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Telcontar

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52. Jesus flipping fucking Christ, stop with the amature lawyer bullshit

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 10:10 AM

Mar 2015

In the capacity of an elected official, immunity applies - UCMJ does not apply.

On top of that, you are mistaken conflating UCMJ regulations with Nation Guard. The only time a Guard member is subject to UCMJ is when under Federalization orders.

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Lt. Col. Joni Ernst broke the law by signing the seditious letter to Iran. [View all] kpete Mar 2015 OP

Can a civilian request prosecution? If not, nothing will happen. Vinca Mar 2015 #1

Great question marym625 Mar 2015 #3

Probably nothing will happen because joshdawg Mar 2015 #76

Court Martial or Dishonorable discharge. nt avebury Mar 2015 #145

Start a White House petition to court martial Ernst demwing Mar 2015 #162

Great! I wondered about this as soon as I saw her name marym625 Mar 2015 #2

Mark my words Abouttime Mar 2015 #17

done and doing marym625 Mar 2015 #27

Man , you remind me of stuff I should be doing. busterbrown Mar 2015 #113

Cool! marym625 Mar 2015 #123

We can put pressure on her in two ways. First email this Law to the Iowa Governor. If you cannot jwirr Mar 2015 #69

God I want you to be right, sadly I think she just became unbeatable in her home state. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #101

Her qualifications to be a Senator BetsysGhost Mar 2015 #129

What are the papers of record in her state? The Blue Flower Mar 2015 #111

Welcome to DU, Abouttime! calimary Mar 2015 #115

Not possible under UCMJ, maybe under state code. Angleae Mar 2015 #4

Can you please elaborate? marym625 Mar 2015 #46

She is not a full time active duty military officer hack89 Mar 2015 #48

Thank you marym625 Mar 2015 #50

I guess I wasn't thinking court martial, as much as relieved of duty Sheepshank Mar 2015 #60

A civilian court can't do either of those things hack89 Mar 2015 #61

Her commanding officer could give her a letter.... MADem Mar 2015 #80

No reprimand or Article 15 can be issued SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #125

This is true, usually, but "conduct unbecoming" can be an issue even when someone is off duty. MADem Mar 2015 #135

From post #31 SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #142

so, have you been successful in shutting down hopemountain Mar 2015 #156

I'm not trying to shut anything down SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #176

They can't do that without UCMJ action. Lee-Lee Mar 2015 #64

I assumed UCMJ involvement...but the level of scruitiny for discharge must be done via Court Martial Sheepshank Mar 2015 #66

You May Be Misreading This DallasNE Mar 2015 #133

I believe that's what I said. Angleae Mar 2015 #140

Who is responsible for enforcing this? Maybe a petition should be started at White House website. BigBearJohn Mar 2015 #5

Speaking of Petitions........ cynzke Mar 2015 #22

LOL To be honest I suspect it would not make the Obama family all that happy either. jwirr Mar 2015 #70

I know you were attempting to be lighthearted, but the truth is that nothing could make the repubs onenote Mar 2015 #79

Yes, and it would just make Dems look like Tea Partiers who don't understand the rules. n/t cui bono Mar 2015 #107

No one is responsible for enforcing it in this case madville Mar 2015 #47

She drills aspirant Mar 2015 #110

Actually she isn't. Angleae Mar 2015 #154

I wish she'd be held accountable, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. nt City Lights Mar 2015 #6

Because IOKIYAR. NT tblue37 Mar 2015 #40

I don't think it will matter. SamKnause Mar 2015 #7

yep! n/t CanSocDem Mar 2015 #14

That is the unfortunate truth. zeemike Mar 2015 #21

At least we nail them if they leak classified material especially about illegal activities. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #84

So let's certainly not raise a stink about it then? calimary Mar 2015 #122

Very Well Put Maynar Mar 2015 #157

"contemptuous words" seems pretty subjective cyberswede Mar 2015 #8

That is the key point Roy Rolling Mar 2015 #42

I was just about to post this SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #126

She should be Court Martial! B Calm Mar 2015 #9

Hey, it was a joke! fadedrose Mar 2015 #10

Why isn't Senator Graham getting called out? yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #11

Not again! Kingofalldems Mar 2015 #20

Your support for Graham is strange yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #34

I stick up for NO republicans. Kingofalldems Mar 2015 #83

Art form... Sounds good. yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #86

