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karynnj

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16. By definition, the Knesset always has a majority for the PM's coalition
Wed Mar 4, 2015, 12:44 PM
Mar 2015

Not to mention, the Knesset was dissolved when elections were called. There is a very hard to completely get process for how the new government is decided and formed.

Apparently, everyone in Israel votes for a party. Each party has a "list" with the names of who they would put in the Knesset in the order in which they will be put in. All parties that get less than 3.5% of the vote are eliminated and all others get a number of seats proportional to the remaining votes. (ie if your party gets 6 seats, they go to the top 6 on your list.)

Once the Knesset is formed, each MK can recommend who they want as PM. The President (Rivlin) chooses the head of some party to have the first try in forming a coalition. That person needs 61 of the 120 MK to join his/her government. It is not required to pick the party with the most votes. In 2009, Kadima, headed by Livni, got more seats than Likud, but the then President tasked Netanyahu to form the government as there were far more center right MK than center left and his view was that was more likely to work.

One thing that has greatly changed Israel is the absorption of over a million Russian Jews in the 1980s/1990s. Part of the motivation was Israeli concern over demographics - as there was a higher birth rate on the part of Israeli Arabs than Israeli Jews. It was also concern that the Russian Jews were discriminated against. Many of these immigrants are now the settlers of the West Bank. At any rate, Israel moved from its left center Labor roots to the right. (Consider that the coalition of Livni's party and Labor did not take the Labor name (or anything associated with leftish democratic roots -- but Zionist Camp)

Next remember how angry many Israelis were every time Kerry spoke even very diplomatically about the Palestinian issues. One thing that became clearer in the Gaza War last year was that it became far harder to be both liberal and Zionist -- and, at least to my reading the left leaning Haaretz, many journalist were extremely shaken by realizing that they could no longer avoid seeing that a choice must be made.

To me, this brought back what I found nearly schizophrenic in Haaretz journalist Ari Shavit's Promise Land book. He patted himself on the back repeatedly in the book for giving clear descriptions of the Nakba (day of the catastrophe) when on the eve of the birth of Israel Arabs were killed or driven out of many areas of Israel AND arguing that unlike many liberals, he accepted that the Nakba was necessary to have the state of Israel that exists today. A similar disconnect occurs when he lists that the choices for Israel now included 3 that were completely unacceptable (ethnic cleansing (sending the Arabs out of all the land that would be Israel), appartheid, and democracy for all (not Zionist!) - leaving only the 2 state solution, but he argued they currently did not have the political will or the right leader to do this. Note this was someone who had been part of the peace movement decades ago.

This may explain why some Israeli Arab leaders, who are likely to again be in the Knesset questioned whether supporting the left center was better for them --- suggesting the starker unacceptableness of Netanyahu as better. The more I read on Israel, the less optimistic I become.

Recommended for the straight up truth. Autumn Mar 2015 #1
+1 Scuba Mar 2015 #2
So liberalmike27 Mar 2015 #21
100-150? I believe that it may be more than that. 400---? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2015 #32
Bibi wants the US to bomb Iran for him and pay for it too. Israel has an advanced military, as well Erose999 Mar 2015 #3
Well all the American lives Aerows Mar 2015 #12
Sadly it seems that we are Israel's ally but they aren't ours. bigwillq Mar 2015 #17
And probably post unflattering pictures of us on Twitter. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2015 #20
Yes, it feels like we're The Abused Wife in an abusive marriage, so whathehell Mar 2015 #47
"Hey American boys and girls!" AngryDem001 Mar 2015 #37
You got that right. That stupid fuck is going to get us ALL killed! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #4
This says it all... Spazito Mar 2015 #5
Just like Darth Cheney in a yarmulke. Jeff Murdoch Mar 2015 #18
No, just like Cheney, full stop... Spazito Mar 2015 #19
Perfect! SoapBox Mar 2015 #6
Classic "let's you and him fight" and justhanginon Mar 2015 #7
Best description I've seen 2naSalit Mar 2015 #8
Obama enid602 Mar 2015 #9
xlnt idea kpete Mar 2015 #13
By definition, the Knesset always has a majority for the PM's coalition karynnj Mar 2015 #16
Excellent post. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2015 #22
Thanks - I hope that if there are people knowing more (any Israelis), they will point out any errors karynnj Mar 2015 #24
It is very confusing. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2015 #25
I was repeating just what one person was quoted as saying karynnj Mar 2015 #27
Thanks for asking clarification. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2015 #46
A classic example of the tail wagging the dog gregcrawford Mar 2015 #10
wrong ship father founding Mar 2015 #14
You're right. I stand corrected. gregcrawford Mar 2015 #23
Yup. I can't stand Bibi. TBF Mar 2015 #26
I heard the only game of cards the guy will play is WAR LynneSin Mar 2015 #11
This is what I want to hear from asiliveandbreathe Mar 2015 #15
'Straight out of the Dick Cheney playbook'. Of course it was, Bibi is the ultimate Right Wing Neocon sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #28
Was Israel an active ally in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? They sent combat troops in? ALBliberal Mar 2015 #29
It is the ancient principle first articulated by J. Wellington Wimpy hifiguy Mar 2015 #30
well said samsingh Mar 2015 #31
Netanyahu and the US neoCons.. bibi in 2003.. same ol shite different year.. Cha Mar 2015 #33
Great find, Cha! I saw a picture on Face the Nation R B Garr Mar 2015 #43
More on Bibi's shame.. "Netanyahu Invites Arab Diplomats to His Big Speech—and Gets Rejected" Cha Mar 2015 #44
Bibi’s Never Seen a War He Doesn’t Want the U.S. to Fight workinclasszero Mar 2015 #34
Put him on the front lines and see if he's still so Ed Suspicious Mar 2015 #35
Better yet, put his KIDS on the front lines! AngryDem001 Mar 2015 #38
K&R Thespian2 Mar 2015 #36
I just wish we didn't depend on Israel for our security... then we wouldn't have to take his shit whereisjustice Mar 2015 #39
Yes, exactly WHAT is it they do for us in return for that 1 mil a day we give them? whathehell Mar 2015 #42
It's over $8 million per day. Not counting the DOD's Black Budget. nt Bohunk68 Mar 2015 #48
Great -- That makes being able to answer to that question whathehell Mar 2015 #50
in a nutshell. spanone Mar 2015 #40
It's like an elementary school student ratting out the bully to the teachers. Initech Mar 2015 #41
The United States Military needs to bring back the draft before any new war rladdi Mar 2015 #45
Exactly why he should never be trusted. Kingofalldems Mar 2015 #49
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