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(114,904 posts) Thu Jun 11, 2015, 03:58 PM Jun 2015

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Memo to the Clinton Campaign [View all]

To: Robby Mook, Hillary Clinton, John Podesta and assorted advisors

From: A Democrat who is having a hard enough time with the prospect of Clinton as nominee

Please rein in your surrogates.

Please do not give us a repeat of 2008 and the dubious, OK sleazy, tactics you employed against Obama.

Today, one of your surrogates, Representative Gutierrez, launched a very ugly and strikingly dishonest attack on Senator Sanders. Having Secretary Clinton say vague nice things about Sanders or simply ignoring him, while surrogates plant ugly, false suggestions, is not an acceptable practice. Obliquely going negative in this manner, when Senator Sanders has been so respectful of Mrs. Clinton, is particularly reprehensible.

I've committed to voting for the democratic nominee. Mrs. Clinton is the odds on favorite. I'd like to keep that commitment, but if this type of nasty attack against Sanders keeps going on, I'll consider that commitment null and void.

I realize that this may seem irrelevant to you, but I rather suspect I have quite a bit of company.

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Memo to the Clinton Campaign [View all] cali Jun 2015 OP

. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #1

Considering that he is a son of an immigrant Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #40

I 'was' ready to enthusiastically support Hillary. fleabiscuit Jun 2015 #181

I am starting to wonder why I took you off "ignore" corkhead Jun 2015 #182

And what did Gutierrez say? MineralMan Jun 2015 #2

here cali Jun 2015 #3

Thank you. MineralMan Jun 2015 #5

He's not sure if Bernie likes immigrants. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #4

He flat out attacked Sanders in a thoroughly ugly and dishonest way. cali Jun 2015 #7

Did you even read what he said. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #25

yeah questioning whether Bernie likes minorities and immigrant- and immigrants cali Jun 2015 #27

It most certainly wasn't an attack. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #47

pitiful defense of smearing. cali Jun 2015 #51

. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #55

sure. you keep on with that. it's a winner! cali Jun 2015 #58

You bet it is. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #60

yup DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #119

Kinda like Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild's of PUMA (Party Unity My Ass) 2banon Jun 2015 #160

If you have not accepted Bernie as your personal savior ... JoePhilly Jun 2015 #134

"Smearing"? How did he "smear" him? George II Jun 2015 #108

Some of Bernie's supporters... quickesst Jun 2015 #92

It was a smear and an attack. Can't fool us. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #114

If it means smearing good 840high Jun 2015 #116

It was a clear attack. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #112

if he has nothing for immigrants, he has nothing for his own father. roguevalley Jun 2015 #194

No, he's not sure if...uh...what's his name...Sanders likes immigrants jeff47 Jun 2015 #11

that anyone would compare Bernie asking Hillary to clarify her position cali Jun 2015 #15

it speaks volumes.. frylock Jun 2015 #39

And apparently that goes for some of her supporters cali Jun 2015 #48

Don't you know cali, only Sanders supporters are big ol' meanies. cui bono Jun 2015 #197

And here we are again Aerows Jun 2015 #96

This tactic turned off millions of voters in 2008 and drove them into the Obama camp. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #120

+1 BeanMusical Jun 2015 #188

Personally I hope the Clinton surrogates continue to do this davidpdx Jun 2015 #180

And the usual suspects are here to tell us how wrong we are. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #117

Yes, because implying one's opponent is a bigot is exactly the same as asking one's opponent to smokey nj Jun 2015 #14

disgusting cali Jun 2015 #28

Disgusting is all they have and I honestly think this tactic is going to backfire. smokey nj Jun 2015 #32

Could not agree more MissDeeds Jun 2015 #137

Just because you're not paying attention to Bernie, doesn't mean Exilednight Jun 2015 #16

This is not a tit for tat. Sanders wanting to know Hillary's stand on TPP is a legitimate question. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #29

Trying to nail down a position on a trade agreement vs implying Sanders doesn't like immigrants.. frylock Jun 2015 #38

