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dinopipie

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161. BFD a typo, I would call you a tool for such a post but that would be against the rules

Mon May 28, 2012, 07:14 AM

May 2012

However you seem to think that stupid people voting and breeding is a-ok and is not causing any problems what so ever with our nation.

Guess I need to get a pair of rose colored glasses like you.

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Do you support intelligence tests designed to keep some citizens away from the ballot box? [View all] cynatnite May 2012 OP

All Citizens deserve to be represented annabanana May 2012 #1

My parrots agree. L0oniX May 2012 #23

They're only in it for the crackers pinboy3niner May 2012 #30

Including children? nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #29

Tests were used to stop blacks from voting. CreekDog May 2012 #58

Planned Parenthood has extremely racist roots, but it is much better now. ZombieHorde May 2012 #64

Can you decide who is intelligent enough to vote? There is no way you, or I are fit to do that. CreekDog May 2012 #65

I would have the tests be designed by esteemed psychologists and sociologists. ZombieHorde May 2012 #69

will the disenfranchised by wards of the state then? free of taxes and provided care? CreekDog May 2012 #72

"will you then allow them to be free of its obligations?" ZombieHorde May 2012 #81

Many, many experts believe that there is no way to truly judge intelligence in a scientific way cali May 2012 #90

I actually started to developed this point of view while working with that community. ZombieHorde May 2012 #92

well it's a shockingly shortsighted, ill thought out pov cali May 2012 #94

You still have not answered my question about children voting. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #95

yeah, I did. cali May 2012 #101

Children can't vote because children can't vote. ZombieHorde May 2012 #107

not what I said, but oh well. cali May 2012 #116

this will come as a shock to you, I'm sure cali May 2012 #73

Yes, this is why I would have more than one person to design the test. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #76

You do know that once you open that door these UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #91

I agree Republicans would try to use this to their advantage. ZombieHorde May 2012 #93

"The implication of the plan would have to be careful." UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #96

I completely agree we cannot make people vote intelligently, ZombieHorde May 2012 #97

With this congress? UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #99

OK, you got me there. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #105

don't spread disgusting right wing lying dog shit. cali May 2012 #70

She wrote about her views in her book. ZombieHorde May 2012 #75

you aren't providing any evidence. Here's some for you: cali May 2012 #79

OK, we both agree she was a racist, just not an extreme racist. Here is another bit from the link... ZombieHorde May 2012 #82

bzzzt. Here's your FALSE claim: . Planned Parenthood has extremely racist roots cali May 2012 #86

Racism Beyond Color Hermes Daughter May 2012 #132

I started a thread on this to see how posters in the AA group feel about her. ZombieHorde May 2012 #189

I voted no. On the other hand I think you did to present exboyfil May 2012 #2

Optical scan ballots do, by definition, represent a physical record of each vote frazzled May 2012 #7

But currently they are anonymous records Mairead May 2012 #32

Voting must be anonymous frazzled May 2012 #42

No, it shouldn't be anonymous Mairead May 2012 #149

What is wrong with a hand written, hand counted paper ballot? Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #103

I can go with hand counted ballots as well exboyfil May 2012 #140

I support nothing designed to keep citizens from the ballot box etherealtruth May 2012 #3

Should the voting age be lowered to zero? nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #35

Yes etherealtruth May 2012 #45

Why shouldn't children be allowed to vote? ZombieHorde May 2012 #48

Children lack maturity, experience and knowledge etherealtruth May 2012 #57

Perhaps we should have a test based on maturity, experience, and knowledge? ZombieHorde May 2012 #85

If your goal is to create a society where only the "elite" ... etherealtruth May 2012 #88

do people realize that you're advocating for people to be tested for mental illness? CreekDog May 2012 #78

Additionally, it almost sounds as if s/he is advocating etherealtruth May 2012 #83

Psychologists do more than determine mental illness. ZombieHorde May 2012 #84

yes, and what would a psychologist offer in terms of evaluating one's suitability for voting? CreekDog May 2012 #108

They would help design an intelligence test, with the help of sociologists. ZombieHorde May 2012 #109

an IQ test for voting? what on earth would be the threshold? CreekDog May 2012 #112

Yes, that is what I have been arguing for this whole time. ZombieHorde May 2012 #113

holy shit CreekDog May 2012 #119

In my opinion, the results would include less war, better social safety nets, ZombieHorde May 2012 #122

Yeah but that's not borne out by studies or evidence CreekDog May 2012 #126

not to mention profoundly anti-democratic (note lower-case 'd'). - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #141

Why a round number? JonLP24 May 2012 #172

If 111.23 made you feel better, then I would probably be willing to bend. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #181

