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Chan790

(20,176 posts)
57. Okay, that's a long post and I read it all...
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 11:32 PM
Aug 2014

There is a reason why IS and OG AQ hate each other...it's actually not a new hate...it goes back to when IS was AQ in Iraq (and no, we didn't give them that name, they chose it.) and their leader, Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, asked for resources and weapons to purge Iraq of Shia and Kurds and all the same people they're killing now. AQ told them no and to concentrate on US. That led to a bit of bickering that ended with Ayman al-Zawahiri and Osama bin-Laden having Abu-Musab killed..indirectly, they tipped off US intelligence intentionally so we'd kill him for them. Since that time AQ in Iraq has slowly radicalized into IS unto the point where not only did they disregard direction on not attacking minorities in Iraq instead focusing on us, they took to attacking and killing other AQ-aligned insurgents for not being ideologically-pure enough and not also attacking religious minorities. In response, AQ recognized a different affiliate as the "only legitimate AQ affiliate in Syria and Iraq" and disowned them. That sent things around the bend and IS became actively hostile to the point of targeting leadership of that other affiliate for assassination.

(That's a fight we shouldn't get in the middle of as they might actually kill each other and solve a lot of problems for us.)

Beyond that, IS really is too anarchistic-radical as an Islamist group for other Islamist groups. For AQ, there is an agenda and compromises will be made to advance that agenda. (We may not want to reason with that...but we can reason with that.) For IS, there is only ideological purity...



Must we? (Go to war?) No.

Must we? (Pursue an agenda to curb their influence down to the point that cannot do harm?) That one is a probable qualified-yes. There are ways to combat a threat like IS that are not strictly military in nature. Designating any person funding them, no matter their connections to...say...the Saudi Royal Family, as subject to asset-seizure by OFAC would be a good start...it's not military, it doesn't put US troops in harm's way...and emptying their "checkbook" would do a good deal to curb them. They don't have a lot of ideological friends...nobody is going to give them anything they can't pay for. Dry up the well, so to speak, and they'll be dying faster than they can sustain.

A Question [View all] H2O Man Aug 2014 OP
Erect Bogeyman, wave flag, declare we need protection, give more money to the MIC. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #1
Right! H2O Man Aug 2014 #16
That is the same impression I get. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #49
No, H2O Man, we must not. elleng Aug 2014 #2
It's our oil. H2O Man Aug 2014 #17
Covering all of our bases, no matter which group we end up attacking, or both.... NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #3
Oh, beautiful! H2O Man Aug 2014 #18
omg....I never knew that... Thanks! KoKo Aug 2014 #22
Edited subject line: Reagan met with the Mujahadeen but the quote is about the Contras in Nicaragua. scarletwoman Aug 2014 #39
Excellent clarification, thanks! NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #43
Yeah, that picture has been spread around quite a lot, unfortunately. scarletwoman Aug 2014 #44
No, Reagan did not meet with the Taliban. former9thward Aug 2014 #47
You are correct - I misspoke (miswrote?)! scarletwoman Aug 2014 #55
That picture has been debunked so many times. former9thward Aug 2014 #45
Misleading image removed, reply edited. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #46
Reagan really wasn't very well informed. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #50
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose alsame Aug 2014 #4
You're not the only one wondering about this 'new, much meaner, more brutal remember the sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #5
Were you here on DU for the "Fat Osama, Skinny Osama" Latest Video Debate? KoKo Aug 2014 #19
Yes, I remember the 'fat' Osama and the 'thin' Osama, the dark and the grey bearded sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #56
So much fear-mongering going on in the media. R.Quinn Aug 2014 #6
Somehow the answer is always "we have to go back in" phantom power Aug 2014 #7
The people running ISIS do not hate us. MH1 Aug 2014 #8
The programming of America is at full throttle. The propaganda is rife on MSNBC today. ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #9
Haven't learned the lesson yet... jtuck004 Aug 2014 #10
if we don't watch out, we'll soon be arming al Qaeda to defeat ISIS. Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #11
bringing back the old "enemy of my enemy is my friend" days rurallib Aug 2014 #15
I think they've told us so many stories, THEY can't remember who is who so you may sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #40
al-Qaeda, ISIS, and the wheel. All inventions, but only one benefits humankind. nt valerief Aug 2014 #12
I'm remembering the IRA bombings way back in the day. eggplant Aug 2014 #13
The IRA H2O Man Aug 2014 #14
Heh. I knew I'd be opening a can of worms here. eggplant Aug 2014 #30
No, not at all. H2O Man Aug 2014 #31
I'M NOT SHOUTING! eggplant Aug 2014 #32
Yes, they were ... sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #36
Wait till America no longer cares about Islamic Terrorists.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #20
You eloquently put into words what I have thinking. madfloridian Aug 2014 #21
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2014 #26
al Qisis whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #23
Hell freaking NO, we don't need to go!!! lark Aug 2014 #24
Yes, we must. You seem confused. "Reports that say...that something hasn't happened Zorra Aug 2014 #25
Beautiful! H2O Man Aug 2014 #28
There is an other possibility. zeemike Aug 2014 #27
Evidently, you were not aware that the head imam in Saudi Arabia declared that ISIS . . . Major Hogwash Aug 2014 #29
As far as I can tell, Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #33
Your First Point Seems To Define . . . ProfessorGAC Aug 2014 #53
Why is this back on page 3? madfloridian Aug 2014 #34
I think of it as an old Johnny Carson routine: scarletwoman Aug 2014 #35
Lol! Good one! sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #41
This had been a long steady march to war. morningfog Aug 2014 #37
The American Prayer... RagAss Aug 2014 #38
The drums of war are beating ever louder - Again. suffragette Aug 2014 #42
Even dear Rachel is calling out the wusses. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #48
There is no hope. Amonester Aug 2014 #51
Juan Cole: Islamic State of Iraq & Levant too Extreme for al-Qaeda (Not the Onion) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #52
It reminds me of the children's song: I know an old lady who swallowed a fly - myrna minx Aug 2014 #54
Okay, that's a long post and I read it all... Chan790 Aug 2014 #57
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