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randys1

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126. Liberals that I know dont say that, there are historically some decent things done by

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 05:29 PM

Feb 2015

some cons and Ike is the best example of that.

But other than McCain's attempt to do something about campaign financing and Nixon signing in EPA it is hard to find any reason to applaud any republican since Ike.

There are I assume a few other examples, but not many.

But I cant think of a single nice thing to say about a single republican or con or teaparty person in the past 30 years.

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Who was the last president who wasn't a "corporatist" ? [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 OP

James Earl Carter? Teddy Roosevelt? Scuba Feb 2015 #1

jimmy dembotoz Feb 2015 #4

He was the most conservative Democrat running that year BainsBane Feb 2015 #40

No but close. George Wallace was but I would argue on Economics he was to Carter's left. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #61

The OP said corprotist, conservative has nothing to do with anyone Reter Feb 2015 #88

President Carter was. Sure he was conservative but he wasn't bought and paid for. craigmatic Feb 2015 #148

Jimmy Carter was the most conservative Democratic president since Grover Cleveland DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #6

Once again, conservative has nothing to do with anything Reter Feb 2015 #89

I wouldn't disagree with that ./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #97

He also introduced the concept of conservation of resources. He established the Dept. of Energy. MADem Feb 2015 #141

Kennedy ran at the urging of Senate liberals DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #144

I would vote for Ted Roosevelt. He loathed Big Business and their unethical treatment of BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #35

If we go back the TR, then I think you've got to include FDR HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #95

Liberals that I know dont say that, there are historically some decent things done by randys1 Feb 2015 #126

The last one assassinated. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #2

JFK stood up to Wall Street Octafish Feb 2015 #13

Yes sir. nt raouldukelives Feb 2015 #30

He slashed taxes for the rich BainsBane Feb 2015 #41

Corporatist is kind of a bogeyman. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #46

Precisely. BainsBane Feb 2015 #54

You ignore the point, which is: Was he a tool of corporations? And the evidence is negative. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #53

"Tool " is a loaded word. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #57

So you would be cool with a dramatic tax cut for the rich? BainsBane Feb 2015 #65

He closed tax loopholes on the rich. The end result was actually a tax increase for the rich fasttense Feb 2015 #68

It is not my term BainsBane Feb 2015 #71

This chart shows a decline in taxation for the wealthy in 1960 BainsBane Feb 2015 #74

Because the word "corporatist" is so loaded. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #101

John Kennedy was one of my heroes but turning him into a cardboard saint diminishes him. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #43

Being advised by, or even the son of, corporatists doesn't MAKE one a corporatist. And your WinkyDink Feb 2015 #51

He argued in favor of cutting the highest marginal tax rates and cutting the capital gains rate. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #55

And U.S. Steel. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #49

Don't forget Reagan in 1981 Reter Feb 2015 #94

Who shut him up? randys1 Feb 2015 #127

As with so many things, it's a continuum. You find a piece of the continuum that is acceptable, merrily Feb 2015 #3

Probably President Carter, but MineralMan Feb 2015 #5

Noticed a thread about 4 people killing their own food...there is a comparison there. We do like libdem4life Feb 2015 #7

You never hear people wanting to get corporations out of the hospital system? I sure hear it. merrily Feb 2015 #12

We can agree to disagree...Mom and Pops went out with the rural community from the past. Why did libdem4life Feb 2015 #23

Did you read my post? merrily Feb 2015 #25

I did, sorry if I read it wrong. But Mineral Man says it much better than I do. libdem4life Feb 2015 #34

I thought he set up a false dichotomy but, as you said, we can agree to disagree. merrily Feb 2015 #45

Discussion is the purpose here, up to the Primary. libdem4life Feb 2015 #47

Sure. Let's stick with that. merrily Feb 2015 #48

Imagine the risk Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #112

THe only for profit hospitals that should be allowed are those for the rich who want to pay randys1 Feb 2015 #128

