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11. Definition of corporatism

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Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:39 AM

Feb 2015

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

Reading that is amusing. Penguins are corporatists!

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Who was the last president who wasn't a "corporatist" ? [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 OP

James Earl Carter? Teddy Roosevelt? Scuba Feb 2015 #1

jimmy dembotoz Feb 2015 #4

He was the most conservative Democrat running that year BainsBane Feb 2015 #40

No but close. George Wallace was but I would argue on Economics he was to Carter's left. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #61

The OP said corprotist, conservative has nothing to do with anyone Reter Feb 2015 #88

President Carter was. Sure he was conservative but he wasn't bought and paid for. craigmatic Feb 2015 #148

Jimmy Carter was the most conservative Democratic president since Grover Cleveland DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #6

Once again, conservative has nothing to do with anything Reter Feb 2015 #89

I wouldn't disagree with that ./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #97

He also introduced the concept of conservation of resources. He established the Dept. of Energy. MADem Feb 2015 #141

Kennedy ran at the urging of Senate liberals DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #144

I would vote for Ted Roosevelt. He loathed Big Business and their unethical treatment of BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #35

If we go back the TR, then I think you've got to include FDR HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #95

Liberals that I know dont say that, there are historically some decent things done by randys1 Feb 2015 #126

The last one assassinated. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #2

JFK stood up to Wall Street Octafish Feb 2015 #13

Yes sir. nt raouldukelives Feb 2015 #30

He slashed taxes for the rich BainsBane Feb 2015 #41

Corporatist is kind of a bogeyman. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #46

Precisely. BainsBane Feb 2015 #54

You ignore the point, which is: Was he a tool of corporations? And the evidence is negative. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #53

"Tool " is a loaded word. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #57

So you would be cool with a dramatic tax cut for the rich? BainsBane Feb 2015 #65

He closed tax loopholes on the rich. The end result was actually a tax increase for the rich fasttense Feb 2015 #68

It is not my term BainsBane Feb 2015 #71

This chart shows a decline in taxation for the wealthy in 1960 BainsBane Feb 2015 #74

Because the word "corporatist" is so loaded. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #101

John Kennedy was one of my heroes but turning him into a cardboard saint diminishes him. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #43

Being advised by, or even the son of, corporatists doesn't MAKE one a corporatist. And your WinkyDink Feb 2015 #51

He argued in favor of cutting the highest marginal tax rates and cutting the capital gains rate. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #55

And U.S. Steel. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #49

Don't forget Reagan in 1981 Reter Feb 2015 #94

Who shut him up? randys1 Feb 2015 #127

As with so many things, it's a continuum. You find a piece of the continuum that is acceptable, merrily Feb 2015 #3

Probably President Carter, but MineralMan Feb 2015 #5

Noticed a thread about 4 people killing their own food...there is a comparison there. We do like libdem4life Feb 2015 #7

You never hear people wanting to get corporations out of the hospital system? I sure hear it. merrily Feb 2015 #12

We can agree to disagree...Mom and Pops went out with the rural community from the past. Why did libdem4life Feb 2015 #23

Did you read my post? merrily Feb 2015 #25

I did, sorry if I read it wrong. But Mineral Man says it much better than I do. libdem4life Feb 2015 #34

I thought he set up a false dichotomy but, as you said, we can agree to disagree. merrily Feb 2015 #45

Discussion is the purpose here, up to the Primary. libdem4life Feb 2015 #47

Sure. Let's stick with that. merrily Feb 2015 #48

Imagine the risk Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #112

THe only for profit hospitals that should be allowed are those for the rich who want to pay randys1 Feb 2015 #128

No need for separate hospitals. merrily Feb 2015 #133

Pretty much everything we do every day has a connection to MineralMan Feb 2015 #14

zero capitalism vs. the status quo = false dichotomy. merrily Feb 2015 #16

Well, of course. That's not my point. MineralMan Feb 2015 #19

Jeebus. So many worn out Third Way memes strung together in one post. merrily Feb 2015 #50