I think only people in blue states should be allowed to vote cali May 2012 #118

That would probably result in less wars, better social safety nets, ZombieHorde May 2012 #120

because it is a crazy, ugly idea. cali May 2012 #121

I don't believe in justice. I don't think it exists. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #123

it may not exist but think of it as a Platonic Ideal cali May 2012 #127

I completely agree that the abstract concept of justice can motivate people to act. ZombieHorde May 2012 #183

Then why are you here, a DU member? Puzzledtraveller May 2012 #177

I post on DU because I am a liberal and I love liberals. ZombieHorde May 2012 #184

No responsible psychologist or sociologist would agree to that LeftishBrit May 2012 #142

Since you're a credentialed person, I wonder why you're focussing on IQ tests Mairead May 2012 #155

really? and the hell do YOU know that? cali May 2012 #159

Yes, really. Mairead May 2012 #163

so don't take my advice, dear. take the the advice cali May 2012 #174

'certainly usable ways to test for the ability to vote intelligently' LeftishBrit May 2012 #168

You're conflating two things Mairead May 2012 #171

what absolute bullshit. cali May 2012 #175

Cali, it's because you laugh at what you don't understand Mairead May 2012 #176

do tell, what don't I (and just about everyone else on this thread) cali May 2012 #179

I go back and forth on this Prophet 451 May 2012 #4

Can a dictatorship be benevolent without the right to have oneself represented? cynatnite May 2012 #5

Good question Prophet 451 May 2012 #6

"Benevolent dictatorship" was Plato's idea Mairead May 2012 #18

"there's no shortage of people who think they or their kind are best qualified to rule" discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #31

Leo Strauss Hermes Daughter May 2012 #133

What would make a really fascinating doctoral dissertation Mairead May 2012 #169

No such thing as a "Benevolent Dictator" FrodosPet May 2012 #130

I'm all for it, as long as I get to be the benevolent despot - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #143

Hell no. Hatchling May 2012 #8

*Anyone* using those tests would game them to exclude their opponents Posteritatis May 2012 #14

They will most likely try, but their efforts can be foiled. ZombieHorde May 2012 #54

It's not constitutional. cali May 2012 #62

... cthulu2016 May 2012 #9

Done. cynatnite May 2012 #24

Not quite. You missed three. nt Electric Monk May 2012 #111

Of course not. n/t DLevine May 2012 #10

Well, I'd rather have intelligent tests than stupid tests, for sure. MineralMan May 2012 #11

I voted don't know Politicalboi May 2012 #12

No one who advocates for stuff like that ever thinks they'd be affected by it Posteritatis May 2012 #13

Nope lunatica May 2012 #15

I do think there should be a test and, yes, it should be an intelligent one Mairead May 2012 #16

You say "People who recieved a crappy education... have neither the background or the time" cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #26

Do you think working-class people receive a *good* education??? Mairead May 2012 #27

Weeding out adults who were "working-class kids in an inner-city school" sounds racist in the cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #68

If it really "sounds racist", that's a problem inside you Mairead May 2012 #145

so since we're not a democracy & the rich game the system, let them game it more by excluding HiPointDem May 2012 #137

You're assuming stuff not in evidence Mairead May 2012 #152

your proposal wouldn't prevent people from voting against their interests (as perceived by you), HiPointDem May 2012 #153

Not so. Mairead May 2012 #154

Here's what you wrote. I read it & I stand by my statement. HiPointDem May 2012 #157

No... That Would Be Totally Unfair To Republicans... WillyT May 2012 #17

Per your second paragraph, this is ABSOLUTELY about engineering election results. cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #19

Intelligence tests. Not intelligent tests. LeftyMom May 2012 #20

Me, too. I fixed it. n/t cynatnite May 2012 #25

No need to be mean here. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #37

Absolutely not proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #21

Intelligence tests would eliminate most repukes. L0oniX May 2012 #22

no. they would not. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #77

Definitely not! LeftishBrit May 2012 #28

Yes, of course. ZombieHorde May 2012 #33

your're kidding, right? cali May 2012 #36

Do think small children should be allowed to vote? ZombieHorde May 2012 #39

no. although I'm not against lowering the age to 16 cali May 2012 #40

Yes, but why should they not be allowed to vote? ZombieHorde May 2012 #44

because they are minors. Some children (probably quite a few) cali May 2012 #47

You are describing children, but you are not saying why they should not be allowed to vote. ZombieHorde May 2012 #52

oh for pity's sake. Children are under parental control cali May 2012 #53

They're not allowed to vote because they're not allowed to vote. ZombieHorde May 2012 #61

No. I'm telling you that under the constitution children are not granted cali May 2012 #63

Yes, we all know that. But why did people restrict voting by age in the Constitution? ZombieHorde May 2012 #67