Nope...you'd have to do it "for exposure." Atman Mar 2015 #93

That is good. Good belly laugh. yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #149

He actually said that if he is elected president his first act would be to establish tblue37 Mar 2015 #44

Now that is scary! yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #65

Well, he didn't actually say that. Atman Mar 2015 #94

What??? cui bono Mar 2015 #108

Wasn't this already tried during her campaign? Oktober Mar 2015 #12

People don't understand how these codes apply to madville Mar 2015 #39

Good, aspirant Mar 2015 #112

Completely wrong, that law doesn't apply to her madville Mar 2015 #13

Code of conduct does not state if you are on active duty only. B Calm Mar 2015 #15

It states that one is subject to the code madville Mar 2015 #24

She is still serving! B Calm Mar 2015 #25

This has already been hashed out multiple times madville Mar 2015 #31

Non Active does not relieve them of their obligation to abide B Calm Mar 2015 #32

Yes it does madville Mar 2015 #36

First, you need to learn the Differnce Between the Code of Conduct and UCMJ Lee-Lee Mar 2015 #54

Depends James48 Mar 2015 #56

Actually yes, it does. n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #127

They have to abide by their STATE codes--which are usually very similar to the federal ones. nt MADem Mar 2015 #136

Not correct James48 Mar 2015 #55

Is that in writing anywhere? madville Mar 2015 #68

Check the Iowa State Military Code. leftofcool Mar 2015 #102

So as a retiree, I would think you'd be opposed to the absurdly broad onenote Mar 2015 #82

I am not in the military. leftofcool Mar 2015 #103

Was responding to James48, not you. onenote Mar 2015 #106

I am not in the military. cui bono Mar 2015 #109

Yes James48 Mar 2015 #118

R-diculous Telcontar Mar 2015 #131

She is subject to the State of Iowa military code active duty or not. leftofcool Mar 2015 #19

No madville Mar 2015 #23

I just wanted to let you know that... Pacifist Patriot Mar 2015 #51

No James48 Mar 2015 #57

Well, the Iowa National Guard disagrees with you madville Mar 2015 #62

Yes James48 Mar 2015 #120

Seen a bunch as well but madville Mar 2015 #124

Keep Reading DallasNE Mar 2015 #134

If she is on duty madville Mar 2015 #137

Show Me The Language In The Code DallasNE Mar 2015 #141

It says "while serving" madville Mar 2015 #144

She's still drawing a paycheck! B Calm Mar 2015 #155

Yes, which means nothing madville Mar 2015 #164

Amazing. . . B Calm Mar 2015 #165

Sadly, I think you're right. n/t progressoid Mar 2015 #78

So we have two junior senators with broad military experience speaking against their President. BigBearJohn Mar 2015 #16

Really? Well, who knew she'd jump right into it without giving it Cha Mar 2015 #18

While I agree with the intent of the post, where the hell did you ever get the idea that we are not Hoppy Mar 2015 #26

Busted to buck private HoosierCowboy Mar 2015 #28

What exactly are the "contemptuous words against the President" in the COLGATE4 Mar 2015 #29

She's not subject to these military codes anywa madville Mar 2015 #33

I defer to your knowledge of her being under the UCMJ COLGATE4 Mar 2015 #37

The letter implies Obama wants Tehran to build nukes. nt SunSeeker Mar 2015 #43

So how is this being 'contemptuous' to the President? COLGATE4 Mar 2015 #45

OFFS. It suggests Obama is fine with Iran nuking us and/or Isreal. SunSeeker Mar 2015 #49

I agree. While idiotic, there's nothing outright disparaging to the President in the letter. Calista241 Mar 2015 #67

How the fuck is suggesting Obama's fine with the US being nuked not disparaging? nt SunSeeker Mar 2015 #87

See post #72. onenote Mar 2015 #114

Do I smell a military coup? Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #30

marking rurallib Mar 2015 #35

KnR. Someone should start a petition to have her charged--and we should tblue37 Mar 2015 #38

Are you suggesting that you understand the UCMJ? onenote Mar 2015 #77

No, I don't. nt tblue37 Mar 2015 #150

And no one will do squat about it left-of-center2012 Mar 2015 #41

Jesus flipping fucking Christ, stop with the amature lawyer bullshit Telcontar Mar 2015 #52

