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sheshe2

(84,311 posts)
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:41 PM Aug 2015

Dear White America: Your Toxic Masculinity is Killing You [View all]

Dear White America,

I am your friend. I have written several letters of this type to you before. It pains me to have to do so again. What I am going to share in this letter may be commonsense for many white brothers and sisters. Other White Americans may be surprised. Because our society is so segregated, people of color often do not have many opportunities to talk with white people in a direct way regarding our sincere worries about the problems in your community. I hope that this open letter can be part of a broader conversation in that regard.

When a person suffers from chronic pain they often find ways to compensate for it. Some people self-medicate with drugs or alcohol. Others develop the mental discipline necessary to compartmentalize their physical suffering. Others cocoon themselves in a bubble of denial. Because I am your friend, I am going to be honest with you. White America is suffering from a type of cancer. It is hurting you; it is killing your children; it is damaging families; it hurls shrapnel in many directions, maiming and otherwise bringing an end to the lives of those people who are unfortunate enough to be in its blast radius. If you want the truth, this is it: toxic white masculinity, and the backward right-wing politics which nurture and protect it, are hurting millions of you every year.

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Toxic white masculinity defaults to violence as a means of maintaining social and political control. It clings to guns as a symbol of “real” male identity. It fears women as equals; it lashes out at non-whites who are somehow “stealing” white men’s jobs and power. Toxic white masculinity sees “liberals,” “progressives,” “social justice,” and “feminism” as enemies — out of a fear that “white masculinity” will somehow be made obsolete or extinct. The dream worlds and paranoid fantasies of angry white men are distractions that look to some type of Other as the preeminent threat to America’s safety and security. The reality is of course, very different.

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In the Age of Obama, the Republican Party has found itself increasingly dysfunctional as its politics are seemingly unable to evolve beyond “hate the black guy in the White House and anything that he proposes,” however reasonable. In many ways — the fetishistic embrace of guns, hostility to women’s rights, Islamophobia, symbolic and overt racism against black people the policies and talking points of the contemporary Republican Party are toxic white masculinity as a campaign platform.Together with the alternate reality created by the right-wing media, the Republican Party has become so radicalized, breaking many of the standing norms of consensus politics in modern American politics, that it no longer functions as a responsible political organization.

Read More http://www.chaunceydevega.com/2015/08/dear-white-america-your-toxic.html#more

