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(5,818 posts) Tue Feb 17, 2015, 12:57 PM Feb 2015

Just as being a poor republican makes little sense, I cannot vote for Hillary. [View all]

Last edited Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:59 PM - Edit history (1)

I can't afford to support any more corporate, wealth-addled, and conventional candidates for President. Frankly, I feel as if my economic life as well as the environment are on a very short clock in terms of remediation. My brother and father are both disabled - my brother intensely so - and so I worry about the republican influence on SSI, but I have no reason to trust Hillary in terms of economic focus on the poor or disabled.

I believe that wealth corrupts and corrodes morals while distancing one from the day to day "animal" aspects of human life such as food, shelter, dignity, and so on. I am prejudiced in that way. I am sorry for that, but money-grubbers have ruined community in my experience and I will not vote for one for President.

I may skip that section. I may write someone in. I won't vote for Hillary or other weath-disabled moral personas because I don't think there is enough time for significant reform by moderates who money-grub.

Good luck to all.

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Just as being a poor republican makes little sense, I cannot vote for Hillary. [View all] RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 OP

I will likely not vote for her. bigwillq Feb 2015 #1

We don't want a Clinton/Warren ticket. There is no better way to neutralize someone rhett o rick Feb 2015 #248

I would rather see Warren stay in the Senate bigwillq Feb 2015 #250

Not me. I took an oath in 2002. Just sayin'. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #252

A Goldman Sachs/Warren ticket would invalidate Warren forever. L0oniX Feb 2015 #324

Yep! rhett o rick Feb 2015 #343

No way Elizabeth would compromise her principles and agree to run with Hillary. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #358

She would have nothing to gain and everything to lose. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #360

+1 Bucket of piss and all that. Ed Suspicious Feb 2015 #351

Better to have it Warren/Clinton Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #359

. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #2

+1 MoonRiver Feb 2015 #255

Only you can control your economic future snooper2 Feb 2015 #3

Riiiiiiiight. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #6

that's why 1/4 of americans were unemployed during the depression; they just didn't ND-Dem Feb 2015 #21

amen to that. nicely put. guillaumeb Feb 2015 #135

Yeah! Just start a business!!! Yep! That's the ticket! calimary Feb 2015 #202

Yikes! guillaumeb Feb 2015 #232

Also, it sickens me that for the RW, it really doesn't matter what sort of business you run, or who Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #262

I can see the lemon aid stands popping up all over now. L0oniX Feb 2015 #325

"a chicken in every garage" BlueJazz Feb 2015 #338

ditto marions ghost Feb 2015 #319

........ daleanime Feb 2015 #31

Spoken like a true 3rd wayer. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #44

* L0oniX Feb 2015 #336

Which Koch brother are you? I think you may be on the wrong site. benz380 Feb 2015 #56

... TBF Feb 2015 #67

Please tell me your forgot the Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #68

Thanks for posting this. Rex Feb 2015 #96

thank you, means a lot coming from you LOL, hey, there are a couple RT threads snooper2 Feb 2015 #130

Yes because I am so supportive of RT! Rex Feb 2015 #257

snooper2 told me writing about JFK assassination is same as beating a dead horse. Octafish Feb 2015 #365

Said every conservative ever. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #105

What color is the sky in the world you live in? hifiguy Feb 2015 #209

Me? Shit!. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #249

Sometimes... laundry_queen Feb 2015 #278

WTF? #@*&#*&$*oligarchy boot straps(#&*(@^^^@!* L0oniX Feb 2015 #334

Please tell that to the folks who have had their savings stolen... peace13 Feb 2015 #352

I think you underestimate the power of politicians and those that influence them. nt ohnoyoudidnt Feb 2015 #362

''Geithner foamed the runway for the banks.'' Octafish Feb 2015 #364

just like santa monica mom just cant get vaccinations for their kids Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #4

Not sure why so many Clinton haters just don't see this potential fall out? Sheepshank Feb 2015 #9

thanks i'm very concerned about scotus - all other concerns are secondary for now , to me anyway Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #15

