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36. Many want a National Health Service like in the UK. Single-payer is a step in that direction. n/t

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Obamacare not enough, so some in labor want single-payer system [View all] OhioChick Sep 2014 OP

It's the next step. riqster Sep 2014 #1

+1 JoePhilly Sep 2014 #10

Love the sound of that, but when? nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #49

Vermont gets it in 2017. joshcryer Sep 2014 #54

Vermont was working on it anyway, some for 20 years. merrily Sep 2014 #80

And? The ACA enabled it. joshcryer Sep 2014 #89

That you say that does not make it so. merrily Sep 2014 #91

If not the ACA, then how does Vermont get it? joshcryer Sep 2014 #92

Again, because people had been working on it for 20 years. merrily Sep 2014 #95

Working on it, but not achieving it. joshcryer Sep 2014 #98

Credit to Bernie Sanders for helping to make it possible. JDPriestly Sep 2014 #134

Absolutely. riqster Sep 2014 #149

+1 grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #57

It is the next step but won't happen until more progressives are put into congress still_one Sep 2014 #151

Just so. That is why GOTV is job 1 right now. riqster Sep 2014 #155

Obamacare is not access to healthcare, it's access to health insurance. YES FOR SINGLE PAYER TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #2

ACA was a necessary first step. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #11

Reluctantly, I have to agree with you. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #64

They even had to dump the public option. joshcryer Sep 2014 #67

It sucks. I hate it. But I don't condemn Obama for not doing the impossible. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #68

I will always condemn the cowardly filibuster rules. joshcryer Sep 2014 #73

The bill never had a public option, so we can blame fiibuster or anything we want. merrily Sep 2014 #81

Baucus fought for the public option. joshcryer Sep 2014 #87

Well, that's one view of it. An excessively charitable view, but one view. merrily Sep 2014 #97

Fair enough. joshcryer Sep 2014 #99

The real world in DC is almost as charitable as House of Cards. merrily Sep 2014 #103

Lobbyists can't stop progress. joshcryer Sep 2014 #105

Lobbyists can't? That may be the funniest thing you've ever posted. merrily Sep 2014 #107

Laugh it up. joshcryer Sep 2014 #108

At what stage of the process were "they" forced to dump the public option? merrily Sep 2014 #79

When Baucus couldn't get Lieberman's vote for it. joshcryer Sep 2014 #88

I call bs. merrily Sep 2014 #90

Oh yeah, Lieberman was all for the public option. joshcryer Sep 2014 #93

See? BS. You KNOW that I never said Lieberman was for the public option. merrily Sep 2014 #94

Relevant to the Senate votes? joshcryer Sep 2014 #96

Geez I wasn't vague at all and I have no "conspiracy." merrily Sep 2014 #101

What to WH logs have to do with Senate votes? joshcryer Sep 2014 #102

Please stop diverting, Josh. The point in the ACA process merrily Sep 2014 #106

And? They didn't have the votes. joshcryer Sep 2014 #110

A few marginal cases BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #113

Is the insurance industry sustainable? joshcryer Sep 2014 #114

I think it is BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #115

The ACA sets minimum standards. joshcryer Sep 2014 #117

Eh BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #119

I'm speaking of waivers. joshcryer Sep 2014 #129

Chicken or egg quakerboy Sep 2014 #120

If Franken was seated or Kennedy didn't die, we'd have it. joshcryer Sep 2014 #128

Fillibuster quakerboy Sep 2014 #153

Yup, and I think state level POs will JoePhilly Sep 2014 #157

SINGLE PAYER is not access to healthcare, it's access to health insurance. IronLionZion Sep 2014 #135

It is both. the extension of medicaid, and the subsidies based on income are still_one Sep 2014 #152

Many of us want single payer because it will lower the cost even more. jwirr Sep 2014 #3

Hillary and Obama's hhs Secretary have vowed to not let it happen Doctor_J Sep 2014 #4

Good reason.. sendero Sep 2014 #9

Americans have a remarkable propensity for conniving duplicity and shameless profiteering. Adam051188 Sep 2014 #17

Any single payer system.. sendero Sep 2014 #26

no it doesn't. Adam051188 Sep 2014 #158

You haven't .. sendero Sep 2014 #159

uh huh Adam051188 Sep 2014 #160

But it's the law Doctor_J Sep 2014 #20

The ACA...... sendero Sep 2014 #27

And how is that a move toward SP??? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #31

because Obama's a democrat Scootaloo Sep 2014 #51

Yawn... sendero Sep 2014 #126

Uh BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #50

It is a step in... sendero Sep 2014 #127

haha. Nope BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #140

Got a link to their "vows"?? JoePhilly Sep 2014 #13

Here you go Doctor_J Sep 2014 #19

I don't see any "vows" in there from Hillary. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #52

I think this shows she doesn't support single payer. Quackers Sep 2014 #55

That's the blogger's opinion, not a Hillary quote. nt SunSeeker Sep 2014 #59

These are her own words Quackers Sep 2014 #109

Again, not a "vow" against single payer. She's just talking about others' opposition to it. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #143

Right, I'm sure she's 'secretly' all for it NorthCarolina Sep 2014 #146

Oh well. We'll still get it without her support, even if it takes decades. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #65

I hope it doesn't take that long. Quackers Sep 2014 #104

Unlikely BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #112

Which is why the ACA has waivers and Vermont passed single payer? joshcryer Sep 2014 #58

