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In reply to the discussion: Party Loyalty [View all]1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)247. And it would be the rare, rare Democratic nominee ...
(whomever they are) that would vote against your specific interests on any of these ... But I, also, can't think of a single republican candidate that would vote to support ANY of these interests.
The decision for any democrat, anyone on the Left and any progressive should be clear! So ... I really don't have any idea why we are having this discussion?
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Plus it is another RW falsehood. The Dem vote for Bush in Florida made Nader votes meaningless.
Rex
Mar 2015
#14
Also conveniently forgotten is the approx. 80,000 probable Dem voters who were wrongfully purged.
Fuddnik
Mar 2015
#22
unrelated aside: i recently learned diebold is a very old company, started as a safe company
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#92
And ES&S is no better. Diebold accomplished its 'mission' but had such a bad reputation
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#139
It's former glory was the 1950s & 60s. the only thing he likes about that period was segregation
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#91
yes. i don't get why some folks are so fixated on nader while caring so little about voter
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#55
too challenging intellectually, emotionally, psychologically to face the facts.
2banon
Mar 2015
#135
And that would help explain why so many Republicans were elected and so few Democrats this last
-none
Mar 2015
#210
+10 Saw the video & post about the Chair of the FL Dem. Party & her husband. Awful- Mess.
appalachiablue
Mar 2015
#167
He is not missing the point. It appears you have completely missed the point. GORE WON!
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#39
Must have been a conservative-Bush voting Dem no doubt. I emember Sandra O'Connors comments
2banon
Mar 2015
#137
I'm sure MIRT, assuming it was not a long time poster, took care of that obvious right wing troll?
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#181
You're the one that has "missed the point" as well as misunderstanding the facts.
2banon
Mar 2015
#118
Would you support instant runoff voting then? Ralph Nader running then wouldn't have mattered...
cascadiance
Mar 2015
#124
That's something to think about. You make some excellent points that if Dems really
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#218
"It’s strange to me, as an activist on the left, to see how we continue to be taken for granted"
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#8
Jesus, I'm sorry the haberdasher from Independence allowed himself to be used
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#245
Excellent OP. One of the issues I have with the center is that they always demand party loyalty
Rex
Mar 2015
#9
heck, the vacuous parties south of the border would at least hand out a little beef
MisterP
Mar 2015
#127
Southcom in Panama, Ft Benning, Ft Bragg, and some mysterious place in Houston TV's broadcast range
MisterP
Mar 2015
#156
I'm a bit late to this thread, but I sure as heck wish you and H20 Man woud build
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#248
I read somewhere that, in 1980, the then head of the DNC wrote Democrats in Congress,
merrily
Mar 2015
#282
There's no point in winning if we act like republicans when we get in. Policy and politics aren't
craigmatic
Mar 2015
#17
We need to start thinking past just getting the SCOTUS nominees to getting progressive laws passed.
craigmatic
Mar 2015
#31
Right now, the SCOTUS nomination is the MOST IMPORTANT thing as President can do.
Adrahil
Mar 2015
#65
Who was the Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee when Scalia and Thomas were confirmed?
Fuddnik
Mar 2015
#126
I tend to think of all these little word-completer and spell-check functions
Jackpine Radical
Mar 2015
#82
If you are worried about Scotus, then tell the Party Leadership to provide candidates that represent
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#40
I was going to reply to you but woo said it 576 times better than I could
LondonReign2
Mar 2015
#192
'I'm not interested in noble defeats'. Me neither. So you must be, like most Democrats I know, very
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#93
And I've personally seen our current DNC Chair endorse Repukes over progressives in congressional ra
Fuddnik
Mar 2015
#134
Amazing, isn't it? How it's okay for elected Dems to endorse Republicans, while BLAMING VOTERS
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#142
I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. -Will Rogers
Katashi_itto
Mar 2015
#23
I stopped reading at --- "Still, Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election."
