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Thinkingabout

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52. Perhaps Bernie looked into the eyes of the leaker and saw the soul of TPP.

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 08:14 PM

Apr 2015

Bernie is running on nothing, kicking butts of others. When you are negotiating the information changes from day to day. Even Union Negotiators knows this, one day there is a proposal on the table and then tomorrow it may be a counter offer. This is why when with union contracts the final contract is the one voted and if the final is not the one in which is voted then somebody is lying.

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Hillary Offers Wait and See Statement on TPP [View all] bigtree Apr 2015 OP

Is it just me or did she not say if she supports the TPP or not? The other two kelly1mm Apr 2015 #1

you're reading that right bigtree Apr 2015 #3

I think we should first learn what is in the TPP before giving opinions. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #2

Due to the bad history the default should be opposition until we know what's in it. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #4

Have your opinion, i choose to wait until the official release happens. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #10

Hint : The rich people who know what's in it like it. They are keeping it secret from GoneFishin Apr 2015 #33

There was a link here on DU to comments by some hifiguy Apr 2015 #40

Yep. I agree. And also, anything the Republicans want bad enough to cooperate GoneFishin Apr 2015 #46

Oh yeah, probably getting paid to keep the information from you. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #45

Obama is keeping the information from us. He's had secret meetings. Go watch the Sherrod Brown cui bono Apr 2015 #87

if you don't know what's being proposed, you're really not paying attention bigtree Apr 2015 #5

I am paying attention, some say there are leaks, I take this to mean exactly it is a leak. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #15

Yeah, when it's too late. That's a tired and lazy excuse you've got there. Go do the research. cui bono Apr 2015 #88

sorry, the leaks have been verified by multiple sources cali Apr 2015 #90

When negotiating there are proposals and counter proposals, ergo a leak today may not Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #98

The thing has 25 -chapters-, we've seen nothing like all of it. HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #20

i know PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #23

And free cake and ice cream for everyone. GoneFishin Apr 2015 #35

How about waiting to see what is in the TPP before surrendering the right to amend, Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #31

The very fact that TPP remains a "secret" krishnarama Apr 2015 #34

Welcome to DU! Phlem Apr 2015 #55

Some "champion" Hillary is, always hedging her bets, afraid to take a principled stand like Elizabeth, Bernie, or Martin... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #60

Which is why she and every democrat should be voting AGAINST FAST TRACKING IT. How the hell can we sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #68

I wonder what stockholders felt about trusting heads of Enron and Arthur Anderson in their day... cascadiance Apr 2015 #93

Fucking exactly right. When do you think we should start learning what's in it? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #70

Tell me, thinkingabout Scootaloo Apr 2015 #80

Do you believe that Hillary Clinton doesn't know what's in the TPP? delrem Apr 2015 #81

Exactly! If she was selling this treaty as SOS to other countries and doesn't NOW know what's in it? cascadiance Apr 2015 #92

So: she knows what's in it. n/t delrem Apr 2015 #94

I am tired of "national security" F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #6

Wait and See? Koinos Apr 2015 #7

"Should we wait and see if opening the barn doors will allow the horses to get away?" delrem Apr 2015 #83

*punt* bunnies Apr 2015 #8

+1 LOL Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #12

LOL !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #13

Champion Koinos Apr 2015 #16

Hey! bunnies Apr 2015 #19

Corporate People Koinos Apr 2015 #24

That champion line is one that will no doubt keep on giving. morningfog Apr 2015 #17

Indeed. bunnies Apr 2015 #21

lol AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #37

... winter is coming Apr 2015 #47

Seems reasonable to me. What's the problem here? DanTex Apr 2015 #9

The question is why can't Hillary say whether se supports it or not? morningfog Apr 2015 #14

Probably because she's more pro-free-trade than either of those two. DanTex Apr 2015 #18

Hillary Clinton knows what's in the TPP. delrem Apr 2015 #86

Leaders lead, and Triangulators amorphously equivocate 4139 Apr 2015 #11

Eschew obfuscation. hifiguy Apr 2015 #48

Forswears succinctness 4139 Apr 2015 #53

Meh. I can see why some are very concerned about it, but I don't think it's unreasonable geek tragedy Apr 2015 #22