Yeah, same thing. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #122

Perhaps Bernie would elaborate on his stance in regards to immigration, if he A Simple Game Jun 2015 #104

are you suggesting he is losing control of his message? He has relinqueshed it to the media? DrDan Jun 2015 #168

No I am not suggesting Bernie has lost control. I am suggesting that maybe the A Simple Game Jun 2015 #169

no - I cannot help you out - just reacting to your post where you claim he DrDan Jun 2015 #170

And it sounds to me that no matter what I say you will always find fault with Bernie A Simple Game Jun 2015 #171

I have yet to find fault with Bernie, and have yet to claim support for Hillary DrDan Jun 2015 #173

His position isn't hard to find, but I doubt you will look for it. A Simple Game Jun 2015 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author DrDan Jun 2015 #177

please show me where I found fault with Bernie. Quite the contrary . . . DrDan Jun 2015 #178

apparently he never read this: DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #111

I wonder if Hillary Clinton doesn't care about immigrants SCREWED by our H-2B program... cascadiance Jun 2015 #125

Sanders and Clinton are both set to address Latino politicians group next week in Las Vegas... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #6

not to mention that Bernie has repeatedly addressed immigrant issues cali Jun 2015 #8

Maybe his website could reflect that better BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #13

doing him a favor. what bull. And Hillary has nothing on her website- about any issue cali Jun 2015 #17

She does have the whole thing translated into Spanish though BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #20

Any idiot can run it through Google translate Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #43

Or anyone who speaks Spanish might be grateful and feel valued. bettyellen Jun 2015 #103

When every link is a donate page, the verb you want is "priced," not "valued" Scootaloo Jun 2015 #164

I honestly think O Malley's site is by far the best right now, Hill's is largely a place holder bettyellen Jun 2015 #179

Dona ahora frylock Jun 2015 #129

For real? (I haven't looked at it.) SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #101

Not even a "This space for rent, asking price $500,000" sign? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #163

Maybe Hillary's website could reflect any issues other than her quest to be a champion. morningfog Jun 2015 #26

lol...maybe she's still making up her mind BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #30

She is mining votes not supporting issues. Wake up - this is political. jwirr Jun 2015 #94

Oh, I'm awake BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #141

Clinton on the issues.. frylock Jun 2015 #41

Just about the only content there.. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #46

This is more like it BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #50

I like both O'Malley and Sanders Aerows Jun 2015 #99

+1 N/t Raine1967 Jun 2015 #105

Thanks for that link, BeyondGeography . sheshe2 Jun 2015 #147

He's not so polished as some might like. Its a dull website. But the candidate is on the issues. marble falls Jun 2015 #196

They'll change their minds after Sanders.. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #42

Clinton and Carson arranged to speak at the conference LuvLoogie Jun 2015 #158

I'm in the company . . . fadedrose Jun 2015 #9

Yeah. I wouldn't think it clever to make the lesser evil too evil, ya know. djean111 Jun 2015 #10

even if those talking points weren't handed to Gutierrez, there should be some kind geek tragedy Jun 2015 #12

this seems like an intentionally planned Geraldine ferraro moment JI7 Jun 2015 #18

no doubt Gutierrez thought he was scoring some points geek tragedy Jun 2015 #22

Did you actually send this to Mook, Clinton, Podesta, etc Renew Deal Jun 2015 #19

Do you think it is impossible for truedelphi Jun 2015 #23

I actually sent it. cali Jun 2015 #31

She can't help it. The Clintons are despicable. They were in 2008 and they will be in 2016! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #21

Yep bravenak Jun 2015 #34

Totally agree. 840high Jun 2015 #155

Only Hillary bashing is aloud! No criticism of anyone else! DanTex Jun 2015 #24

pathetic. this is about her surrogate, not poster's on a message board cali Jun 2015 #33

Of course, Hillary put him up to this. Yay conspiracy theories! DanTex Jun 2015 #35

Bernie has never run a negative campaign/ad in his life. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #44

I can honestly say I wasn't aware about Andrew Cuomo. Had to look it up. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #118

It's starting again. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #162

every public official, elected dem who endorses her is a surrogate cali Jun 2015 #45