This labeling of Liberal Democrats who took civics in HS as "Third Way" is pretty tiresome emulatorloo Feb 2015 #56

I didn't label MineralMan. I labeled the worn out Third Way memes in his post, which are merrily Feb 2015 #64

So educate me. Which "Third Way Memes" did MM use in his post? emulatorloo Feb 2015 #70

Seriously? Spend a lot of time pulling that apart phrase by phrase? For what purpose? merrily Feb 2015 #73

The purpose is I don't see "Third Way Memes" I see statements that most Liberal Democrats agree on emulatorloo Feb 2015 #86

No, just means I knew where you were going to end up, no matter what I said. merrily Feb 2015 #92

I'm a left liberal Dem so I have no use for Third Way. So it is ridiculous to say I am 'ad hom' emulatorloo Feb 2015 #99

And I'm not crazy about the number of DUers who smear the left with just about everything but the merrily Feb 2015 #100

So basically everybody sucks on DU! Hope you feel perky too! emulatorloo Feb 2015 #102

Sorry you feel that way and I am. merrily Feb 2015 #104

Then refute them. MineralMan Feb 2015 #113

Oh, goody. From memes to orders. merrily Feb 2015 #116

I already posted my ideas. You responded with a one-liner. MineralMan Feb 2015 #124

Yes, politics is about incremental change. Maedhros Feb 2015 #63

Excellent point on one way. Incremental: merrily Feb 2015 #66

In the last six years Maedhros Feb 2015 #76

Just two questions: merrily Feb 2015 #80

Did you not take HS civics? Three Branches of Govt, Checks and Balances. emulatorloo Feb 2015 #87

I acknowledged the nature of the system. Maedhros Feb 2015 #117

I think the real deflection there Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #27

What nations are "socialist" ? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #42

And/or: merrily Feb 2015 #52

It is estimated that less than a quarter million Americans live off the grid elias49 Feb 2015 #18

I'm impressed with Mineral Man DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #21

I'd guess that number is much lower than that, frankly. MineralMan Feb 2015 #26

There was a episode of "The Sopranos" called Pine Barrens DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #31

Unless you watched re-runs, I am impressed with your memory. merrily Feb 2015 #72

It was voted the second most popular episode. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #81

Yes, but you remembered--and the name of the episode, too. merrily Feb 2015 #84

I only remember the name of that episode because I researched it DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #90

Ah, I totally forgot about that Russian bit. I even forgot that hair dye job.See why I'm impressed? merrily Feb 2015 #98

I watch DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #103

If genders are going to blur, wouldn't it be nice if they blurred in the direction of fitness and merrily Feb 2015 #108

i'm not ashamed to say my gf would last longer in the wild than me./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #111

I live in the heart of Boston. Getting lost in the wild is not my biggest worry today. merrily Feb 2015 #114

You must have been a Boy Scout! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #106

Nope, just a person interested in many things. MineralMan Feb 2015 #121

That reminds me of a particularly stressfull time in my life ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #140

Did someone say that all corporations should be eliminated? As merrily says, you are setting up a sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #119

I would like to think every president with a D after his name and even a few... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #122

There is almost nobody alive any longer who was an adult during FDR's MineralMan Feb 2015 #123

We'll be damned lucky if we don't spend the next 8 years with a GOP President and Congress Rex Feb 2015 #130

How would you eliminate all corporations without a violent revolution? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #139

Yes and the ones that keep apologizing for Big Biz seem to love neoliberalism. Rex Feb 2015 #131

Nothing wrong with corporations as long as we regulate them with the understanding that randys1 Feb 2015 #129

The superstructure is capitalism and that informs every part of our lives. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #8

Absolutely. Economics has a strong influence on every aspect of life. MineralMan Feb 2015 #10

It's been literally decades since I got in the weeds of political theory... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #15

