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hunter

(38,317 posts)
10. Most hydro sucks.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 03:49 PM
Nov 2014

Conventional hydro has hugely adverse environmental impacts and often increases greenhouse gas emissions while reducing carbon sequestration.

I'm glad to see they are using pumped hydro in your example, independent of natural waterways.

I'd generally prefer solar over wind. As the price of solar panels decreases and desalinization technology improves this will become a more economical option. From my perspective solar collectors built over previously developed land are easy maintenance, fail gracefully, and don't eat so many bats or birds as wind turbines do.

Most isolated places with populations of 10,000 simply use a few large diesel generators. Nantucket, Massachusetts, with a similar population, was powered by big diesel engines before undersea power lines connected it to the mainland.

http://www.ackenergy.org/brief-history-of-energy-on-nantucket.html

There are many smaller remote towns all over the world where the thrumming of a big diesel generator is constant. The sound of a large diesel engine and the odor always reminds me of being on fishing boats with my dad when I was a kid. I always notice when our local hospital is testing it's backup generators.

Ideally most power would be generated locally using local energy sources. Communities would have to live with the consequences of their power supply choices. As it is now, a coal mine, a fracking field, uranium mining, nuclear waste disposal, giant hydroelectric projects, refineries can be hundreds or thousands of miles away from the people benefiting from the electricity, people who suffer few of the adverse consequences of the energy source other than global warming or the war taxes they pay to expropriate or defend the remote, environmentally destructive resource.

All seashores have heavy bird populations. I'm not real alarmist about bird danger at inland wind NBachers Nov 2014 #1
Far more animals are killed by fossil fuel extraction than will ever be killed by windmills. Just grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #3
Note that Europe has 421 million fewer birds than 30 years ago, grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #9
"Not a Fan" Chico Man Nov 2014 #2
You would have to agree its a better solution than coal, and "Mt Top Removal"! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #4
Yes Chico Man Nov 2014 #14
Having lived LWolf Nov 2014 #5
And here's what they do to get coal (talk about unsightly): grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #6
Yep. LWolf Nov 2014 #30
Can we at least preserve some natural untouched spots? Chico Man Nov 2014 #12
Yes. LWolf Nov 2014 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Chico Man Nov 2014 #13
California has some beautiful mountain ridges, too KamaAina Nov 2014 #15
No trees to cut down, like in VT and NH. Chico Man Nov 2014 #16
I am a new englander through and through Marrah_G Nov 2014 #20
On a previously untouched ridge? Chico Man Nov 2014 #22
I think that when I see them, I see freedom from fossil fuels Marrah_G Nov 2014 #23
Not really. Nobody ever factors in the cost of agile backup power or energy storage. hunter Nov 2014 #7
Actually, hydro backup has been proven to be a viable alternative to your suggestions: grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #8
Most hydro sucks. hunter Nov 2014 #10
It's amazing to me that we spent $500 each last year subsidizing fossil fuels an only $7 grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #11
Yeah, that would definitely be a better way to go. Major Hogwash Nov 2014 #27
yep... hunter Nov 2014 #29
I like wind, but I LOVE solar. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #17
Solar panels over parking lots for electric vehicles is a good idea. hunter Nov 2014 #18
There's a profound forcing function taking place with electronic power systems. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #19
I think that's a fantastic option, providing power for vehicles while parked. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #21
Thinner than homeopathic starved-pidgeon soup. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #24
these prices are just made up quadrature Nov 2014 #25
Of course it is! GitRDun Nov 2014 #26
But how many people have to die when they windmine? And what about tornadoes? valerief Nov 2014 #28
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