocking that this is an alien concept: Spider Jerusalem Mar 2016 #70

Not alien to me. Mika Mar 2016 #71

This is dead wrong anigbrowl Mar 2016 #107

The computer parts we are using now Mnpaul Mar 2016 #137

Yes. Let's talk about not giving away the jobs that we DO have. MH1 Mar 2016 #43

We knew this in mfg. in 2000 Holly_Hobby Mar 2016 #46

The US (2%), Canada (18%) and Italy (3%) gained manufacturing jobs from 1991-2000. pampango Mar 2016 #47

True, but that doesn't fit the narrative bhikkhu Mar 2016 #84

Thanks. AND only 2 countries trade less than the US - Sudan and the Central African Republic. pampango Mar 2016 #89

Make it more expensive to chug a product over the largest ocean on the planet and they will. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #50

Bernie talks about rebuilding our aging crumbling infrastructure and a massive environmental Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #51

...And the PTB couldn't be happier about it Populist_Prole Mar 2016 #52

Amazon doesn't manufacture anything Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #53

But it is an example of how US corporate expansion doesn't necessarily mean a tidal wave of new jobs 4lbs Mar 2016 #56

But the original post specically talks about manufacturing jobs Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #61

Writer is a hack who's simply regurgitating WAPO neolib talking points brentspeak Mar 2016 #57

The employable population exceeds the needs of businesses. hay rick Mar 2016 #59

Your subject line has the answer to many problems. Duppers Mar 2016 #124

We love workers & jobs. Must be progressive & realistic and avoid being doctrinaire Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2016 #60

If we want to get the jobs back we need to act more like a Third World country. jalan48 Mar 2016 #63

They are not coming back to Germany, Sweden or Canada. I doubt they will go Third World pampango Mar 2016 #66

that's when we'll get 'em back Skittles Mar 2016 #77

I'm NOT buying it. fasttense Mar 2016 #64

The original machines-replacing-people industry was farming bhikkhu Mar 2016 #86

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment. fasttense Mar 2016 #146

Not so much an assessment, but looking at a few facts bhikkhu Mar 2016 #147

We are NOT exporting our tomatoes to Mexico fasttense Mar 2016 #148

500 jobs Crepuscular Mar 2016 #69

The only thing preventing a computer from taking my job is computers still suck at natural... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #73

I had a writing job replaced by software *in the 1990s* Recursion Mar 2016 #92

Mine's customer service, and at this time, people are surprised I'm not a computer... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #115

True confession: I design control systems for automated manufacturing. cheapdate Mar 2016 #81

I love control engineering Recursion Mar 2016 #93

That's great! My coworkers and I have watched videos of the inverted pendulum cheapdate Mar 2016 #95

Can everyone make a living driving Uber? TheFarseer Mar 2016 #82

Nope. Self-driving cars will be here within a decade (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #96

Well shoot TheFarseer Mar 2016 #119

I really wish intelligent people wouldn't throw gasoline on the fire LettuceSea Mar 2016 #83

Better to keep the workers out of the loop. Mika Mar 2016 #100

Electronics manufactuirng in Poland is raging. Brother_Love Mar 2016 #88

Here's another point. No one would pay the increased prices for American made only products. Yavin4 Mar 2016 #98

No it wouldn't. It would add about $50 to the cost. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #131

Kyle Wiens' analysis is not very detailed nor thorough Yavin4 Mar 2016 #134

Any JOB in the USA (or the WORLD, for that matter) should pay a LIVING WAGE. eom Hiraeth Mar 2016 #99

How could US consumers buy socks Duppers Mar 2016 #127

I agree wholeheartedly with you! Duppers Mar 2016 #132

Amazon can't ship a fishing rod for crap... ileus Mar 2016 #108

"We'd better re-think what it means to 'work'; get GMI, retrain, embrace change, blah blah blah" HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #110

+100 Duppers Mar 2016 #133

An aside, I notice Nate is from Michigan LettuceSea Mar 2016 #112

Why not, people have the right to know the truth, so we can work on solutions... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #113

He did acknowledge their frustration and need for solutions in the full article, i stand corrected LettuceSea Mar 2016 #114

That's the reason why there are rumblings of talk about Universal Basic Income.... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #117

Solutions are great. HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #116

That is the biggest obstacle, that's why its best to talk about solutions now... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #122

Less workers should mean less labor cost and the product cheaper for consumer. But, have B Calm Mar 2016 #121

Yes, cars are significantly cheaper now than 40 years ago Recursion Mar 2016 #136

Unfortunately salaries have not kept pace. B Calm Mar 2016 #139

A car is cheaper after inflation now than in 1975. What does "keeping pace" mean? Recursion Mar 2016 #141

In 2015 the average new car price zips 2.6% to $33,560. Where you B Calm Mar 2016 #142

Nope. The $33,560 includes light trucks (ie, SUVs), which weren't a category in 1975 Recursion Mar 2016 #143

In 1976 I bought a brand new Ford 150 for $3,000.00. A new one today costs around $30,000.00 B Calm Mar 2016 #145

Automation would bring some back Baobab Mar 2016 #125

Neither are agricultural jobs which used to employ 90% of workers. pampango Mar 2016 #140

Ultimately new lifestyles will be the answer - TBF Mar 2016 #144

And you expected something different? So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #150