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OhioChick

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Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:32 PM Sep 2014

Obamacare not enough, so some in labor want single-payer system [View all]

September 12, 2014 at 12:29 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio - When many in the labor movement speak about health care reform they are not talking about Obamacare, but a single-payer system.

"It has been a historic goal of the labor movement to establish a Medicare for all, single-payer system in the U.S., just like almost every industrialized country in the world," said Mark Dudzic, national coordinator for the Labor Campaign for Single Payer. "The labor movement, we believe, has to be in the forefront of the fight, if we are going to win that."

Dudzic is one of the speakers in a forum tomorrow (Sept. 13) being sponsored by his Washington, D.C.-based group and the Single Payer Action Network of Ohio, or SPAN, which is lobbying for instituting such a health care system in Ohio. The event is scheduled for 2 to 4 p.m. at the North Shore AFL-CIO Federation of Labor, 3250 Euclid Ave., in Cleveland.

Those supporting single payer emphasize that they are not seeking a publicly funded system run by the government, in which health care workers would be public employees. Instead, they want one more like Medicare, in which users would go to private doctors, using public money to pay the bills. Supporters say one of the reasons such a system would cost less to operate is that administrative costs associated with a private insurance system would be gone.

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It's the next step. riqster Sep 2014 #1
+1 JoePhilly Sep 2014 #10
Love the sound of that, but when? nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #49
Vermont gets it in 2017. joshcryer Sep 2014 #54
Vermont was working on it anyway, some for 20 years. merrily Sep 2014 #80
And? The ACA enabled it. joshcryer Sep 2014 #89
That you say that does not make it so. merrily Sep 2014 #91
If not the ACA, then how does Vermont get it? joshcryer Sep 2014 #92
Again, because people had been working on it for 20 years. merrily Sep 2014 #95
Working on it, but not achieving it. joshcryer Sep 2014 #98
Credit to Bernie Sanders for helping to make it possible. JDPriestly Sep 2014 #134
Absolutely. riqster Sep 2014 #149
+1 grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #57
It is the next step but won't happen until more progressives are put into congress still_one Sep 2014 #151
Just so. That is why GOTV is job 1 right now. riqster Sep 2014 #155
Obamacare is not access to healthcare, it's access to health insurance. YES FOR SINGLE PAYER TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #2
ACA was a necessary first step. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #11
Reluctantly, I have to agree with you. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #64
They even had to dump the public option. joshcryer Sep 2014 #67
It sucks. I hate it. But I don't condemn Obama for not doing the impossible. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #68
I will always condemn the cowardly filibuster rules. joshcryer Sep 2014 #73
The bill never had a public option, so we can blame fiibuster or anything we want. merrily Sep 2014 #81
Baucus fought for the public option. joshcryer Sep 2014 #87
Well, that's one view of it. An excessively charitable view, but one view. merrily Sep 2014 #97
Fair enough. joshcryer Sep 2014 #99
The real world in DC is almost as charitable as House of Cards. merrily Sep 2014 #103
Lobbyists can't stop progress. joshcryer Sep 2014 #105
Lobbyists can't? That may be the funniest thing you've ever posted. merrily Sep 2014 #107
Laugh it up. joshcryer Sep 2014 #108
At what stage of the process were "they" forced to dump the public option? merrily Sep 2014 #79
When Baucus couldn't get Lieberman's vote for it. joshcryer Sep 2014 #88
I call bs. merrily Sep 2014 #90
Oh yeah, Lieberman was all for the public option. joshcryer Sep 2014 #93
See? BS. You KNOW that I never said Lieberman was for the public option. merrily Sep 2014 #94
Relevant to the Senate votes? joshcryer Sep 2014 #96
Geez I wasn't vague at all and I have no "conspiracy." merrily Sep 2014 #101
What to WH logs have to do with Senate votes? joshcryer Sep 2014 #102
Please stop diverting, Josh. The point in the ACA process merrily Sep 2014 #106
And? They didn't have the votes. joshcryer Sep 2014 #110
