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In reply to the discussion: Hillary Offers Wait and See Statement on TPP [View all]Koinos
(2,792 posts)65. Even Senate Democrats Can't Get the Information
Even Senate Democrats aren't getting the information they need to make an informed decision. Otherwise, why are Senator Sherrod Brown and others "fuming over the 'fast-track' trade deal," according to this article in the National Journal:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/senate-finance-committee/senate-democrats-are-fuming-over-the-fast-track-trade-deal-20150417
It appears that President Obama and Republican leaders are keeping many democrats in the dark and attempting to "fast track" the fast track deal.
It is important to understand what "fast track" means with regard to this trade authorization.
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Due to the bad history the default should be opposition until we know what's in it.
HereSince1628
Apr 2015
#4
Hint : The rich people who know what's in it like it. They are keeping it secret from
GoneFishin
Apr 2015
#33
Yep. I agree. And also, anything the Republicans want bad enough to cooperate
GoneFishin
Apr 2015
#46
Obama is keeping the information from us. He's had secret meetings. Go watch the Sherrod Brown
cui bono
Apr 2015
#87
I am paying attention, some say there are leaks, I take this to mean exactly it is a leak.
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#15
Yeah, when it's too late. That's a tired and lazy excuse you've got there. Go do the research.
cui bono
Apr 2015
#88
When negotiating there are proposals and counter proposals, ergo a leak today may not
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#98
How about waiting to see what is in the TPP before surrendering the right to amend,
Faryn Balyncd
Apr 2015
#31
Some "champion" Hillary is, always hedging her bets, afraid to take a principled stand like Elizabeth, Bernie, or Martin...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2015
#60
Which is why she and every democrat should be voting AGAINST FAST TRACKING IT. How the hell can we
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#68
I wonder what stockholders felt about trusting heads of Enron and Arthur Anderson in their day...
cascadiance
Apr 2015
#93
Fucking exactly right. When do you think we should start learning what's in it?
cherokeeprogressive
Apr 2015
#70
Exactly! If she was selling this treaty as SOS to other countries and doesn't NOW know what's in it?
cascadiance
Apr 2015
#92
"Should we wait and see if opening the barn doors will allow the horses to get away?"
delrem
Apr 2015
#83
Meh. I can see why some are very concerned about it, but I don't think it's unreasonable
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#22
Did you even read the modified FT legislation that is about to be enacted. You are weeks behind.
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#67
Yes, I did. A few concessions due to the immense opposition to this. No way satisfactory. Thankfully
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#76
There is nothing in the final draft that might be presented to Congress that you won't know about.
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#79
So we are being lied to by all of our Democratic Representatives and what we have already seen is
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#84
The 4 year classification bull is at best misinterpretation of facts, at worst, an outright
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#85
Do you know who is sponsoring this bill? And where are you getting your information? I'm getting
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#89
Obama holds most of the cards. If the agreement is not good, he doesn't submit it to Congress.
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#99
Did you support Bush when he wanted to fast track his Trade Agreement in 2007?
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#71
Do you know what's in the TPP? Republicans trusted Bush. We slammed them for being blind to
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#74
Are you serious? Then please, fill us in. We have been trying to get that information for several
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#78
Most of it has been released.. And the modified Fast-Track proposal from yesterday says you will
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#82
Terms to be kept secret for 4 years after passage or end of negotiations to be exact
Teamster Jeff
Apr 2015
#41
The 4 years applies to NEGOTIATING documents. Besides that image shows even that is not "secret."
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#51
And I wish you'd lose the image of Hillary's logo sodomizing the GOP elephant.
winter is coming
Apr 2015
#49
Good to see a Democrat wanting to see the final document before passing judgement.
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#27
Perhaps Bernie looked into the eyes of the leaker and saw the soul of TPP.
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#52
Did you support Bush fasting tracking a trade agreement in 2007? You know, trying to push it
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#69
"She’s (HRC) also taken a leading part in drafting the Trans-Pacific Partnership"
OhioChick
Apr 2015
#66
So we prefer non-decisive candidates over decisive ones on issues like this for our president? HUH?
cascadiance
Apr 2015
#91