Clinton would appoint who her corporate masters tell her to for SCOTUS. benz380 Feb 2015 #73

Please prove it. Sheepshank Feb 2015 #100

Remember who controlled the Senate when both Scalia and Thomas were confirmed. Fuddnik Feb 2015 #148

But the PRESIDENT nominates the person for Supreme Court nakocal Feb 2015 #270

Roberts and Alito could not have been seated... bvar22 Feb 2015 #240

I thought we were talking about POTUS, and POTUS nomintions for SCOTUS? n/t Sheepshank Feb 2015 #242

Total BS. Why are you on this board- to tout the Republican crapola. olegramps Feb 2015 #205

Not sure why so many Clinton supporters just don't see this potential fall out? Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #47

Exactly n/t 99Forever Feb 2015 #64

I'm not a newbie and I "get it." A Simple Game Feb 2015 #97

My "get it" comment was regarding SCOTUS Sheepshank Feb 2015 #103

I know your comment was regarding the Supreme Court, indirectly so is mine. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #265

Even against Bush? Sheepshank Feb 2015 #291

Especially against Jeb. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #305

you are wong wrong wronggity wrong Sheepshank Feb 2015 #307

My mistake, I forgot Hillary won the nomination and general election in 2008. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #311

you are still using personal opinion as if it were fact... in my book that's making up shit Sheepshank Feb 2015 #312

At a year and a half out, my opinion is worth just as much as yours. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #313

Maybe you should direct your question to the Warren and Sanders supporters? After all... George II Feb 2015 #108

Warren has not REPEATEDLY said she was NOT running, A Simple Game Feb 2015 #266

Well.... George II Feb 2015 #268

You may be the only person left to still blame Nader for Gore's loss. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #303

Maybe I'm just the only one who hasn't forgotten about that election and what Nader did... George II Feb 2015 #304

Although I didn't vote for or support Nader, as an American A Simple Game Feb 2015 #306

Well, there are demonstrable advantages to vaccinations. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #10

"Hillary has no demonstrable advantages for me *economically *" but Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #20

Can you tell me some examples of SC influence on macro/micro economics? RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #27

I am gay. The SCOTUS can have a HUGE impact on my economic well being dbackjon Feb 2015 #86

Thank you for reminding me of these important matters. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #190

even more added to the list already supplied to you... Sheepshank Feb 2015 #115

Thank you. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #191

Glad to help out guillaumeb Feb 2015 #157

Thank you. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #192

Wow Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #175

Here are some examples of the Supreme Court's influence on economics. lovemydog Feb 2015 #184

Thank you for this post and the scope of your perspective is informative. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #188

My pleasure. lovemydog Feb 2015 #267

Right AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #32

The Hillary-picked SCOTUS meme is all they got. Wall St. will tell her who to pick. nt benz380 Feb 2015 #82

so much bull in such a short sentence. Sheepshank Feb 2015 #111

scotus is all that matters right now and i dont care who the dem nominee is Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #112

Scotus is not all that matters. Not by a long shot. More bs trade agreements like TPP, more Keystone peacebird Feb 2015 #123

yes we might and it would b better to go there with a scotus that isnt actively against us Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #106

Scotus psychics aspirant Feb 2015 #127

She's not Paul Ryan. jwirr Feb 2015 #80

he would rather have paul ryan becuase hillary might throw corporate america a bone Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #109

A bone? HRC will thrown them the whole damn carcass! Divernan Feb 2015 #119

another seer - so many people can see the future Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #121

Clintons' values/priorities are clear to the tune of $70 million. Divernan Feb 2015 #128

how do you know where that money came from and what it bought Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #132

The Clintons' Web of Wealth-yes indeed, where did it all come from? Divernan Feb 2015 #154

Continued expose-sources of Clintons' ill-gotten millions. Divernan Feb 2015 #158

and when potus is finished he'll do the same circuit just like all the presidents (xcpt for carter) Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #162