No need for separate hospitals. merrily Feb 2015 #133

Pretty much everything we do every day has a connection to MineralMan Feb 2015 #14

zero capitalism vs. the status quo = false dichotomy. merrily Feb 2015 #16

Well, of course. That's not my point. MineralMan Feb 2015 #19

Jeebus. So many worn out Third Way memes strung together in one post. merrily Feb 2015 #50

This labeling of Liberal Democrats who took civics in HS as "Third Way" is pretty tiresome emulatorloo Feb 2015 #56

I didn't label MineralMan. I labeled the worn out Third Way memes in his post, which are merrily Feb 2015 #64

So educate me. Which "Third Way Memes" did MM use in his post? emulatorloo Feb 2015 #70

Seriously? Spend a lot of time pulling that apart phrase by phrase? For what purpose? merrily Feb 2015 #73

The purpose is I don't see "Third Way Memes" I see statements that most Liberal Democrats agree on emulatorloo Feb 2015 #86

No, just means I knew where you were going to end up, no matter what I said. merrily Feb 2015 #92

I'm a left liberal Dem so I have no use for Third Way. So it is ridiculous to say I am 'ad hom' emulatorloo Feb 2015 #99

And I'm not crazy about the number of DUers who smear the left with just about everything but the merrily Feb 2015 #100

So basically everybody sucks on DU! Hope you feel perky too! emulatorloo Feb 2015 #102

Sorry you feel that way and I am. merrily Feb 2015 #104

Then refute them. MineralMan Feb 2015 #113

Oh, goody. From memes to orders. merrily Feb 2015 #116

I already posted my ideas. You responded with a one-liner. MineralMan Feb 2015 #124

Yes, politics is about incremental change. Maedhros Feb 2015 #63

Excellent point on one way. Incremental: merrily Feb 2015 #66

In the last six years Maedhros Feb 2015 #76

Just two questions: merrily Feb 2015 #80

Did you not take HS civics? Three Branches of Govt, Checks and Balances. emulatorloo Feb 2015 #87

I acknowledged the nature of the system. Maedhros Feb 2015 #117

I think the real deflection there Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #27

What nations are "socialist" ? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #42

And/or: merrily Feb 2015 #52

It is estimated that less than a quarter million Americans live off the grid elias49 Feb 2015 #18

I'm impressed with Mineral Man DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #21

I'd guess that number is much lower than that, frankly. MineralMan Feb 2015 #26

There was a episode of "The Sopranos" called Pine Barrens DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #31

Unless you watched re-runs, I am impressed with your memory. merrily Feb 2015 #72

It was voted the second most popular episode. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #81

Yes, but you remembered--and the name of the episode, too. merrily Feb 2015 #84

I only remember the name of that episode because I researched it DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #90

Ah, I totally forgot about that Russian bit. I even forgot that hair dye job.See why I'm impressed? merrily Feb 2015 #98

I watch DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #103

If genders are going to blur, wouldn't it be nice if they blurred in the direction of fitness and merrily Feb 2015 #108

i'm not ashamed to say my gf would last longer in the wild than me./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #111

I live in the heart of Boston. Getting lost in the wild is not my biggest worry today. merrily Feb 2015 #114

You must have been a Boy Scout! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #106

Nope, just a person interested in many things. MineralMan Feb 2015 #121

That reminds me of a particularly stressfull time in my life ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #140

Did someone say that all corporations should be eliminated? As merrily says, you are setting up a sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #119

I would like to think every president with a D after his name and even a few... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #122

There is almost nobody alive any longer who was an adult during FDR's MineralMan Feb 2015 #123

We'll be damned lucky if we don't spend the next 8 years with a GOP President and Congress Rex Feb 2015 #130

How would you eliminate all corporations without a violent revolution? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #139

Yes and the ones that keep apologizing for Big Biz seem to love neoliberalism. Rex Feb 2015 #131

Nothing wrong with corporations as long as we regulate them with the understanding that randys1 Feb 2015 #129

The superstructure is capitalism and that informs every part of our lives. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #8

Absolutely. Economics has a strong influence on every aspect of life. MineralMan Feb 2015 #10