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#NotAllwhitePeople, in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... eom 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #1
Probably. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #5
That train is never late, and it has an "I don't see color" caboose. betsuni Aug 2015 #9
Oooh! Oooh! Want the Chris Rock version? It has bad words but it's hilarious. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #39
Do men find it hilarious when he calls women "bitches:? whathehell Aug 2015 #129
TBH, I think he's posting again. Everywhere. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #31
Lol! bravenak Aug 2015 #72
Amazing. His friend 'Name Removed' is also posting a lot on this thread, too! n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #163
. XemaSab Aug 2015 #82
You noticed that too? JTFrog Aug 2015 #179
And found a Profile with the same info, too. But been here a long time. So was the other one. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #200
heh *sucks teeth* nt Quayblue Aug 2015 #32
So #AllWhitePeople ? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #77
That was my exact point ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #78
Keep banging away. It's pretty much a binary formula. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #79
Okay. ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #80
Smilies are evasions. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #83
Because you are not interested in my being "helpful" ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #88
What cute little word play. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #95
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #99
You cant win, white people are so privileged and blinded to their privilege, that a reasonable AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #153
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #155
I can see holding all whites responsible for confronting and fighting white racism. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #213
If white people heaven05 Aug 2015 #227
Okay here's an old one for you heaven05 Aug 2015 #225
What shoe is supposed to be fitting? The OP is about toxic white racism. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #230
did I? heaven05 Aug 2015 #246
You said -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #251
I think the #NotAllWhiteFolks thing is mainly used by white conservatives,not anti-racist whites. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #212
If you xcome out your bubble heaven05 Aug 2015 #224
I never said racism doesn't exist so figure out something else to be upset about. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #229
I am the farther heaven05 Aug 2015 #245
The article sounds like it's talking about white people who believe this: gollygee Aug 2015 #86
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #90
Then why did you make the response, "#NotAllwhitePeople, in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... eom"? aikoaiko Aug 2015 #101
Your inability to understand the point of his saying "not all white people" in this context AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #157
Which I why I'm asking him to explain. He appears contradictory aikoaiko Aug 2015 #159
The two points are not contradictory. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #172
If you say so, but on the face they do appear contradictory to me. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #173
Don't worry ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #181
be offended, so what? heaven05 Aug 2015 #228
Well, this thread was basically over on Tuesday and most people moved on...but not you. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #237
you're still here heaven05 Aug 2015 #247
well, I'm very grateful that you're concerned now. My life is richer for it. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #252
I think he was anticipating such a response. stone space Aug 2015 #214
Sure, but 1SB later admits it's not all white people. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #218
Some "admission". stone space Aug 2015 #221
Is this toxic white masculinity -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #93
What percentage of white Americans respond to "the Southern strategy?" gollygee Aug 2015 #97
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #103
Welcome to DU gollygee Aug 2015 #106
"I'm thinking it's less than half but more than 'not many.'" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #112
Yes, but again, saying "#notallwhitepeople" doesn't mean it's actually all white people gollygee Aug 2015 #120
"it's only talking about complaints that articles and/or posts should have to specify" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #122
no one need explain anything about male toxicity heaven05 Aug 2015 #232
It's amazing how many people want to weasel their way into a false sense of moral superiority. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #243
you've done very well heaven05 Aug 2015 #248
"Concerned, sometimes, that some racist pig will hate my color and try to kill me because of it" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #253
Funny, I thought I would die from the nachos I am eating. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #133
This thread needs more guns! stone space Aug 2015 #215
What's wrong with POC having guns? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #217
You habitually use Black folks just like you use Women. stone space Aug 2015 #219
I unequivocally support people of color exercising their inherent human right of self-defense. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #220
toxicity heaven05 Aug 2015 #231
Thank you gollygee. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #123
Right-wing white folks moreso, though. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #211
0-7 Jury Flagging. Result: LEAVE IT ALONE - Some people are too sensitive and abuse this feature. TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #160
#NotAllAlertWhiners Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #161
but plenty of whiners still heaven05 Aug 2015 #233
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #100
Whoosh. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #102
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #104
What's name removed talking about? He keeps on talking to you and me but I don't see it. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #162
exactly heaven05 Aug 2015 #234
All masculinity, regardless of color, can be toxic hack89 Aug 2015 #2
Gender expectations and stereotypes are damaging in general. Kurska Aug 2015 #3
Not really DustyJoe Aug 2015 #6
There's definitely a gender distinction that can be made XemaSab Aug 2015 #81
Yes! In fact just yesterday Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #249
This message was self-deleted by its author Go Vols Aug 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author William769 Aug 2015 #14