NO! Because Michele won't be a potential president herself. Divernan Feb 2015 #169

that doesnt stop ex-presidents from going on the lecture circuit .. Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #173

The Clintons' vortex of wealth comes from parties interested in U.S. policy Divernan Feb 2015 #166

So people are willing to pay to attend his speech so what? olegramps Feb 2015 #212

When corporations pay, it's quid pro quo Divernan Feb 2015 #244

$70 million? Whoa, they didn't stay dead broke for long. n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #239

Solidarity isn't a one way street. If the Supreme Court (aka mostly abortion) matters so much TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #35

and if the choice is in the primary for HRC or someone else, go for it onenote Feb 2015 #46

So what are the corporatists going to GIVE for our votes aspirant Feb 2015 #137

"My side"? onenote Feb 2015 #149

The democrats aspirant Feb 2015 #180

You make a lot of assumptions onenote Feb 2015 #201

Your as plain as a blank sheet of paper. aspirant Feb 2015 #227

Here: Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #233

The choice is to elect REAL Democrats to Congress. And that is what people will be doing with their sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #251

Foisting Goldman Sachs on us is the oligarchy's way of insuring an oligarchy win ...either way. L0oniX Feb 2015 #327

Bullshit, a vote for a Republican is a vote for a Republican no other votes are added to their tally TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #287

No we don't want a President Cruz. What you are proposing is a continuation of the 'vote for the sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #98

+1 A Little Weird Feb 2015 #131

+1000 JEB Feb 2015 #276

is there a stance she'll refuse to sell out on? a Pub policy she won't push? MisterP Feb 2015 #140

what i saw in november was the most pathetic turnout of any election and Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #145

And that happened because "Vote against the Republicans" doesn't get turnout. jeff47 Feb 2015 #203

then maybe things do need to get really bad so that people will understand that voting, for Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #211

Yea, beat them until morale improves. jeff47 Feb 2015 #220

"Yea, beat them until morale improves." not at all it's 'suffer the consequences of your actions' Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #228

Again, you are talking as if Democrats are entitled to those votes. jeff47 Feb 2015 #234

well you can chose a rocket sled to hell where no one will care what YOU have to say Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #237

Unlike cable news and their painful 24-hour news cycle.... Buzz Clik Feb 2015 #5

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #142

Then you are a tool for the Republican party Egnever Feb 2015 #7

I am a tool of many powerful entities. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #11

Absolutely true Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #42

If you help the GOP win the election onenote Feb 2015 #48

One more time... Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #57

You are assuming equal choices. But that's not the reality of political choices onenote Feb 2015 #72

English, do you speak it? Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #90

Yes I do speak English onenote Feb 2015 #161

It is the lesser of two evils Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #216

My world discerns differences. Yours does not. onenote Feb 2015 #253

Again, a matter of degree, not substance Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #272

True, the people who are hurt by the $8.7 billion in cuts suffered onenote Feb 2015 #273

You offer me a choice akin Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #284

No, I offered you the choice of stopping someone who would harm 4 million onenote Feb 2015 #286

I will run into the building to save children Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #290

No, you'll just allow the folks burning the buildings filled with children to do so onenote Feb 2015 #292

One more time... Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #294

One guy sets a fire to kill people. Another tries to stop it, but to prevent the fire from killing onenote Feb 2015 #298

No. Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #299

No, it is the choice between those that would harm a million and those that would harm 2.3 and TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #347

The 1.3 million that suffer only because you stood on principle onenote Feb 2015 #348

and the one million you guys want to slaughter for shits and giggles don't care if you think it is TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #349

As I said, the ratios are far greater onenote Feb 2015 #350

You aren't saving anyone. Intending to willfully kill less than another TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #353

Keep telling yourself that onenote Feb 2015 #354

No, there is no expectation of awards for not being a willful, rationalizing murderer. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #361

Willful rationalizing murderer is a good description of what you are onenote Feb 2015 #363