Active duty and also a Senator Cryptoad Mar 2015 #53

Bring UCMJ actions...... UCmeNdc Mar 2015 #58

Please. Just stop. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #59

+the biggest number possible. See post #72 onenote Mar 2015 #85

Does this mean she has to give back all the money for signing it? nt valerief Mar 2015 #63

If there is any way she can Duval Mar 2015 #71

Which is why the concept of charging her under the UCMJ is so absurd. onenote Mar 2015 #74

When did criminalizing speech become a progressive value? onenote Mar 2015 #72

Thanks. I understand it Duval Mar 2015 #75

Treasonous lies are not protected speech. SunSeeker Mar 2015 #89

And when did throwing around the word "treason" become a progressive value. onenote Mar 2015 #92

No one is casually throwing the word out. So you're fine with Cheney walking free? SunSeeker Mar 2015 #96

Your position is that only government officials can commit treason? onenote Mar 2015 #99

No, that's not my position. I think Cheney is a traitor. Do you? SunSeeker Mar 2015 #160

I think Cheney harmed this country immeasurably. onenote Mar 2015 #163

It certainly helped al qaeda. You know, the guys who actually attacked America. nt. SunSeeker Mar 2015 #169

Good luck proving that Cheney's intent in fomenting war was to help al qaeda onenote Mar 2015 #170

Yes, yes they are Telcontar Mar 2015 #105

OFFS. Burning a flag is not the same as sabotaging a nuclear disarmament deal. SunSeeker Mar 2015 #159

Oh, I see. You're charicature Telcontar Mar 2015 #172

so breadbag joni stuck her foot in it again???? niyad Mar 2015 #73

Trumped by Article , Section 6 of the US Constitution S_B_Jackson Mar 2015 #81

Section 6 specifically exempts them from protection if it is an act of treason. SunSeeker Mar 2015 #88

You're joking right? onenote Mar 2015 #90

You're joking right? SunSeeker Mar 2015 #91

so why doesn't Iran just walk away? onenote Mar 2015 #95

Because the deal would end the sanctions that are crippling their country. nt SunSeeker Mar 2015 #97

Right. So tell me again how interfering with the negotiations aids Iran onenote Mar 2015 #98

If the GOP craters the deal, the extremist mullahs win. SunSeeker Mar 2015 #161

You might want to check out Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution, too. WillowTree Mar 2015 #100

Indeed. S_B_Jackson Mar 2015 #167

What a ridiculous, embarrassing thread. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #104

AMEN! Thank you for the refreshing breaths of COLGATE4 Mar 2015 #116

Agreed. tammywammy Mar 2015 #119

Ain't that the truth. onenote Mar 2015 #121

Sorry, doesn't apply jmowreader Mar 2015 #117

Perhaps the hog castrations affected her thinking. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #128

So did Alaska's Dan Sullivan Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #130

Wouldn't This Also Apply To Sen. Graham DallasNE Mar 2015 #132

It even might apply to retired members of the military onenote Mar 2015 #138

Yes ... but flying-skeleton Mar 2015 #139

And maybe that won't because Article 88 has zero application here. onenote Mar 2015 #143

Unfortunately, you are right. We don't want to ruffle any feathers with the GOP YOHABLO Mar 2015 #148

Or maybe, just maybe, we want to act like progressives onenote Mar 2015 #152

kick samsingh Mar 2015 #146

IOKIYAR blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #147

This.. yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #175

Contract with America father founding Mar 2015 #151

She needs to immediately resign her commission or be court-marshaled the next time she is activated nakocal Mar 2015 #153

If you don't know how to spell court martial, you probably also don't know Article 88 onenote Mar 2015 #166

Here's what they look like..... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #158

come on, we all know nothing is going to happen to any of these traitors. nt Javaman Mar 2015 #168

GUYS - RED ALERT! I just phoned my Senator's office and complained about this, calimary Mar 2015 #171

Damn right she's active! She still is on the National Guard PAYROLL! B Calm Mar 2015 #173

Please feel free to bring it to YOUR Senator's attention. calimary Mar 2015 #174

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ sheshe2 Mar 2015 #177

Done. calimary Mar 2015 #181

calimary ~ hopemountain Mar 2015 #178

You are correct hopemountain! lovemydog Mar 2015 #179

This should be an OP. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #180

Done! calimary Mar 2015 #182