It's been literally decades since I got in the weeds of political theory... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #15

You are absolutely correct. While some politicians work to control MineralMan Feb 2015 #17

I think it's obvious ... GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #44

He also deregulated the airlines bluestateguy Feb 2015 #137

The non-governing elite control the governing elite so it really doesn't matter. Rex Feb 2015 #9

Definition of corporatism treestar Feb 2015 #11

That's Quite Odd ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #36

Is this an appeal to tradition? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #20

Ummm, yeah.... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #22

It's certainly more likely than not as long as we make excuses to keep electing them. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #33

The whole political system mitigates against fundamental change. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #37

I guess we are supposed to be comfortably numb. HappyMe Feb 2015 #24

You are conflating an empirical observation with a normative one. I was making the former one. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #28

You're putting words in OP mouth s/he never said or implied. Which is very Fox News of you emulatorloo Feb 2015 #58

.... HappyMe Feb 2015 #60

Clearly you despise people with ocular disorders and want them dead emulatorloo Feb 2015 #67

Oh my! HappyMe Feb 2015 #69

LOL I knew you'd get a kick out of it. I know you have a good sense of humor. emulatorloo Feb 2015 #91

Reject mindless submission to the anointing and get accused of being like Fox News. merrily Feb 2015 #78

Yeah, well, wow...I never said the concentration of wealth is a good thing ... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #115

The next question will be who will the next one be in the future, with Citizens United I don't see Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #29

Carter comes to mind. Raygun started the voodoo supply side nonsense. on point Feb 2015 #32

Carter kydo Feb 2015 #38

What was his great domestic initiative beside airline and trucking deregulation?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #39

His energy policies. Not to mention that he actually had a pretty good record of getting what he craigmatic Feb 2015 #150

Respectfully your avatar is a little ironic... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #151

I know it's ironic but I do like both. I'm not far from Plains so I like Carter. I'm liberal so I craigmatic Feb 2015 #152

Travelled much of GA but I don't think I have ever been near Plains. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #153

It's like 70 miles from my house last time I went there was last spring. The museum is really craigmatic Feb 2015 #154

His support for environmental issues put him at odds with business HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #109

Jefferson Lincoln Rossevelt Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #59

Excellent question BainsBane Feb 2015 #62

Jimmy Carter, I think. Blue_In_AK Feb 2015 #75

Our current president serves everyone, thus by definition he is not a corporatist. tridim Feb 2015 #77

Very good question diabeticman Feb 2015 #79

Washington? KamaAina Feb 2015 #82

Even if your premise was not bullshit, which it is... 99Forever Feb 2015 #83

I will ignore your overheated rhetoric and ad hominem attack DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #85

Precisely how does one go about ignoring something they've already acknowledged? 99Forever Feb 2015 #93

Let's do this sequentially DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #96

Correct on all counts. Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #107

I'm getting older and unfortunately fat and lazy. Sometimes I can be clearer. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #110

Keep right on peddling your snake oil... 99Forever Feb 2015 #120

So big business doesn't rule America and I have as much power as a billionaire ? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #125

Some people are fine living in a plutocracy, you can read their replies here stating such. Rex Feb 2015 #132

I don't believe folks are fine with the concentration of wealth. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #136

Okay then it seems folks here are fine with the plutocracy and don't care about change. Rex Feb 2015 #143

Changing the nature of capitalism,imho, seems a bit Quixotic. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #146

Maybe Carter, but he started the deregulation ball rolling hifiguy Feb 2015 #105

I feel like I'm being pulled back into a Poli Sci course DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #118

There is no countervailing force to big business. Rex Feb 2015 #134

Unions were supposed to be a countervailing force but they are contracting. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #135

Very true, both unions and a free press were supposed to be checks on power. Rex Feb 2015 #142

Serious reply? Probably JFK... First Speaker Feb 2015 #138

I guess it would be the ones that had no big corporate sponsor to get them into office. Rex Feb 2015 #145

JFK Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2015 #147

Eisenhower, JFK..... sendero Feb 2015 #149