Once again a plot to kill less people is not "saving" the ones you don't plan to murder. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #370

I don't know. If I am broke as fuck and feel I have to shop at Wal-mart RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #59

+100. benz380 Feb 2015 #87

So with that same mindset.... Sheepshank Feb 2015 #118

Why aren't the corporaDems accused aspirant Feb 2015 #153

I feel compelled to not vote for President. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #156

NOPE NOT AT ALL Sheepshank Feb 2015 #241

Claiming that HRC is the better choice Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #39

Well said! benz380 Feb 2015 #91

NO!...it's not the same Sheepshank Feb 2015 #120

No, in the long run Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #146

I will vote for the Democratic nominee sharp_stick Feb 2015 #8

well said TexasProgresive Feb 2015 #50

Ouch. My eye! nt silvershadow Feb 2015 #164

Anyone that doesn't have that philosophy has no business infesting this site dbackjon Feb 2015 #89

This is democratic underground fbc Feb 2015 #107

The purists forget what they did in 2000. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #94

What a vote for Vice President "I agree with Governor Bush" and Senator "I stand with John McCain"? TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #295

+1 JoePhilly Feb 2015 #126

+100 MineralMan Feb 2015 #243

Absolutley. great white snark Feb 2015 #256

I've seen no sign that Hillary wants to cut SSI. Many republicans have made it clear pampango Feb 2015 #12

There are so many dynamics at play that I have to resort to pattern-seeking. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #24

So, Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #52

Neither have I seen any sign that Hillary will "probably only let the wolves eat a few of your pampango Feb 2015 #55

Her policy is Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #61

Yup.Gays in the military don't cost the One Percent anything. Divernan Feb 2015 #133

This is why the Kochs Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #150

So you would rather see a republican in the office demigoddess Feb 2015 #13

If it's unacceptable to you to have a repub in office aspirant Feb 2015 #165

When you have a Republican House of Representatives, demigoddess Feb 2015 #317

Scott Walker and the Koch Brothers thank you for your support! FSogol Feb 2015 #14

I am fairly certain they are thankful for Hillary's "inevitability" RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #17

I doubt it. Why would they spend 1 billion to defeat her if they want her to win? FSogol Feb 2015 #25

Do I believe other powerful multimillionaires will vote for Hillary? RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #30

Because they win no matter who is elected between HRC and any conservative Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #66

If that were true, they wouldn't have to spend a penny on elections. They are fighting hard and FSogol Feb 2015 #69

You very much underestimate their Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #71

No, I completely understand it. No matter what happens, they will still be rich. FSogol Feb 2015 #85

In order for them to get richer Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #102

A billion is chump pocket change for them. L0oniX Feb 2015 #329

Yea ...it's either we support them or Goldman Sachs. L0oniX Feb 2015 #328

Good luck to you. n/t Orsino Feb 2015 #16

Thanks. Things are tough and I am balanced on a blade RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #19

While I think you should vote for the better candidate, or for the lesser evil... Orsino Feb 2015 #23

Good luck finding someone to vote for... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #18

I know. It is so goddamm frustrating. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #22

Or, highly successful people with good ideas. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #26

Yeah! Sure! Totally! RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #28

So you disagree that Warren and Sanders Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #36

I disagree that it is merely that simple. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #45

I have to tell you, I know lots of rich people, lots of poor people, plenty in the middle and I do Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #60

It is a prejudice and it is unfair. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #74

Could You Please Point Me To Your Reference? ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #172

I believe these are the sources I used. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #179

Thanks Doc! ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #219

I am not a huge fan of Hillary Clinton Bettie Feb 2015 #29

I have reached the age of moral outrage, I guess. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #38

I get that Bettie Feb 2015 #254

When your decision is based on one person instead of an idea, you lose. And will always lose. randome Feb 2015 #33

I'm sorry if I implied perfection. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #41

Trust me, that poster knows what you meant. Rex Feb 2015 #258

Once, I thought I'd hold my nose and do it if she was the nominee; now, not sure closeupready Feb 2015 #34