A few marginal cases BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #113
Is the insurance industry sustainable? joshcryer Sep 2014 #114
I think it is BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #115
The ACA sets minimum standards. joshcryer Sep 2014 #117
Eh BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #119
I'm speaking of waivers. joshcryer Sep 2014 #129
Chicken or egg quakerboy Sep 2014 #120
If Franken was seated or Kennedy didn't die, we'd have it. joshcryer Sep 2014 #128
Fillibuster quakerboy Sep 2014 #153
Yup, and I think state level POs will JoePhilly Sep 2014 #157
SINGLE PAYER is not access to healthcare, it's access to health insurance. IronLionZion Sep 2014 #135
It is both. the extension of medicaid, and the subsidies based on income are still_one Sep 2014 #152
Many of us want single payer because it will lower the cost even more. jwirr Sep 2014 #3
Hillary and Obama's hhs Secretary have vowed to not let it happen Doctor_J Sep 2014 #4
Good reason.. sendero Sep 2014 #9
Americans have a remarkable propensity for conniving duplicity and shameless profiteering. Adam051188 Sep 2014 #17
Any single payer system.. sendero Sep 2014 #26
no it doesn't. Adam051188 Sep 2014 #158
You haven't .. sendero Sep 2014 #159
uh huh Adam051188 Sep 2014 #160
But it's the law Doctor_J Sep 2014 #20
The ACA...... sendero Sep 2014 #27
And how is that a move toward SP??? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #31
because Obama's a democrat Scootaloo Sep 2014 #51
Yawn... sendero Sep 2014 #126
Uh BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #50
It is a step in... sendero Sep 2014 #127
haha. Nope BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #140
Got a link to their "vows"?? JoePhilly Sep 2014 #13
Here you go Doctor_J Sep 2014 #19
I don't see any "vows" in there from Hillary. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #52
I think this shows she doesn't support single payer. Quackers Sep 2014 #55
That's the blogger's opinion, not a Hillary quote. nt SunSeeker Sep 2014 #59
These are her own words Quackers Sep 2014 #109
Again, not a "vow" against single payer. She's just talking about others' opposition to it. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #143
Right, I'm sure she's 'secretly' all for it NorthCarolina Sep 2014 #146
Oh well. We'll still get it without her support, even if it takes decades. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #65
I hope it doesn't take that long. Quackers Sep 2014 #104
Unlikely BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #112
Which is why the ACA has waivers and Vermont passed single payer? joshcryer Sep 2014 #58
"Let competition decide" BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #62
Unfortunately. joshcryer Sep 2014 #66
Spoiler: BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #69
They can't hurt the single payer states, though. joshcryer Sep 2014 #72
No, that is not guaranteed BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #111
It's all about cost. joshcryer Sep 2014 #116
And the insurance companies will fight it BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #118
The fight is over. joshcryer Sep 2014 #130
Progress is one way? I don't understand BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #142
WHAAAAATTTTT????? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #77
If enough Americans look as though they may rise up, that could change. merrily Sep 2014 #82
So when are you moving out of the country? IronLionZion Sep 2014 #136
Nothing wrong with leaving. BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #141
DURec leftstreet Sep 2014 #5
Read the comments following the article ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #6
Repubs dominate the comment section OhioChick Sep 2014 #7
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #8
south bend shocked me that way just in passing through. Adam051188 Sep 2014 #18
They usually do. It's orchestrated. merrily Sep 2014 #83
The best possible outcome of ACA is that Obamacare becomes the gateway to single payer. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #12
How can a step AWAY from single payer be a "gateway to single payer"? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #21
Because it seems to be changing some people's expectations on health care access and payments Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #44
That is just magical thinking. Marr Sep 2014 #100
