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hunter

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49. My father-in-law was a medic. He told the Navy flat out he'd never shoot anyone.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 04:24 PM
Mar 2015

He wouldn't hold a gun.

He missed out on active duty in Korea by strange fortune. Instead they used him in atomic bomb experiments. He's one of the few people I've met who has witnessed atomic bomb explosions up close and once walked into ground zero while things were still on fire. Afterwards, him and all the guys he was with discarded their clothing and scrubbed the fallout off themselves until the radiation detectors said they were "safe." It wasn't a safe level for many people. My father-in-law was lucky.



My dad's eyes weren't good, so the Army made him a clerk. He'd probably have been a M.A.S.H. "Radar" sort of character if they'd sent him to Korea. He's an artist and a lover and a gardener among his many talents, not a warrior.

My dad's dad was an Army Air Force officer in World War II. He was obsessed with airplanes, in what we now know as an "autistic spectrum" kind of way. He wanted to fly, really really very badly, but his physical coordination and sense of balance were not adequate. He was a bit of a klutz. Hell, I can say it now, many years after his passing, he was frightened by bicycles. How do those things stay up? He couldn't do the math in his head fast enough. But otherwise he was very gifted with mechanical things.

He was later one of the many engineers who worked on the Apollo Project. Somewhere in his military service he'd acquired a familiarity with titanium. My grandfather never ever talked about his military service, I think some of it may have been dirty and abhorrent, but I got my enthusiasm for science and engineering and space exploration from him. His contributions to the moon landing were his proudest achievement.

My mom's dad was a Conscientious Objector during World War II. My mom's family were religious dissidents and pacifists, which is why they left Europe in the 1800's and ran as fast as they could into America's Wild West, later to find themselves in the heart of Mormon country, where they could make a living raising cattle, procuring booze, and mediating unseemly disputes between Mormons, very, very discreetly. The U.S.A. military gave my mom's dad a choice: prison or building Liberty and Victory ships. He chose to build ships. During the war he once got beaten bloody by the cops for protesting the Japanese Internment. They were taking away his neighbors.

My mom has a friend who was coincidently protected by a Mormon family. They "bought" the family's California property and invited them to work for them in Utah. When the war was over they "sold" the property back to the Japanese family, honest dealings all around, all profit to the original Japanese owners, enough to get them back on their feet again. Unfortunately that was not the norm in such dealings. Many very valuable Pacific Coast properties were lost to Japanese-American families by false promises.

My parents raised me and all my siblings as pacifists. When the war in Vietnam ended we were all thoroughly Quaker, and I was not yet quite old enough to be drafted. Had I been, I'm pretty sure they'd have bought me safe passage to someplace beyond the U.S.A. draft boards' reach.

Conscientious Objection poll [View all] Ken Burch Mar 2015 OP
I believe the requirement should be for national service BainsBane Mar 2015 #1
That's slavery and is unconstitutional. bananas Mar 2015 #10
There has been a draft in this country you know BainsBane Mar 2015 #11
And yet that's exactly how it is. bananas Mar 2015 #14
That reasoning would make military service by draft a form of slavery Silent3 Mar 2015 #37
Yes, and that reasoning was taken to the Supreme Court in 1918 bananas Mar 2015 #46
I suggest you do some reading on slavery BainsBane Mar 2015 #54
It's not slavery if the conscripts are adequately paid meow2u3 Mar 2015 #43
That's involuntary servitude, which is also illegal and unconstitutional. bananas Mar 2015 #50
Interesting point, but no one is going to conscientiously objecto Ken Burch Mar 2015 #16
Exactly, which is why a conscientious objector status would be unnecessary. BainsBane Mar 2015 #45
Except it's illegal and unconstitutional. bananas Mar 2015 #52
What can "manditory national service" do that cannot be... stone space Mar 2015 #27
The idea of national service BainsBane Mar 2015 #55
NO More war!!! onecaliberal Mar 2015 #2
I agree, but what about this? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #26
Offer them all refugee status, pay for them to relocate to the US Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #30
We do need to help the Afghan women and Children. onecaliberal Mar 2015 #33
Thus a tough call, not as simple as some make it out to be. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #34
I'm not criticizing POTUS. He inherited this whole mess. onecaliberal Mar 2015 #35
Sorry but if the American people want the draft which the military doesn't want anyway, then under yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #3
You're assuming war and the draft can be done right. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #4
Oh I know. I say my BS above because I don't think we could have a draft even if we wanted too yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #5
Thanks for clarifying. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2015 #6
Anytime! Have a great night! yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #7
Conscientious objectors made their case to the warmongers. bananas Mar 2015 #12
So let's NOT do it. John Poet Mar 2015 #18
Everybody should be drafted sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #8
Even if that were the case, TPTB would still get cushy spots for their own. BillZBubb Mar 2015 #9
I voted NO fadedrose Mar 2015 #13
How 'bout we just say NO to war? John Poet Mar 2015 #19
Besides NATO fadedrose Mar 2015 #23
I think anyone that does not want to serve, need not fear the tyranny of service. Rex Mar 2015 #15
No one should be able to be forced to kill another human being. Marrah_G Mar 2015 #17
Less then 25% of the positions in the military are combat positions, In other words anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #21
NO DRAFT -- AT ALL HeiressofBickworth Mar 2015 #20
Wow, thanks for posting that story. rgbecker Mar 2015 #47
No exemptions for ANYONE in other words ones money will not save their ass anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #22
In what sense is a draft that people can just refuse a draft? Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2015 #24
Other. LWolf Mar 2015 #25
not all people are capable. no one should be forced. there will always be enough that volunteer. seabeyond Mar 2015 #28
The US has used the draft for WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam Lurks Often Mar 2015 #36
they did it, because of the times and the accpetance of it and many reasons. they do not do it seabeyond Mar 2015 #38
You need to look into the link more, we had a draft during peacetime Lurks Often Mar 2015 #39
there are a lot of IF's in that. i do not hold the position understanding we live in a fluid world seabeyond Mar 2015 #40
I'm against wars madokie Mar 2015 #29
Actually, I think conscientious objector status should include more than just drafts. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #31
I'm with you on that. rgbecker Mar 2015 #48
“Patriots always talk of dying for their country but never of killing for their country.” Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #32
As defined by Muhammad Ali's H2O Man Mar 2015 #41
I advocate a universal conscientous objector status, everyone should object. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #42
We need Combat Medics One_Life_To_Give Mar 2015 #44
My father-in-law was a medic. He told the Navy flat out he'd never shoot anyone. hunter Mar 2015 #49
Choice 1 is pretty much the legal definition. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #51
There should be no draft period, unless those people who are drafted will be the ones valerief Mar 2015 #53
I don't see an option for they just plain flat out don't want to be in the current military. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #56
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