Cutting off your nose to spite your face. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2015 #37

I am tired of the threats. The money-grubbers serve the grubbers. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #40

And she will do for the American poor what she did for Walmart's working poor - closeupready Feb 2015 #51

'Ineffective' is better than 'destructive', which is what Republicans would bring. randome Feb 2015 #58

"build up an alternate candidate" RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #181

Tough. Find another Dem candidate then. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #53

it's ridiculous isnt it "hillary might do something i dont like so im gonna let the cons have it " Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #155

The Clinton administration's policies saved my life as a child living in poverty. Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #43

MISOGYNY! HILLARY IS NOT BILL, SHE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTS! TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #344

I will vote for that candidate who best represents my views. Maedhros Feb 2015 #49

As the parent of a severely disabled daughter and one who has advocated for her group for years jwirr Feb 2015 #54

As I mentioned upthread, there are so many dynamics at play. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #63

Admittedly, if one defines one's politics entirely by "me me me" your position makes sense onenote Feb 2015 #83

I feel comfortable that my situation is common enough to earn the rhetorical "I, me, my" RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #93

The "me me me" is indicative of probably the majority of people in the country. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #310

Same here. I refuse to participate LittleBlue Feb 2015 #62

Those who will die from lack of medical care and food stamps etc. onenote Feb 2015 #76

Our Democratic president cut $8.7 Billion in food stamp assistance. RiverLover Feb 2015 #116

Thus proving the point, although not the one you think you are making onenote Feb 2015 #177

"I refuse to participate Doc Holliday Feb 2015 #143

Well alrighty, then....nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #65

Since she is a registered Democrat and served as a Democratic Senator. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #70

Yes, they are unacceptable to me. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #84

And if Richard Nixon had John Kennedy's money he would have taken a bath in it. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #151

The rules of the Democratic Party are explicit. If you register, you are a Democrat. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #208

Sir, tiredtoo Feb 2015 #75

Radiation does not have to keep it up donnasgirl Feb 2015 #114

Yes I know that tiredtoo Feb 2015 #134

Simply put NO donnasgirl Feb 2015 #138

well then we are in agreement tiredtoo Feb 2015 #141

I do not think we are in agreement when it comes to Hillary donnasgirl Feb 2015 #160

Excellent article Divernan Feb 2015 #247

Hate to burst your bubble young lady but tiredtoo Feb 2015 #224

Yes, yes. I'm very sure. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #167

Brilliant, and obviously you don't realize there is a difference between republican still_one Feb 2015 #77

So what are you going to give us for our votes? aspirant Feb 2015 #215

Vote for whoever you want, I don't care, I told you the SC is at stake, but for those still_one Feb 2015 #230

The more I hear about Hillary the less I want to vote for her. Kablooie Feb 2015 #78

That's the whole idea. Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #92

Clintons have handed out $70 million in corporate IOU's Divernan Feb 2015 #122

I'm not a huge Hillary fan, but I will work for and support her, if she is our nominee. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #79

A new facebook page, just today -Be a Progreesive Hammer not Hillary's nail RiverLover Feb 2015 #81

Yeah, sure, that will solve it...not NotHardly Feb 2015 #88

Some people like to think long and hard. Some people like to have extended conversations. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #95

You have to be a guy DownriverDem Feb 2015 #99

So, other than spouting platitudes, what are the specific Clinton economic policies you object to? brooklynite Feb 2015 #101

You really shouldn't confuse the poor fella with facts./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #104

Those aren't policies, obviously, they are positions and votes. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #163

This is actually a very powerful meme salib Feb 2015 #110

Perhaps if you want to keep it going you can respond to my #101 brooklynite Feb 2015 #113

Why are you interrupting his "very powerful meme"? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #125

Yep, this is a powerful one alright. salib Feb 2015 #222

BTW, that eliminates the entire Repug field, so this is not about voting for one of those thieves. salib Feb 2015 #223

