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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts) Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:17 PM Sep 2014

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The Isolationist Left Needs to Get Real. And Fast. [View all]

You people have led sheltered and pampered lives, but the real world is different.

Here's what you need to understand: ~~Iraq~~ ~~al Qaeda~~ ~~the Taliban~~ ~~Iraq again~~ ~~Libya~~ ~~Syria~~ ISIS are the worst people ever on Earth, an incredible threat to humanity.

It is our responsibility to spend a lot of money and risk many American lives to deal with this incredible threat. Fortunately, it will not cost much, nor risk American lives.

We have never faced a threat like this before. If we step up and stop them now, we'll never have to face a threat like this again.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

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The Isolationist Left Needs to Get Real. And Fast. [View all] MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 OP

Just speak from your normal perspective, please, Manny. MineralMan Sep 2014 #1

Sorry. nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #9

Wow your Biggest Fan says you are blowing it Manny! Rex Sep 2014 #47

Tough love. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #163

You heard him Manny... 99Forever Sep 2014 #114

Are you under 40 yrs of age? I think that is the max for signing up or is it older? randys1 Sep 2014 #128

Blowing it? Hardly. In fact, he's nailed it again. Scuba Sep 2014 #180

I guess when all you have is a crayon the whole world looks like a cartoon/NT DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #2

Check out what this pro-war Third Way cheerleader had to say FrodosPet Sep 2014 #13

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a small mind." DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #19

"little minds" WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #35

quoting Emerson in order to cheer for war TheSarcastinator Sep 2014 #96

Americans are the ultimate innocents Billy Budd Sep 2014 #116

Battered citizen cycle of abuse. L0oniX Sep 2014 #133

Bingo . nt littlemissmartypants Sep 2014 #179

Manny, in the grand scheme of things, you and I are allies. Laelth Sep 2014 #3

Energy - you advocate force over treaties. Whatever n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #4

How could we make a treaty with IS? Laelth Sep 2014 #8

So now IS controls BP, Exxon, Gazprom stocks? n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #11

Sorry. I am not following you, here. Laelth Sep 2014 #27

Let Energy Corporations raise their own armies leftstreet Sep 2014 #70

I'd rather not Jack Rabbit Sep 2014 #72

Frontier Services Group JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #177

Wouldn't the working class be in worse shape if energy supplies are interrupted ? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 #74

Why would supplies be 'interrupted?' leftstreet Sep 2014 #95

No Going to War for Tax Scofflaws! Demeter Sep 2014 #80

They already have BobbyBoring Sep 2014 #82

They already have BobbyBoring Sep 2014 #88

Ah yes, the coming corporate wars. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2014 #152

War is bad unless it is good ... TBF Sep 2014 #15

Sadly, yes. That's about the size of it. Laelth Sep 2014 #26

I've read it and I give you points TBF Sep 2014 #36

Fair enough. Laelth Sep 2014 #39

Untrue on a few counts... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #66

The Kurds have been shipping oil, not natural gas, through a pipeline amandabeech Sep 2014 #143

If we need to use our military to protect energy resources MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #51

Hmm ... Laelth Sep 2014 #57

Right, but where does that oil and gas go? MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #62

I am a fan of Smedley Butler. Laelth Sep 2014 #65

Allies' energy interests? Half-Century Man Sep 2014 #91

+10000000 nashville_brook Sep 2014 #112

+1 leftstreet Sep 2014 #135

1) Why are you interested in nationalizing what is the Kurds, and 2) when you say "clean out D.C." msanthrope Sep 2014 #63

Exactly how King George acted after the French and Indian War Generic Other Sep 2014 #75

At first I thought you wrote, "you and I are Ailes." - sheesh. Kablooie Sep 2014 #185

Well done! rug Sep 2014 #5

Grenada? that living nightmare? that Red Triangle!? MisterP Sep 2014 #41

I amolst went there when I was serving tazkcmo Sep 2014 #76

LOL n/t Oilwellian Sep 2014 #107

We are lucky that we as a nation survived that threat. rug Sep 2014 #125

what intrigues me is how *little* the script has changed, even as the actors were rotated in MisterP Sep 2014 #127

No, it's the same arguments over and over again, disguised by different flags. rug Sep 2014 #129

"everything I need to know about the Senegalese I learned 7-1-09! NEVAR FORGET!" MisterP Sep 2014 #131

I won't believe any of them unless they're wearing blue paint. rug Sep 2014 #132

ayup--in Belfast the English shot 30 of them in the back; in Edinburgh the English found oil for 'em MisterP Sep 2014 #136

