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True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
19. There's a profound forcing function taking place with electronic power systems.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 08:47 PM
Nov 2014

It started with cellphones, but it's now spreading into everything - we'll have more and more electrical power, stored in smaller and smaller places, and used increasingly efficiently to do more and more things.

Ever since the 19th century, heat engines have competed with electricity. Electricity will win, because it's microscopically manageable while a heat engine is very much a macroscopic system.

All seashores have heavy bird populations. I'm not real alarmist about bird danger at inland wind NBachers Nov 2014 #1
Far more animals are killed by fossil fuel extraction than will ever be killed by windmills. Just grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #3
Note that Europe has 421 million fewer birds than 30 years ago, grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #9
"Not a Fan" Chico Man Nov 2014 #2
You would have to agree its a better solution than coal, and "Mt Top Removal"! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #4
Yes Chico Man Nov 2014 #14
Having lived LWolf Nov 2014 #5
And here's what they do to get coal (talk about unsightly): grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #6
Yep. LWolf Nov 2014 #30
Can we at least preserve some natural untouched spots? Chico Man Nov 2014 #12
Yes. LWolf Nov 2014 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Chico Man Nov 2014 #13
California has some beautiful mountain ridges, too KamaAina Nov 2014 #15
No trees to cut down, like in VT and NH. Chico Man Nov 2014 #16
I am a new englander through and through Marrah_G Nov 2014 #20
On a previously untouched ridge? Chico Man Nov 2014 #22
I think that when I see them, I see freedom from fossil fuels Marrah_G Nov 2014 #23
Not really. Nobody ever factors in the cost of agile backup power or energy storage. hunter Nov 2014 #7
Actually, hydro backup has been proven to be a viable alternative to your suggestions: grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #8
Most hydro sucks. hunter Nov 2014 #10
It's amazing to me that we spent $500 each last year subsidizing fossil fuels an only $7 grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #11
Yeah, that would definitely be a better way to go. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #27
yep... hunter Nov 2014 #29
I like wind, but I LOVE solar. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #17
Solar panels over parking lots for electric vehicles is a good idea. hunter Nov 2014 #18
There's a profound forcing function taking place with electronic power systems. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #19
I think that's a fantastic option, providing power for vehicles while parked. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #21
Thinner than homeopathic starved-pidgeon soup. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #24
these prices are just made up quadrature Nov 2014 #25
Of course it is! GitRDun Nov 2014 #26
But how many people have to die when they windmine? And what about tornadoes? valerief Nov 2014 #28
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