You are never voting for one person. You are voting for a candidate's team. randome Feb 2015 #117

You mean like Obama's "Team of Opposites": bvar22 Feb 2015 #259

Thank you for pointing this out. It's the appointments and the policies, not the D or the R. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #296

Why is it "safe to say"? It isn't true now, Obama's "team" stinks like shit. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #281

Obama's picks stank from day one. L0oniX Feb 2015 #330

Hillary isn't my first, second, third, or fourth choice, but... Omaha Steve Feb 2015 #124

The place to battle Clinton is in the primaries davekriss Feb 2015 #129

Papa Paul Whores work is never done! Cryptoad Feb 2015 #136

If Hillary is our nominee, I will most definitely vote for her. The alternative is not acceptable secondwind Feb 2015 #139

If she is the nominee I will vote for her. indivisibleman Feb 2015 #144

Humans like all apes exist in a hierarchal alpha social structure. gordianot Feb 2015 #147

Maybe it is in our DNA. I don't know. I have a hypothesis though: RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #170

Humans always have and will seek an advantage for survival no matter where on the human heirarchy. gordianot Feb 2015 #193

It just seems to me - and who can know - that "97%" (to be optimistic) RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #195

I compare it to the High School Football player who thinks he will make it to the NFL. gordianot Feb 2015 #225

Well Thanks 4 Handing Over The Presidency To Republicans Corey_Baker08 Feb 2015 #152

Meh. I don't even know you. Block me. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #187

A non vote supports both parties? That's BS... Corey_Baker08 Feb 2015 #300

I just have nothing more to add. I will re-emphasize that for my family, time is crucial. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #308

I Know What Your Going Thru, I Am Homeless... Corey_Baker08 Feb 2015 #318

Good luck to you and I hope you feel peaceful. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #321

There's a difference between can't and won't. I'm in the won't camp. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #159

you wont hold your nose for the lesser of 2 evils so youll just hand it over to the ... jeez Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #168

If one abstains from voting for Pres, they support all candidates equally. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #171

but that is what it does, non-voting is not a victim-less act - we need your vote to nullify Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #178

But I am also not nullifying a dem vote by voting repub. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #183

ok charles or is it david? Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #186

You can click the link in my signature RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #196

If you need my vote then act like it. I'm convincable, what do I get in return? TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #288

I think you highly overestimate the influence of my one vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #176

well those are some pretty sentiments and youre correct the koch bros werent there then but Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #182

I've voted in 13 presidential elections. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #194

every vote counts and every election is important - too bad more people dont get that Romeo.lima333 Feb 2015 #235

Maybe, you're right. So, I don't waste it on politicians that I don't agree with. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #238

I'm with you. It is up to the extremists on the right of our party to rejoin the silvershadow Feb 2015 #174

if abstentionists are to blame for a winning GOPper's policies, are Hillary all on the hook MisterP Feb 2015 #185

thank you all, purity democrats for electing a REPUBLICAN. i am sure you sole is a-ok. USA? pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #189

If I abstain from voting, I "elect" both candidates equally. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #197

Goldman Sachs 2016 L0oniX Feb 2015 #331

Then you have effectively voted for a Republican. olegramps Feb 2015 #198

I don't subscribe to the false equivalency that a non-vote equals a vote for one's "enemy". RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #206

You do realize that in a nutshell we are a 2 party system in this country LynneSin Feb 2015 #221

Reasonable point of view. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #199

HRC outside Feb 2015 #200

I'm afraid you are correct. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #297

Oh there is always a reason for both parties to move to the right, that is change you can depend on TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #345

I've heard and know a lot of democratic voters who say they won't vote for Hillary abelenkpe Feb 2015 #204

Any possibility for positive change is better than the hopeless, stinking hell of republicans. Zorra Feb 2015 #207

While we don't know who will run for or win the nomination BainsBane Feb 2015 #210