Ha! (nt.) Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #16
It would help if you read the article. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #24
ty,I will delete Go Vols Aug 2015 #25
Thanks. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #27
What about run of the mill shootings? hack89 Aug 2015 #41
Who is manufacturing the guns? Who is flooding our communities with them? stone space Aug 2015 #216
try as you may to deny the truth heaven05 Aug 2015 #235
What exactly is the truth? hack89 Aug 2015 #254
many are uniquely racist heaven05 Aug 2015 #255
But not more violent then other races hack89 Aug 2015 #256
all pretty pretty violent I would agree heaven05 Aug 2015 #257
There are plenty of violent war loving governments in the world hack89 Aug 2015 #258
Governments are led by people heaven05 Aug 2015 #259
White men may commit 63% of mass killings virgogal Aug 2015 #54
I missed where this was stated. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #67
I wonder where he gets that figure from? aikoaiko Aug 2015 #69
And lost, apparently in all of this, is the point of the piece ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #113
Lost because, the article was not read. nt sheshe2 Aug 2015 #127
The point of this piece is to trash white masculinity aikoaiko Aug 2015 #166
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #167
You may be okay with that, but I'm not. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #168
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #169
Well, since your taking the time to respond to this subthread, how about this one? aikoaiko Aug 2015 #171
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #201
true heaven05 Aug 2015 #236
Since I pulled this up to make a point about gender, I may as well repost it here: XemaSab Aug 2015 #85
more to the point hfojvt Aug 2015 #198
single white males kill/murder heaven05 Aug 2015 #238
That says that they commit mass shootings at exactly the expected rate XemaSab Aug 2015 #84
Never let science, math or logic get in the way of righteous outrage. hifiguy Aug 2015 #158
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #96
A mass shooting means there were multiple victims sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #98
Bullshit sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #30
I never thought you would say something like this. The gun stuff threw me off. Yes I agree. JanMichael Aug 2015 #33
The toxic comes here, post 24 sheshe2 Aug 2015 #68
Exactly. Skin color & ethnicity doesn't matter, particularly in USA statistics. It's the gender underahedgerow Aug 2015 #89
if you were my 'friend', you wouldn't be addressing me by my skin color HFRN Aug 2015 #4
She's only addressing you if you fit in one of these categories: freshwest Aug 2015 #37
Thank you freshwest! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #42
I don't think you can deflect this essay so easily. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #55
Not all white males have that overwhelming machismo Jamastiene Aug 2015 #65
If one is a white male with any degree of masculinity aikoaiko Aug 2015 #66
"If one is a white male with any degree of masculinity" BeanMusical Aug 2015 #74
I agree that it's silly but that's what the essay is about aikoaiko Aug 2015 #75
you're deflecting, distracting from and diminishing the truth heaven05 Aug 2015 #239
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #140
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #150
substitute 'Toxic white' for something else, and you could be reading a 1930s German article HFRN Aug 2015 #7
Oh please shenmue Aug 2015 #20
Dear black dude, you lost me with your opening. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #8
That is probably because you never bothered reading the rest. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #44
NEVER does heaven05 Aug 2015 #240
I imagine that happens quite often. LanternWaste Aug 2015 #128
Chauncy Devega says “white privilege" is a distracting term but toxic white masculinity is friendly. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #10
Oh cheeses! We're finally turning a corner. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #11
. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #12
That's interesting. cwydro Aug 2015 #91
I knew it would not be long before someone ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #156
Dead is dead. Boudica the Lyoness Aug 2015 #180
True. Dead is dead ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #183
Way to blame the victim! XemaSab Aug 2015 #184
How am I blaming the victim? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #185
But in the latter situation, the cause of the death doesn't/didn't die with the individual killed XemaSab Aug 2015 #187
No. I thought I said ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #189
Keep digging that hole XemaSab Aug 2015 #194
Okay. I am NOT blaming the victim ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #195
Try again XemaSab Aug 2015 #196
I'm done ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #197
I wouldn't waste time with you heaven05 Aug 2015 #244
what?????????? heaven05 Aug 2015 #242
there is a career heaven05 Aug 2015 #241
They should have also added reading comprehension. nt William769 Aug 2015 #15
... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #17
Because Toxic Masculinity only kills white Americans seveneyes Aug 2015 #18
Got it, ya never read the article. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #45
hmmm generalized negative remarks about an entire group based on skin color. Yes, that's racist Amishman Aug 2015 #19
They're not "generalized negative remarks", they clearly observations based on experience. George II Aug 2015 #21
funny, i hear a lot of racists justify their opinions the same way Amishman Aug 2015 #29
Sir, you misunderstand what "racism" means nt ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #28
Well ... It HAS been a couple of months since we last did that dance ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #114
Remember, Chauncey DeVega is a friend of white America seveneyes Aug 2015 #22
Had the same friendly letter sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #34
Actually melman Aug 2015 #50
There is no misogyny in any black culture Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #71
LOL! whathehell Aug 2015 #147
Interesting how some people don't --or won't read past the title and the excerpt ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #23
Thank you for actually reading ism! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #26
an identifier such as "white" shuts down the parietal lobe eom Quayblue Aug 2015 #176
Makes one wonder why the title was entitled as such and why that part was excerpted. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #178
I'm leaving the west to avoid WHITE TOXIC MASCULINITY LittleBlue Aug 2015 #35