Terms of TPP Koinos Apr 2015 #29

You'll know the terms well before Congress votes. Hoyt Apr 2015 #30

Even Senate Democrats Can't Get the Information Koinos Apr 2015 #65

Did you even read the modified FT legislation that is about to be enacted. You are weeks behind. Hoyt Apr 2015 #67

Yes, I did. A few concessions due to the immense opposition to this. No way satisfactory. Thankfully sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #76

There is nothing in the final draft that might be presented to Congress that you won't know about. Hoyt Apr 2015 #79

So we are being lied to by all of our Democratic Representatives and what we have already seen is sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #84

The 4 year classification bull is at best misinterpretation of facts, at worst, an outright Hoyt Apr 2015 #85

Do you know who is sponsoring this bill? And where are you getting your information? I'm getting sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #89

Obama holds most of the cards. If the agreement is not good, he doesn't submit it to Congress. Hoyt Apr 2015 #99

Did you support Bush when he wanted to fast track his Trade Agreement in 2007? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #71

I trust Obama, not bush or his brother. Hoyt Apr 2015 #72

Do you know what's in the TPP? Republicans trusted Bush. We slammed them for being blind to sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #74

I know plenty about it, you could too if you'd do some research. Hoyt Apr 2015 #75

Are you serious? Then please, fill us in. We have been trying to get that information for several sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #78

Most of it has been released.. And the modified Fast-Track proposal from yesterday says you will Hoyt Apr 2015 #82

Terms to be kept secret for 4 years after passage or end of negotiations to be exact Teamster Jeff Apr 2015 #41

Reason enough to beat it to death with an ax hifiguy Apr 2015 #43

Yes, it's toxic and they know it! nm Teamster Jeff Apr 2015 #44

The 4 years applies to NEGOTIATING documents. Besides that image shows even that is not "secret." Hoyt Apr 2015 #51

It's called triangulation. krishnarama Apr 2015 #36

Amazing how the TPP is turning into a golden turd! Rex Apr 2015 #25

i wish the progressive caucus's plan would get more play in the media. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #26

And I wish you'd lose the image of Hillary's logo sodomizing the GOP elephant. winter is coming Apr 2015 #49

Ok. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #50

Thank you. That's much better. n/t winter is coming Apr 2015 #56

Good. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #57

Thank you, as well. demmiblue Apr 2015 #58

No problem. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #59

I commend you. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #62

Thank you. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #63

I agree about the elephant image. Thanks for changing it. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #105

Ok. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #106

Good to see a Democrat wanting to see the final document before passing judgement. Hoyt Apr 2015 #27

Bernie just kicked the sorry butts of BO and HRC re TPP on Big Ed's show. polichick Apr 2015 #28

Perhaps Bernie looked into the eyes of the leaker and saw the soul of TPP. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #52

Did you support Bush fasting tracking a trade agreement in 2007? You know, trying to push it sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #69

I trust Obama. Those who support him can read this thing in a few days. Hoyt Apr 2015 #73

That's about the size of it. ucrdem Apr 2015 #77

Can you provide a link to some boston bean Apr 2015 #32

Here: tammywammy Apr 2015 #38

Thank you. boston bean Apr 2015 #39

another bigtree Apr 2015 #64

I am sure she is intense consultations with her owners at Goldman hifiguy Apr 2015 #42

You go girl! peace13 Apr 2015 #54

Wait and see... hay rick Apr 2015 #61

"She’s (HRC) also taken a leading part in drafting the Trans-Pacific Partnership" OhioChick Apr 2015 #66

She doesn't have to wait and see. Koinos Apr 2015 #101

So we prefer non-decisive candidates over decisive ones on issues like this for our president? HUH? cascadiance Apr 2015 #91

The ball is in congress' court LuvLoogie Apr 2015 #95

She is running for the highest office. Sorry, the private citizen stuff doesn't wash. It's the cali Apr 2015 #96

She has no vote LuvLoogie Apr 2015 #97

Clinton could add her name into the fight, just as O'Malley has. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #100

Agree AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #102

I'm wrong about O'Malley LuvLoogie Apr 2015 #104

Profiles in Courage material. senseandsensibility Apr 2015 #103