Hmm. That's an interesting standard. Seems to me that you're running out DanTex Jun 2015 #52

that's the commonly accepted standard. or don't you remember 2008? cali Jun 2015 #53

If you say so. This was just a guy speaking his mind without any DanTex Jun 2015 #56

Just like Geraldine Ferraro in 2008. jeff47 Jun 2015 #61

If you think this guy was somehow being coached by the Clinton campaign then, yes, DanTex Jun 2015 #66

So Clinton's campaign is utterly incompetent? jeff47 Jun 2015 #67

First of all, Hillary's campaign hasn't even launched yet. DanTex Jun 2015 #71

Pssst...those happened in 2008. Her campaign was definitely launched. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #72

I was talking about the incident in the OP, not the 2008 incidents. DanTex Jun 2015 #73

Which is why you were replying to a post about the 2008 incidents. jeff47 Jun 2015 #74

My mistake. I don't care about the 2008 incidents, seeing that it's now 2015. DanTex Jun 2015 #75

Uh...the primary reason Clinton argues for her campaign is her lengthy track record. jeff47 Jun 2015 #77

Her track record is a lot more than the 2008 campaign, you know. DanTex Jun 2015 #81

Not according to what your previous post. jeff47 Jun 2015 #93

Again, I don't care about those 2008 incidents. At all. DanTex Jun 2015 #95

I wish to associate myself with the comments of the Gentleman from Texas. ellisonz Jun 2015 #97

Do you believe that Campaign HQ is anything other... bvar22 Jun 2015 #62

No supporters? think4yourself Jun 2015 #79

If you can't compete debating the issues, I guess Swiftboating comes next. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #191

Starting out by pretending not to even know his name??? Paka Jun 2015 #36

So the Clinton campaign goes negative and it already backfires on them.. big time.. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #37

I suspect Bernie's surrogates would make the same mistake from time to time... brooklynite Jun 2015 #49

I know you're wrong. her pattern is clearly established, as is his. cali Jun 2015 #54

Excellent job showing us just how classy Clinton's fans are. jeff47 Jun 2015 #57

...something the Sanders fans mastered months ago... brooklynite Jun 2015 #68

Yes, asking for Clinton's position on the TPP is totally offensive and out-of-line. jeff47 Jun 2015 #70

You lie. Did you keep a 840high Jun 2015 #121

Didn't see Sanders fans accusing Clinton of having dual loyalties. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #166

At least according to the DU talking points. cui bono Jun 2015 #198

Rattling one's jewelry and bragging about one's political junkets also does wonders, I hear - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #187

What the hell does Gutierrez suppot of Sen O'Malley on immigration have to do with Hillary misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #59

Wrong candidate. Gutierrez backs Clinton. jeff47 Jun 2015 #65

fail. he is a Clinton supporter. way to demonstrate you don't have a clue cali Jun 2015 #136

No You are the big Fail. Try informing yourself. misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #138

Psssst....dude.....you owe Cali an apology. TM99 Jun 2015 #154

Maybe wait until you're not high and wasted before posting, mister. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #167

Gutierrez supported Rahm Emanuel over Chuy Garcia for Chicago Mayor. Zorra Jun 2015 #63

And so did most of the voters in Chicago. brooklynite Jun 2015 #69

and that DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #176

Sorry to know that, it says much about Gutierrez. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #183

Why do you think his comment comes from the Clinton Campaign? oberliner Jun 2015 #64

Of course it is his own opinion, but blaming Hillary is more fun for Bernie supporters. leftofcool Jun 2015 #76

He's a Clinton surrogate. I'm asking the campaign to tell surrogates cali Jun 2015 #82

I'm not defending his statement oberliner Jun 2015 #83

Maybe Bernie's campaign can tell surrogates like you to stop the smearing still_one Jun 2015 #140

You should heed your own advice. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #78

I'm not a surrogate for any campaign. duh cali Jun 2015 #85

Sen. Sanders would be so proud of you---not. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #130