"Let competition decide" BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #62

Unfortunately. joshcryer Sep 2014 #66

Spoiler: BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #69

They can't hurt the single payer states, though. joshcryer Sep 2014 #72

No, that is not guaranteed BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #111

It's all about cost. joshcryer Sep 2014 #116

And the insurance companies will fight it BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #118

The fight is over. joshcryer Sep 2014 #130

Progress is one way? I don't understand BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #142

WHAAAAATTTTT????? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #77

If enough Americans look as though they may rise up, that could change. merrily Sep 2014 #82

So when are you moving out of the country? IronLionZion Sep 2014 #136

Nothing wrong with leaving. BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #141

DURec leftstreet Sep 2014 #5

Read the comments following the article ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #6

Repubs dominate the comment section OhioChick Sep 2014 #7

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #8

south bend shocked me that way just in passing through. Adam051188 Sep 2014 #18

They usually do. It's orchestrated. merrily Sep 2014 #83

The best possible outcome of ACA is that Obamacare becomes the gateway to single payer. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #12

How can a step AWAY from single payer be a "gateway to single payer"? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #21

Because it seems to be changing some people's expectations on health care access and payments Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #44

That is just magical thinking. Marr Sep 2014 #100

people were fed up with big insurance, so the president made us all customers Doctor_J Sep 2014 #133

Yup! RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #145

No, magical thinking is believing that single payer would have happened when the ACA was passed. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #137

And the best way too get a single payer system is Andy823 Sep 2014 #14

Hey, that's the best way to get a LOT of good accomplished for the vast majority of Americans. calimary Sep 2014 #16

I agree Andy823 Sep 2014 #42

Won't work, though, unless OUR SIDE GETS OUT AND VOTES!!!!!!!! calimary Sep 2014 #139

There are a lot of Dems fighting tooth and nail against single-payer too Doctor_J Sep 2014 #22

So tell me Andy823 Sep 2014 #41

Been there, done that, in 2006 and 2008, esp. 2008. merrily Sep 2014 #84

+1 treestar Sep 2014 #156

Agreed. Fearless Sep 2014 #15

K&R.... daleanime Sep 2014 #23

Single Payer is the end goal, no question about it. -eom- HuckleB Sep 2014 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author daredtowork Sep 2014 #25

K&R! I would like to remind you.... Enthusiast Sep 2014 #28

The Middleman Multiplication and Profit Protection Act Doctor_J Sep 2014 #33

You're not clapping BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #37

There is no justification for it. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #38

The money is not going to be removed from the election process unless and until merrily Sep 2014 #85

The American people must make it clear that we are sick of our democracy being co-opted. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #122

If the American people don't find a way to make that clear, the politicians won't guess we are sick merrily Sep 2014 #124

I'm for health care for all, but Medicare has some big issues, coverage gaps, Hoyt Sep 2014 #29

Unlike our clusterfuck? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #32

As much as I wanted single payer, justgamma Sep 2014 #35

I'm saying Medicare is not much better, still have insurance companies involved, no cap on Hoyt Sep 2014 #46

IMHO... DAMANgoldberg Sep 2014 #45

k&r for labor. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #30

Let's fix medicare first. It is very limited and will only cover about 80% of medical costs. YOHABLO Sep 2014 #34

It would be doable if we could get a fair media. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #39

I agree. Folks think Medicare is the panacea. Hoyt Sep 2014 #47

I see Medicare for All as step 2. ACA was step 1. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #63

I hope so, but I think providers will strongly resist. Hoyt Sep 2014 #71

Yes. Do you envision an interim step between ACA and Medicare For All? SunSeeker Sep 2014 #74

I agree about the ACA for sure. It would have been decades before anyone touched healthcare Hoyt Sep 2014 #86

Many want a National Health Service like in the UK. Single-payer is a step in that direction. n/t pampango Sep 2014 #36

Personally... 99Forever Sep 2014 #40

Yes, sure, absolutely, but how is this at all politically possible? DavidDvorkin Sep 2014 #43

Easy answer, hard execution MFrohike Sep 2014 #56

Not according to some here BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #60

It's too emotional MFrohike Sep 2014 #70

State by State. That's how it's gonna happen. Ron Green Sep 2014 #48

We must take profit out of healthcare. We must have single payer. liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #53

Incrementalism is a magic incantation BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #61

Many not in labor do too. n/t kickysnana Sep 2014 #75

Without Single-payer, We Will Never Be the Social/Competitive Business Equal of Europe cer7711 Sep 2014 #76

SOME in labor want single payer? Anyone who does NOT want single payer is misinformed or evil. merrily Sep 2014 #78

Some unions run own insurance plans PATRICK Sep 2014 #121

Good points. Self interest trumps again. merrily Sep 2014 #123

I take it the last question is rhetorical PATRICK Sep 2014 #131

"I take it the last question is rhetorical" merrily Sep 2014 #132

The cynic in me Babel_17 Sep 2014 #125

You really want single payer? DrBulldog Sep 2014 #138

ACA improved quality of insurance, not the cost or quality of care whereisjustice Sep 2014 #144

The last sentence repeats something hifiguy Sep 2014 #147

Health insurance is an 800 billion dollar industry and would suddenly be eliminated. Kablooie Sep 2014 #148

So...we can't have universal healthcare because it cuts into private corporations' profits. Romulox Sep 2014 #150

Not quite what I said. Kablooie Sep 2014 #154