Because white colonialism had nothing to do with any of them! ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #36
Yes, why can't those countries be like Ethiopia and Liberia LittleBlue Aug 2015 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #108
I know right! Those evil white bastards brought FGM to Africa as well snooper2 Aug 2015 #121
Yeah you white men suck. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #207
I sure hope you are satirizing someone. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #206
Oh good lord Egnever Aug 2015 #40
Got it........... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #51
Why would I? Egnever Aug 2015 #56
You are not interested in seeing the GOP & Baggers trashed.... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #57
At the expense of the whole white race? Egnever Aug 2015 #58
No comments until you read it. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #60
I read it, I'm white and yes it singles out whites from top to bottom. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #115
Anyone who groups me with Republicans can...start over. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #43
If you read the whole thing.... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #47
I got that from the excerpt alone. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #48
The excerpt specifically says gollygee Aug 2015 #87
Yes, I know. The topic of the article is clear to me. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #107
Actually it trashes white masculinity as toxic and uses the GOP as an example. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #165
I'd really like to be able to say, "IT'S NOT TRUE!" GitRDun Aug 2015 #46
I was at a newish client's house artislife Aug 2015 #52
Amen n/t GitRDun Aug 2015 #53
I'm going to have to steal your reply. johnp3907 Aug 2015 #177
This is pretty spot on nt artislife Aug 2015 #49
I am curious if the author Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #59
It's funny that you can't accept that people read it and some reject it. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #61
There's nothing that I can add to this... MrScorpio Aug 2015 #62
Good to see you MrScorpio. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #64
It's true. Jamastiene Aug 2015 #63
My thanks Jamastiene. nt sheshe2 Aug 2015 #70
Toxic masculinity is just as deadly for black America. nt BreakfastClub Aug 2015 #73
Ever heard the song, "Bitches Ain't Shit but Hos and Tricks"? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #76
Shhhhh! XemaSab Aug 2015 #92
Yeah, but what about Penicillin? The Personal Computer? The Apollo program? Calculus. Philosophy. Romulox Aug 2015 #111
Actually ... That's exactly how it works ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #116
Then don't do that. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #118
He kinda skipped over the part where *he himself* is the one doing that, didn't he? nt Romulox Aug 2015 #125
So...I get credit for Penicillin, then? That pretty much evens the score. Romulox Aug 2015 #124
How about credit for -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #117
#NotAllConstitutionalAmendments Romulox Aug 2015 #126
Why do you work so hard to be the victim ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #130
So, some internet crank posts "the problem with white people is..." screed and when Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #135
That's not what the OP said. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #136
Are you seriously suggesting that if someone wrote -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #148
You still haven't read the OP, have you? 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #151
Yes, I did. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #152
Okay. it's difficult to tell ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #154
No 'toxic masculinity' there, right? whathehell Aug 2015 #145
not to be that guy but retrowire Aug 2015 #94
This is the silliest thing I have read in along time. Puddy Aug 2015 #105
Well, you're new here so give it a minute. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #119
Blammo. hifiguy Aug 2015 #186
OMG, we really need to stop blaming America’s problems on a certain race or gender. Chapter2 Aug 2015 #109
You too are tired of identity politics? Ace Rothstein Aug 2015 #164
Same here. romanic Aug 2015 #170
Amen brother/sister. hifiguy Aug 2015 #188
Do the statistics bear out the OP though? Pretty sure they don't. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #110
Spot fucking on. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #131
Right, because men of color don't have any of that going on whathehell Aug 2015 #132
'that there is such a thing as toxic white masculinity is both surprising and enraging' Rex Aug 2015 #134
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #137
I'm glad my point pissed you off so much that you signed up to write to me. Rex Aug 2015 #138
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #139
Keep trying! Rex Aug 2015 #141
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #144
Hi, Rex sheshe2 Aug 2015 #142
You too sheshe2 thanks for the great article! Rex Aug 2015 #143
Lol~ sheshe2 Aug 2015 #149
Spot on Rex. Ilios Meows Aug 2015 #174
Because the article does not refer to conservative male masculinity -- just toxic white masculinity aikoaiko Aug 2015 #175
Yes it does, all one has to do is READ it. Rex Aug 2015 #190
Let me put it this way, if I wrote, "it is Rex's toxic white masculinity that defaults to violence.. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #193
IF 'Rex' was some idiot RWing militia type that wants to end the federal government then yeah. Rex Aug 2015 #226
Well I'm not white so half of this doesn't apply to me. romanic Aug 2015 #146
Some people are bad because they're unlike me. They're a different color and whatnot. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #182
That's the gist. nt pecwae Aug 2015 #191
So this is where that thread came from Coolest Ranger Aug 2015 #192
Hey CR... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #203
FYI.... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #204
Hey, now that I read it... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #205
It may have been paradody Coolest Ranger Aug 2015 #208
Hugs, CR. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #210
I initially thought, "Dear Violent Racist White America," would have been a better title, Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2015 #199
I have to laugh when "hostility to women's rights" Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #202
Good read, but why is the author oblivious to homophobia as part of the Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #209
Can we please just distinguish between Shankapotomus Aug 2015 #222
This is a succinct, concise heaven05 Aug 2015 #223
My dear friend, heaven. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #250
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