I'm sure they'll give your memo all the consideration it deserves LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #80

if they were smart they would. I'm not alone cali Jun 2015 #86

I get it now. murielm99 Jun 2015 #84

Did you read what Gutierrez actually said? Maedhros Jun 2015 #151

A Bernie supporter accusing someone of whining? murielm99 Jun 2015 #161

Memo to the Bernie Hacks on DU . . . Gamecock Lefty Jun 2015 #87

Why do you call Sanders supporters "hacks?" cyberswede Jun 2015 #89

Looks like someone lost a sock. smokey nj Jun 2015 #102

And the jury says . . . (5 to 2) LEAVE IT! Divernan Jun 2015 #156

Supporters are hacks? 840high Jun 2015 #123

More sleazy Clinton bullshit, guess they didn't learn anything from 2008 tularetom Jun 2015 #88

maybe you should talk to Michelle Kwan antigop Jun 2015 #90

Michelle Kwan is going to talk to us about working families? TBF Jun 2015 #148

When I first read the article posted elsewhere here, I thought it was a derogatory comment... George II Jun 2015 #91

how about pretending he didn't know his name ? JI7 Jun 2015 #100

I'm not making excuses for him, but I'm also not going to say he "pretended" to not know his name... George II Jun 2015 #106

he has a long time relationship with sanders JI7 Jun 2015 #109

A couple of years ago I sat down at a bar next to a guy I worked with for eleven years.... George II Jun 2015 #124

Ah yes! The joys of plausible deniability. n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #98

Wow! ibewlu606 Jun 2015 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Jun 2015 #110

feel the bern , eh? DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #113

Bernie's position on this issue is as good or better than Hillary's. Maedhros Jun 2015 #152

I agree with you Cali jalan48 Jun 2015 #115

If she is the candidate - I'll write 840high Jun 2015 #127

Typical. If you don't support the Democratic nominee, you will not vote for that nominee. still_one Jun 2015 #145

NOTHING will null & void my vote for our Democratic candidate. Duppers Jun 2015 #126

Absolutely correct, and though I suspect that the majority of Democrats and Progressives will still_one Jun 2015 #146

Yes, you have company. navarth Jun 2015 #128

Why do you do this sort of thing? Almost every day baiting others asjr Jun 2015 #131

it's just screwed up to see this as baiting cali Jun 2015 #135

Its like an addiction for some people. Fits of spiteful hate misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #139

I'm gonna guess... Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #144

I can only speak for myself, but I don't want to see Hillary anywhere near the White House. Maedhros Jun 2015 #153

+1 MissDeeds Jun 2015 #157

you seem desperate! stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #132

She won't say her position on the TPP zentrum Jun 2015 #133

The two faces of Hillary are seen time and again, forthcoming only orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #142

The Clintons have repeatedly shown hifiguy Jun 2015 #143

Straw-grasping at its finest! n/t NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #149

I believe the congressman spoke for himself bigtree Jun 2015 #150

Well Done, Cali! 2banon Jun 2015 #159

So you would risk throwing this country completely to the Republicans?? DCBob Jun 2015 #165

my vote is irrelevant, as is yours if you live in D.C. cali Jun 2015 #172

So if you lived in any of the battleground states then that changes your statement. DCBob Jun 2015 #175

You've got it backwards. Sen Sanders will unite the Democratic Party while rhett o rick Jun 2015 #192

You've got it confused. DCBob Jun 2015 #201

Exactly. If HRC wins the nomination the Democratic Party risks losing to the Republicons rhett o rick Jun 2015 #202

Which if the so called "progresives" did that.. DCBob Jun 2015 #203

The main point is that we will all lose if a Republicon wins. It doesn't make it any better rhett o rick Jun 2015 #204

K & R Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #184

I'll keep you company. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #185

Kicked SoapBox Jun 2015 #186

“We’ve got the socialist, uh I can’t remember his name. Bernie Sanders,” sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #189

There is an old folk saying, "Birds of a feather flock together". Zorra Jun 2015 #190

+++++ Voice for Peace Jun 2015 #193

Hear, hear! +1000 marble falls Jun 2015 #195

Nailed it!! Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #199

Just the start of the Sleazefest Indepatriot Jun 2015 #200