people were fed up with big insurance, so the president made us all customers Doctor_J Sep 2014 #133
Yup! RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #145
No, magical thinking is believing that single payer would have happened when the ACA was passed. Gormy Cuss Sep 2014 #137
And the best way too get a single payer system is Andy823 Sep 2014 #14
Hey, that's the best way to get a LOT of good accomplished for the vast majority of Americans. calimary Sep 2014 #16
I agree Andy823 Sep 2014 #42
Won't work, though, unless OUR SIDE GETS OUT AND VOTES!!!!!!!! calimary Sep 2014 #139
There are a lot of Dems fighting tooth and nail against single-payer too Doctor_J Sep 2014 #22
So tell me Andy823 Sep 2014 #41
Been there, done that, in 2006 and 2008, esp. 2008. merrily Sep 2014 #84
+1 treestar Sep 2014 #156
Agreed. Fearless Sep 2014 #15
K&R.... daleanime Sep 2014 #23
Single Payer is the end goal, no question about it. -eom- HuckleB Sep 2014 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author daredtowork Sep 2014 #25
K&R! I would like to remind you.... Enthusiast Sep 2014 #28
The Middleman Multiplication and Profit Protection Act Doctor_J Sep 2014 #33
You're not clapping BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #37
There is no justification for it. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #38
The money is not going to be removed from the election process unless and until merrily Sep 2014 #85
The American people must make it clear that we are sick of our democracy being co-opted. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #122
If the American people don't find a way to make that clear, the politicians won't guess we are sick merrily Sep 2014 #124
I'm for health care for all, but Medicare has some big issues, coverage gaps, Hoyt Sep 2014 #29
Unlike our clusterfuck? Doctor_J Sep 2014 #32
As much as I wanted single payer, justgamma Sep 2014 #35
I'm saying Medicare is not much better, still have insurance companies involved, no cap on Hoyt Sep 2014 #46
IMHO... DAMANgoldberg Sep 2014 #45
k&r for labor. n/t Laelth Sep 2014 #30
Let's fix medicare first. It is very limited and will only cover about 80% of medical costs. YOHABLO Sep 2014 #34
It would be doable if we could get a fair media. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #39
I agree. Folks think Medicare is the panacea. Hoyt Sep 2014 #47
I see Medicare for All as step 2. ACA was step 1. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #63
I hope so, but I think providers will strongly resist. Hoyt Sep 2014 #71
Yes. Do you envision an interim step between ACA and Medicare For All? SunSeeker Sep 2014 #74
I agree about the ACA for sure. It would have been decades before anyone touched healthcare Hoyt Sep 2014 #86
Many want a National Health Service like in the UK. Single-payer is a step in that direction. n/t pampango Sep 2014 #36
Personally... 99Forever Sep 2014 #40
Yes, sure, absolutely, but how is this at all politically possible? DavidDvorkin Sep 2014 #43
Easy answer, hard execution MFrohike Sep 2014 #56
Not according to some here BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #60
It's too emotional MFrohike Sep 2014 #70
State by State. That's how it's gonna happen. Ron Green Sep 2014 #48
We must take profit out of healthcare. We must have single payer. liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #53
Incrementalism is a magic incantation BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #61
Many not in labor do too. n/t kickysnana Sep 2014 #75
Without Single-payer, We Will Never Be the Social/Competitive Business Equal of Europe cer7711 Sep 2014 #76
SOME in labor want single payer? Anyone who does NOT want single payer is misinformed or evil. merrily Sep 2014 #78
Some unions run own insurance plans PATRICK Sep 2014 #121
Good points. Self interest trumps again. merrily Sep 2014 #123
I take it the last question is rhetorical PATRICK Sep 2014 #131
"I take it the last question is rhetorical" merrily Sep 2014 #132
The cynic in me Babel_17 Sep 2014 #125
You really want single payer? DrBulldog Sep 2014 #138
ACA improved quality of insurance, not the cost or quality of care whereisjustice Sep 2014 #144
The last sentence repeats something hifiguy Sep 2014 #147
Health insurance is an 800 billion dollar industry and would suddenly be eliminated. Kablooie Sep 2014 #148
So...we can't have universal healthcare because it cuts into private corporations' profits. Romulox Sep 2014 #150
Not quite what I said. Kablooie Sep 2014 #154
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