3 more questions: CreekDog May 2012 #135

IQ tests and intelligence tests aren't the same thing Mairead May 2012 #156

keep in mind whom I was asking the questions of: CreekDog May 2012 #162

Yes. Mairead May 2012 #164

I am not sure why my personal information is important to this debate. ZombieHorde May 2012 #180

when you suggest a test which would preserve your voting rights and take away others'... CreekDog May 2012 #185

I probably shouldn't admit this, since it will probably be a debate stopper, ZombieHorde May 2012 #187

Thanks for considering what I said CreekDog May 2012 #188

Let's be perfectly clear here: you are essentially renouncing the principle of coalition_unwilling May 2012 #144

We don't have one man, one vote now. ZombieHorde May 2012 #151

That is why I asked whether you were renouncing the 'principle' of 'one man, coalition_unwilling May 2012 #173

Universal suffrage is an interesting idea, but I have never experienced it. ZombieHorde May 2012 #182

Um, small point, but 'universal manhood suffrage,' i.e., not children. - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #186

fuck no. only a freeper or someone too stupid to understand cali May 2012 #34

LOL....then quit whining about voters electing the wrong person! Logical May 2012 #60

uh, first of all I don't whine about it. cali May 2012 #66

Who writes the questions on the test? johnd83 May 2012 #38

no kidding. there are threads like this regularly over in freeperville cali May 2012 #41

Whoever has the power loyalsister May 2012 #55

I would have a team of esteemed psychologists and sociologists write the questions. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #115

This is a good example of how dangerous it can be to believe your own propaganda RZM May 2012 #43

amen. I am disgusted and shocked that anyone here believes this to be a good thing. cali May 2012 #49

and who will WRITE the test? will it be someone trustworthy? 0rganism May 2012 #46

and who will administer it and "grade" it? cali May 2012 #50

Is this the first question? retread May 2012 #51

That is actually pretty funny. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #114

Lteracy tests were historically racists GarroHorus May 2012 #56

Of course not and that other thread was a joke. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #59

That is one of the most offensive ideas I have ever seen on this site. n/t 99Forever May 2012 #71

Indeed. And some of the comments are as ugly as any I've seen here. cali May 2012 #80

+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #146

No. there is a mean sub-group difference of one standard deviation on intelligence test La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #74

just think about how that could be used against someone YOU support ibegurpard May 2012 #87

There is a more fundemental question johnd83 May 2012 #89

Neither intelligence nor education necessarily makes a good voter IphengeniaBlumgarten May 2012 #98

What is the definition of "undesirable"? former9thward May 2012 #100

Somebody who votes the opposite the way you would like them to vote. Kaleva May 2012 #102

Then I'm all for it!! former9thward May 2012 #106

Only if it is a single question grantcart May 2012 #104

I find it sickening that even three people would vote yes for such a twisted idea. marmar May 2012 #110

there are indeed some sicko posts in this thread. It's pretty horrifying. cali May 2012 #117

A person who is legally competent has the right to vote: struggle4progress May 2012 #124

nope. After all, people with Down Syndrome can vote cali May 2012 #129

Thanks! I just looked at some NC law, and you are right, at least in regard struggle4progress May 2012 #131

No. But, I'd like candidates to be attached to lie-detectors when giving speeches. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #125

Lie detectors with high-voltage-dispensing wands when lies are detected. (Nothing coalition_unwilling May 2012 #147

And if they pass the lie detector test FrodosPet May 2012 #166

Let's disenfranchise EVEN MORE Democratic voters FrodosPet May 2012 #128

Well said! Hermes Daughter May 2012 #134

Lots of democrats apparently want only "smart" dems to vote. No wonder the party's in trouble. HiPointDem May 2012 #138

Your brother would pass any test *I*'d write Mairead May 2012 #165

any such test is designed to keep citizens from voting. that's the only purpose. and as such, HiPointDem May 2012 #136

Bravo! Well put! - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #148

I don't support any measure that's intended to prevent any otherwise-eligible citizen from voting. WillowTree May 2012 #139

how do you do it? Why is it necessary? cali May 2012 #150

Yes - Because the uninformed are wrecking this country and impacting the rest of the world dinopipie May 2012 #158

wow. yet another cali May 2012 #160

BFD a typo, I would call you a tool for such a post but that would be against the rules dinopipie May 2012 #161

ooh. aren't you clever. cali May 2012 #167

the uninformed are? gee, i thought it was the ruling class. HiPointDem May 2012 #178

Of course not. Iggo May 2012 #170

Perhaps a good idea, but unimplementable with real humans WriteWrong May 2012 #190

do you always know the name of everyone running for every office? cali May 2012 #191