I don't know... christx30 Sep 2014 #147

Because of course the situation is so simplie that one must either geek tragedy Sep 2014 #6

Complexity and nuance mute outrage. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #113

good observation treestar Sep 2014 #118

... woo me with science Sep 2014 #7

Axis of Evil. Seemed like that should be shoe-horned in as well. Ed Suspicious Sep 2014 #10

Yep. After our Glorious Triumph over Mighty Grenada, we must "smoke 'em out" again. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #12

El Salvador, Honduras, Bolivia, Panama, Liberia, Kuwait - TBF Sep 2014 #14

Uh, sure sub.theory Sep 2014 #16

What would I do? Cut the military TBF Sep 2014 #17

And that solves the issue how? sub.theory Sep 2014 #21

ISIS is only an issue if TBF Sep 2014 #24

If we hadn't invaded Iraq.. sendero Sep 2014 #55

how about only use military force when we are actually being attacked and not get involved in liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #20

That condemns too many innocents to death sub.theory Sep 2014 #23

1,000 children will die from malnutrition today MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #29

"Why not both?" sub.theory Sep 2014 #38

Leaving out the fact that there will always be more bad guys to kill, there will always be leaders liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #43

Much, much, much better at killing! GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #94

So you support clearing out more rainforests to build farms and roads FrodosPet Sep 2014 #170

it wouldn't have started in the first place TBF Sep 2014 #30

PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #33

We can't change the past, we can only deal with the present sub.theory Sep 2014 #42

If only there were countries in the mid east that could fight the evil that is threatening them. Autumn Sep 2014 #48

We gave zillions of dollars of equipment to the Iraqis sub.theory Sep 2014 #69

How would we know of any civilian deaths? former9thward Sep 2014 #105

Then we deal with the present by leaving TBF Sep 2014 #52

Non-action doesn't stop ISIS sub.theory Sep 2014 #60

Tutorial - TBF Sep 2014 #79

President Obama has repeatedly said we will defend, among other things, "American interests," Stardust Sep 2014 #109

Because everything bad that happens in the world is the fault of NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #64

How would ISIS exist? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #68

My perspective is different - I see capitalism TBF Sep 2014 #83

And I see the problem as watching horrific crimes being committed NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #141

There are horrific crimes all over the world - TBF Sep 2014 #146

Sure. Let's talk about Rwanda and our failure to act. NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #150

What we'll talk about is the refusal to act TBF Sep 2014 #154

What I'm after? I'm after stopping countless thousands of people from being slaughtered. NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #157

Any thoughts about helping out the folks in Detroit - TBF Sep 2014 #160

Stay out of other people's civil wars--a general principle to follow Demeter Sep 2014 #86

Too bad we didn't do that in WWII, right? NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #139

Perhaps you are reading impaired? Demeter Sep 2014 #144

Oh, so if the perpetrators are murdering their own people NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #145

If Isis was in Africa, we couldn't avoid them fast enough. lob1 Sep 2014 #93

strange indeed. liberal_at_heart Sep 2014 #169

I do too JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #178

Here is a thought. Half-Century Man Sep 2014 #78

They're not going to like that one - TBF Sep 2014 #85

They are addicted to the money. Half-Century Man Sep 2014 #101

Perhaps we could stop supplying them with weapons n/t Oilwellian Sep 2014 #108

Today is the Chilean coup anniversary arcane1 Sep 2014 #53

Yep. 9-11 was the day of the Chilean coup. Always has made me wonder: navarth Sep 2014 #81

Panama! n2doc Sep 2014 #84

Ah yes! Mustn't forget our invasion of a country without an army. arcane1 Sep 2014 #90

Because it's worked so well before. because....obama! KG Sep 2014 #18

the isolationist left touches the teabagging right to complete the political circle snooper2 Sep 2014 #22

Idiotic whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #130

Nailed it! bobduca Sep 2014 #174

I prefer the term "not murderous." ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #187

Manny hits it out of the park. So very true, they are Autumn Sep 2014 #25

I forget. Are Iraqi lives worth anything? jeff47 Sep 2014 #28

Clearly nothing is worth as much as the oil. nt TBF Sep 2014 #32

Who do you think will be dying in our bombing runs? Leprechauns, perhaps? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #126

Will we be lining them up by the hundreds to shoot them? jeff47 Sep 2014 #142

That's really where you want to set the bar? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #155

So because there may be some UNINTENTIONAL innocent casualties NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #153