Major Hogwash
Mar 2015
#32
The truth is the truth and it's hard to contradict it. Gore won that election. And he would have
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#48
Who said Gore became President? No One. Gore Won, but wasn't ALLOWED to take his rightful place.
2banon
Mar 2015
#147
Well, personally I would not comment on something I admit I did not read. I would find it hard to
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#179
AKA: A "bloodless coup d'etat". I agree with you, but it's fascinating that the person
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#249
Thank you for this excellent OP. Bookmarking for the inevitable scolders and fingerwaggers.
SaveOurDemocracy
Mar 2015
#34
Are you implying that the rest of us here haven't done the same thing? THAT is the point of this
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#43
Are you saying that the Democratic Party is NOT 'left'? Since when did the 'left' become a
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#50
All the benefit they need to know is they don't have an elk's chance in a supernova without us and
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#94
My anger was well earned over a number of years. I didn't start out this way by ANY stretch.
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#131
How sad. You are using, maybe inadvertently, the old Limbaugh, Right Wing noise machine
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#271
Yes, there isn't a Democrat around here who doesn't recognize those old talking points aimed at
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#304
You're not alone. Dem Party voter registration is down to only 32% with many now registering
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#223
Well, it's possible I'm misunderstanding you. And I do respect that you are willing to discuss
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#225
The Third Way Think Tank has enormous influence on the LEADERSHIP of the Dem Party. They
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#187
You know you keep trying to convince yourself (and others) of that ...
1StrongBlackMan
Mar 2015
#201
That poll proves what I stated. The majority of Dems are Liberals. Conservo Dems dropping
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#220
I am baffled by that chart also. It proves me and the other poster to be correct. The smallest group
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#228
+1, this logic seems like common sense low hanging fruit, the rest seems like rationalization
uponit7771
Mar 2015
#76
Mahalo 1StrongBlackMan!.. No, "party loyalty" from me whatsoever.. I couldn't care less..
Cha
Mar 2015
#229
Me, neither.. it seems stupid. Maybe somebody on here was talking about the need but I ignore
Cha
Mar 2015
#257
This is so true: "the true progressive-liberal wing rarely gets any seat at the table"
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#45
The left is taken for granted...and then blamed if things don't work out right
cyberswede
Mar 2015
#79
I think the real reason why Republicans do not treat their voters, no matter how far out they are,
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#194
Especially when it is THEIR ideas that are the most popular with Voters across the political spectru
WillTwain
Mar 2015
#146
And they've lied about that too. We are constantly told the lie that 'this is a right of center
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#198
It's odd that those calling for Party Loyalty vote for Democratic politicians who disloyally
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2015
#51
the ones who applauded Lieberman after lecturing us that third parties were ruining America?
MisterP
Mar 2015
#123
And you're not the only one nor are your friends. The largest voting bloc in the country now
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#221
Party loyalty doesn't make much sense. People should vote for the Democratic candidate in close
Chathamization
Mar 2015
#78
Loyalty to the oligarchy to win elections. OZ ...uhm ...err ...Money has spoken.
L0oniX
Mar 2015
#86
Now I just shake my head when I read negative posts here about the Democratic Party`s "left"
democrank
Mar 2015
#96
I prefer Warren and I probably won't vote for Hillary in the primary, but yes . . .
Vinca
Mar 2015
#162
I saw this starting back in the 80's when I worked in local television news operations...
cascadiance
Mar 2015
#144
Greg Palast is doing it on a shoestring. Even with the money, can we build a liberal media?
Gregorian
Mar 2015
#158
And I again see the media as playing a role in educating people to even see this.
Gregorian
Mar 2015
#166
Yes, we need to strategically do public campaign financing right. It isn't well understood yet!
cascadiance
Mar 2015
#175
Generally, the Democratic left can be taken for granted because we are compassionate, responsible,
Zorra
Mar 2015
#149
Outstanding OP and thank you for the history lesson here for the younger members.
2banon
Mar 2015
#152
Magisterial essay. Should go viral, imo. The "anybody but Jesse" campaign
KingCharlemagne
Mar 2015
#242