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shraby

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23. They tortured people from Iraq. A war was declared on Iraq. Therefore the

Sat Dec 27, 2014, 07:07 PM

Dec 2014

Geneva Conventions DO apply.
They tortured people from Afghanistan. There are torture statutes that need to be enforced. The BIG problem is no one is enforcing them. At least 1 person and probably more died from the torture. There is NO statute of limitations on murder and that's what that was.

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Obama doesn't give a shit about torture. [View all] Vattel Dec 2014 OP

The Geneva Conventions explicitly makes torture verboten. shraby Dec 2014 #1

Thanks for responding to the flamebait. elleng Dec 2014 #3

Why is this flamebait? This is a discussion we need to have. We need to strengthen rhett o rick Dec 2014 #40

I agree it's a discussion we need to have, but WITHOUT elleng Dec 2014 #41

Why the President doesn't do anything is part of the discussion. A big part. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #42

That was a bit flamebaitish, wasn't it? Still, the need for amendments to Vattel Dec 2014 #48

what's wrong "Obama doesn't give a shit"? ellenrr Dec 2014 #56

Our use of vulgar language contributes to deterioration of our society, imo. elleng Dec 2014 #65

But then it wouldn't be any fun LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #66

'Thanks' for that recognition, Lord. elleng Dec 2014 #68

I agree Andy823 Dec 2014 #67

'Thanks' I guess, Andy. elleng Dec 2014 #69

How likely it is to make a difference is hard to say, but I think it could make a difference. Vattel Dec 2014 #47

What laws? The ones I mentioned are the main ones. Vattel Dec 2014 #5

For uniformed soldiers captured in battle helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #11

They tortured people from Iraq. A war was declared on Iraq. Therefore the shraby Dec 2014 #23

How was war declared? nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #39

Congress gave the bush the authorization to use force in Iraq shraby Dec 2014 #44

Did they declare a war? I don't think so. This is not a war, this is bullshit. rhett o rick Dec 2014 #49

Actually, John Yoo cites PNAC war-promoter Scooter Libby to "declare war." OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #51

This is utter bullshit. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #53

I wouldn't put it that way but rather AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #2

One of the reasons he can get away with not prosecuting Vattel Dec 2014 #7

The US is signatory to at least two international treaties AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #10

Yes, but you can't prosecute it without criminal statutes. Vattel Dec 2014 #13

Yes you can! People died from the torture. Last I looked murder is a capital crime. shraby Dec 2014 #25

The problem is that statutes against murder generally don't apply to actions in war. Vattel Dec 2014 #32

How about on moral grounds? AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #28

I am not against prosecuting the torture that occurred under Bush, Vattel Dec 2014 #38

For soldiers captured in battle helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #14

The Torture Act makes torture of captured soldiers criminal Vattel Dec 2014 #18

They are not soldiers that's why we still have that CIA run prison in Somalia helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #21

Under the Torture Act, the victim doesn't have to be a soldier. Vattel Dec 2014 #29

I understand what you are saying , what I'm saying is we still have CIA run prisons helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #33

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. Vattel Dec 2014 #35

Exactly , I don't think there should be some back room meeting's helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #37

There are processes in place already. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #4

No there are no good federal statutes that criminalize torture. Vattel Dec 2014 #6

These are war crimes, they are handled differently, not necessary by the US. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #8

If we rely on international law only Vattel Dec 2014 #9

And if the next president pardoned the guilty it would be over, it needs to be handled on Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #19

You are wrong in a very important way. Vattel Dec 2014 #27

What good would it do if the next president pardons the ones you think should be tried for torture? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #34

You are letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Vattel Dec 2014 #36

I am curious how the other laws work loyalsister Dec 2014 #45

Sure there are Aerows Dec 2014 #17

No, the fact that Yoo could argue Vattel Dec 2014 #24

Prosecute the criminals who are guilty of violating the law. Aerows Dec 2014 #12

Yes, enforce the laws, but also make sure the laws are well-written. Vattel Dec 2014 #15

Start with enforcing the law, period Aerows Dec 2014 #16

Fine, enforce current laws, but also amend the ones that need amending. Vattel Dec 2014 #31

shit. spanone Dec 2014 #20

I think he cares, he stopped the programs when he entered office or claims he did. Rex Dec 2014 #22

Well, there is caring and there is caring. Vattel Dec 2014 #26

Oh yes totally, hell he has the DoJ at his command. Rex Dec 2014 #30

This is deflectionary bullshit. OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #43

The law is not fine. Everyone knows it is vague. Vattel Dec 2014 #46

FFS, you'd rather torturers walk free than have Obama face any criticism. OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #50

Okay, this has no connection to reality. Vattel Dec 2014 #52

Finally! You got something correct! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #54

Here's your connection to reality: OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #58

I don't doubt that his mistreatment has resulted in prolonged mental harm. Vattel Dec 2014 #60

I find this discussion that the law is poorly-written and can't be enforced OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #61

You misrepresent what I say. I am not against enforcement. Vattel Dec 2014 #62

"But in addition to prosecuting past war crimes..." OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #63

OMG, are you serious? Vattel Dec 2014 #71

Agree if he did care he would have prosecuted Bush and Cheney ChosenUnWisely Dec 2014 #55

++ ellenrr Dec 2014 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Dec 2014 #59

This subject is so 3 weeks ago LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #64

Our guy has a right to be afraid of the CIA libodem Dec 2014 #70