Does the DU actually represent the average Democrat. olegramps Feb 2015 #236

Yup - the representative level. lovemydog Feb 2015 #269

I have an E-book version of it and was planning to read it davidpdx Feb 2015 #356

Thanks for nothing, since that's what you'll be doing. WhiteTara Feb 2015 #213

So you are saying IF Hillary gets the nomination you'd be ok with one of those Dimwit GOP as Prez? LynneSin Feb 2015 #214

Gore lost Florida by 500 votes (arguably) lobodons Feb 2015 #217

That should never be forgotton there needs to be campaign ads reflecting that fact. gordianot Feb 2015 #229

LOL - you didn't see Fahrenheit 911. closeupready Feb 2015 #231

Frame this... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #218

So civil rights aren't your thing. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #226

I expect to vote against Hillary in the primary and against the Republican in the general. Jim Lane Feb 2015 #245

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #246

The koch bros and the walton heirs salute you OP workinclasszero Feb 2015 #260

Your selfishness will hurt others. great white snark Feb 2015 #261

I felt the same way when I voted for Nader hollowdweller Feb 2015 #263

It would be irresponsible of me not to keep this and the USSC conversation in my mind as I choose. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #271

I'll vote for her against the R opposition, but I really wish we had a better candidate. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #264

You don't vote we loose. glinda Feb 2015 #274

But if we do vote for her, and we win, we still lose. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #275

The worst dem better than the best GOP, get it yet?? Clueless! nt Logical Feb 2015 #302

Yes. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #309

I also will not vote for hillary and will campaign for her to lose the primary.... Logical Feb 2015 #314

I misunderstood. I apologize. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #315

No problem. Wish we could hang out election day! :-) Logical Feb 2015 #316

Stay off in that corner of negativity treestar Feb 2015 #367

Kissenger/Summers 2016 JEB Feb 2015 #277

LMFAO L0oniX Feb 2015 #332

I think the big money who finance the candidates betterdemsonly Feb 2015 #279

supreme court. it will be an easy vote. nt seabeyond Feb 2015 #280

The SCOTUS alone is too much reason to rule out ANY candidate with a D behind the name. Amimnoch Feb 2015 #282

Those poor Republicans would do better voting for Democrats. JoePhilly Feb 2015 #283

Your vote is your voice. Use it as your conscience dictates. Autumn Feb 2015 #285

Just wondering.... Stellar Feb 2015 #289

Kicked and recommended! This is it, "a very short clock in terms of remediation." Enthusiast Feb 2015 #293

Well, i hate her and hope she loses in primarys, but will vote for her! nt Logical Feb 2015 #301

Sounds like puma to me. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #320

ok, don't, are you trying to sway others? Ha!! Pisces Feb 2015 #322

I was just explaining my own feelings and perspectives. I felt they are probably common enough RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #323

only here at DU, not with most progressives or Democrats who will vote for whoever the Democratic still_one Feb 2015 #326

They'll grab the democratic life preserver in in '16 when push comes to shove. I'm not worried about Pisces Feb 2015 #342

You sound like the Mob, ferfuxsake. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #346

This is the slogan to those who feel like you. Others will be motivated for Clinton. Good luck to Pisces Feb 2015 #355

Everyone has an agenda. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #357

Not voting is exactly what republicans want liberal N proud Feb 2015 #333

this bullshit meme again? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #335

from now on I will only vote for perfect politicians guillaumeb Feb 2015 #337

I did not mean for this thread to re-surface. I responded to a post and didn't realize. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #340

Some people are so relentless negative treestar Feb 2015 #368

"Some people like cupcakes better; I for one care less for them" RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #371

I don't have an issue with your choice, but my bet is you change your mind and vote for her. Township75 Feb 2015 #339

And they will always blame the "left" Ramses Feb 2015 #341

FDR would have been out too treestar Feb 2015 #366

FDR campaigned on transference of (some) power to (some) people. RadiationTherapy Feb 2015 #369