Where did I say "DO NOTHING"? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #156

Then let's do something. NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #158

I'm asking someone to realize that our action is going to kill plenty of people Scootaloo Sep 2014 #161

Hey, Manny, I bet we will be greeted as liberators. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #31

Had to laugh... JimDandy Sep 2014 #40

We were in erbil amerli etc flamingdem Sep 2014 #89

Manny, this needs to be on a T-shirt PADemD Sep 2014 #34

Absolutely right, Manny PatrickforO Sep 2014 #37

Hitler, something something. Rex Sep 2014 #44

Maybe someday they will go to the source AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #45

Yeesss Manny!!!!! Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #46

C'mon, Manny! USA gave Saddam Hussein his first job. Octafish Sep 2014 #49

I tend to distrust people who sell themselves as clear-eyed paragons of Aristus Sep 2014 #50

It's an old problem BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #67

Thread win. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #121

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Sep 2014 #137

You have earned your moniker with this post. BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #138

... TBF Sep 2014 #148

They wear their pragmatism like a badge of honor. pa28 Sep 2014 #162

You give them way too much credit. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #166

well said. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #167

you forgot to mention ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2014 #54

Warren: Destroying ISIS should be our No. 1 priority. Step up tracking of Americans traveling abroad Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #56

It won't be long now Andy823 Sep 2014 #97

Yes she did say that. I still support her and want her to run for President. Autumn Sep 2014 #102

Insanity: azurnoir Sep 2014 #58

American Psychosis Nailed K&R whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #59

I have a "Mission Accomplished" banner i'm willing to part with... actslikeacarrot Sep 2014 #61

they are getting lazier & lazier with the stuff. By the next war it will be reduced to "yada yada.. yurbud Sep 2014 #71

Gotta give them credit for the eve of 9/11 announcement - TBF Sep 2014 #92

That's just plagiarism from Bush yurbud Sep 2014 #110

It's what we call bi-partisanship TBF Sep 2014 #181

you keep forgetting Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2014 #73

It's a good bet- bleedinglib Sep 2014 #77

Bake sale profits... Earth_First Sep 2014 #87

Sadly, Boom Sound 416 Sep 2014 #98

Thank you - thank you - thank you SoLeftIAmRight Sep 2014 #99

Maybe you could join the military! TBF Sep 2014 #106

Another pathetic FAIL. Your strawman argument shows the weakness of your attempt at a point. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #100

Cuz killing all those people worked out so good the last war. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #104

Welcome to FailClub MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #119

Hey! Look at the record! 13 years of war, and we're on the cusp of success!!!! grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #120

13 years - you need to look at this TBF Sep 2014 #149

Uh, Manny. Rule one of FailClub Union Scribe Sep 2014 #172

Yet you can't counter it. marmar Sep 2014 #165

You can't handle the truth, can you, Manny? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #103

I've heard that song before. valerief Sep 2014 #111

Same old warmonger song and dance... 99Forever Sep 2014 #115

We have nuclear weapons DocMac Sep 2014 #117

Let's face it: the 99% IS the enemy!!! blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #122

Word. RedCappedBandit Sep 2014 #123

This will be the war to end all wars! I promise! Zorra Sep 2014 #124

we should send those cops from Ferguson and the thousands more just like them whereisjustice Sep 2014 #134

^ now that is an idea with merit. nt TBF Sep 2014 #151

Good to see that Neocon scare-tactic talking points have finally made it to DU. Maedhros Sep 2014 #140

Everyone should have gotten real after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars LibAsHell Sep 2014 #159

My post is sarcasm MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #164

Wait, what? Sarcasm? You? Now I'm confused. And I thought I was getting the rhett o rick Sep 2014 #168

That's just what I tell 'em MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #189

Hahaha, ok LibAsHell Sep 2014 #188

Don't trust him. He has multiple personalities, and you have to be careful who you agree with. rhett o rick Sep 2014 #190

Can't type right now-- eating my peas. /nt Marr Sep 2014 #171

You have to bold *Reality* too bobduca Sep 2014 #173

You forgot the Soviet Union, I mean Russia on your list. nt TeamPooka Sep 2014 #175

LOL! imthevicar Sep 2014 #176

...and for those in my generation... Sancho Sep 2014 #182

scarasm iamthebandfanman Sep 2014 #183

We've always been at war with Middle Eastasia NealK Sep 2014 #184

Indeed, doubleplusgood irony thread. Alkene Sep 2014 #186

shall we dance? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2014 #191