You are absolutely correct. While some politicians work to control MineralMan Feb 2015 #17

I think it's obvious ... GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #44

He also deregulated the airlines bluestateguy Feb 2015 #137

The non-governing elite control the governing elite so it really doesn't matter. Rex Feb 2015 #9

Definition of corporatism treestar Feb 2015 #11

That's Quite Odd ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #36

Is this an appeal to tradition? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #20

Ummm, yeah.... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #22

It's certainly more likely than not as long as we make excuses to keep electing them. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #33

The whole political system mitigates against fundamental change. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #37

I guess we are supposed to be comfortably numb. HappyMe Feb 2015 #24

You are conflating an empirical observation with a normative one. I was making the former one. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #28

You're putting words in OP mouth s/he never said or implied. Which is very Fox News of you emulatorloo Feb 2015 #58

.... HappyMe Feb 2015 #60

Clearly you despise people with ocular disorders and want them dead emulatorloo Feb 2015 #67

Oh my! HappyMe Feb 2015 #69

LOL I knew you'd get a kick out of it. I know you have a good sense of humor. emulatorloo Feb 2015 #91

Reject mindless submission to the anointing and get accused of being like Fox News. merrily Feb 2015 #78

Yeah, well, wow...I never said the concentration of wealth is a good thing ... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #115

The next question will be who will the next one be in the future, with Citizens United I don't see Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #29

Carter comes to mind. Raygun started the voodoo supply side nonsense. on point Feb 2015 #32

Carter kydo Feb 2015 #38

What was his great domestic initiative beside airline and trucking deregulation?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #39

His energy policies. Not to mention that he actually had a pretty good record of getting what he craigmatic Feb 2015 #150

Respectfully your avatar is a little ironic... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #151

I know it's ironic but I do like both. I'm not far from Plains so I like Carter. I'm liberal so I craigmatic Feb 2015 #152

Travelled much of GA but I don't think I have ever been near Plains. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #153

It's like 70 miles from my house last time I went there was last spring. The museum is really craigmatic Feb 2015 #154

His support for environmental issues put him at odds with business HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #109

Jefferson Lincoln Rossevelt Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #59

Excellent question BainsBane Feb 2015 #62

Jimmy Carter, I think. Blue_In_AK Feb 2015 #75

Our current president serves everyone, thus by definition he is not a corporatist. tridim Feb 2015 #77

Very good question diabeticman Feb 2015 #79

Washington? KamaAina Feb 2015 #82

Even if your premise was not bullshit, which it is... 99Forever Feb 2015 #83

I will ignore your overheated rhetoric and ad hominem attack DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #85

Precisely how does one go about ignoring something they've already acknowledged? 99Forever Feb 2015 #93

Let's do this sequentially DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #96

Correct on all counts. Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #107

I'm getting older and unfortunately fat and lazy. Sometimes I can be clearer. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #110

Keep right on peddling your snake oil... 99Forever Feb 2015 #120

So big business doesn't rule America and I have as much power as a billionaire ? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #125

Some people are fine living in a plutocracy, you can read their replies here stating such. Rex Feb 2015 #132

I don't believe folks are fine with the concentration of wealth. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #136

Okay then it seems folks here are fine with the plutocracy and don't care about change. Rex Feb 2015 #143

Changing the nature of capitalism,imho, seems a bit Quixotic. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #146

Maybe Carter, but he started the deregulation ball rolling hifiguy Feb 2015 #105

I feel like I'm being pulled back into a Poli Sci course DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #118

There is no countervailing force to big business. Rex Feb 2015 #134

Unions were supposed to be a countervailing force but they are contracting. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #135

Very true, both unions and a free press were supposed to be checks on power. Rex Feb 2015 #142

Serious reply? Probably JFK... First Speaker Feb 2015 #138

I guess it would be the ones that had no big corporate sponsor to get them into office. Rex Feb 2015 #145

JFK Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2015 #147

Eisenhower, JFK..... sendero Feb 2015 #149