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Douglas Carpenter

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17. Agree - And here is what a former Israeli Foreign Minister said regarding Hamas
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:57 PM
Aug 2014

Last edited Wed Aug 6, 2014, 07:11 AM - Edit history (1)

"SHLOMO BEN-AMI: Yes, Hamas. I think that in my view there is almost sort of poetic justice with this victory of Hamas. After all, what is the reason for this nostalgia for Arafat and for the P.L.O.? Did they run the affairs of the Palestinians in a clean way? You mentioned the corruption, the inefficiency. Of course, Israel has contributed a lot to the disintegration of the Palestinian system, no doubt about it, but their leaders failed them. Their leaders betrayed them, and the victory of Hamas is justice being made in many ways. So we cannot preach democracy and then say that those who won are not accepted by us. Either there is democracy or there is no democracy.

And with these people, I think they are much more pragmatic than is normally perceived. In the 1990s, they invented the concept of a temporary settlement with Israel. 1990s was the first time that Hamas spoke about a temporary settlement with Israel. In 2003, they declared unilaterally a truce, and the reason they declared the truce is this, that with Arafat, whose the system of government was one of divide and rule, they were discarded from the political system. Mahmoud Abbas has integrated them into the political system, and this is what brought them to the truce. They are interested in politicizing themselves, in becoming a politic entity. And we need to try and see ways where we can work with them.

Now, everybody says they need first to recognize the state of Israel and end terrorism. Believe me, I would like them to do so today, but they are not going to do that. They are eventually going to do that in the future, but only as part of a quid pro quo, just as the P.L.O. did it. The P.L.O., when Rabin came to negotiate with them, also didn't recognize the state of Israel, and they engaged in all kind of nasty practices. And therefore, we need to be much more realistic and abandon worn-out cliches and see whether we can reach something with these people. I believe that a long-term interim agreement between Israel and Hamas, even if it is not directly negotiated between the parties, but through a third party, is feasible and possible."

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/14/fmr_israeli_foreign_minister_shlomo_ben
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Hamas's official offer of a long term truce with Israel from Ahmed Yousef:



Hamas's official offer of a long term truce with Israel from Ahmed Yousef:


By AHMED YOUSEF
Originally Published: November 1, 2006 in the New York Times

"Ahmed Yousef is a senior adviser to the Palestinian prime minister, Ismail Haniya."

"HERE in Gaza, few dream of peace. For now, most dare only to dream of a lack of war. It is for this reason that Hamas proposes a long-term truce during which the Israeli and Palestinian peoples can try to negotiate a lasting peace.
A truce is referred to in Arabic as a ''hudna.'' Typically covering 10 years, a hudna is recognized in Islamic jurisprudence as a legitimate and binding contract. A hudna extends beyond the Western concept of a cease-fire and obliges the parties to use the period to seek a permanent, nonviolent resolution to their differences. The Koran finds great merit in such efforts at promoting understanding among different people. Whereas war dehumanizes the enemy and makes it easier to kill, a hudna affords the opportunity to humanize one's opponents and understand their position with the goal of resolving the intertribal or international dispute.
Such a concept -- a period of nonwar but only partial resolution of a conflict -- is foreign to the West and has been greeted with much suspicion. Many Westerners I speak to wonder how one can stop the violence without ending the conflict.
I would argue, however, that this concept is not as foreign as it might seem. After all, the Irish Republican Army agreed to halt its military struggle to free Northern Ireland from British rule without recognizing British sovereignty. Irish Republicans continue to aspire to a united Ireland free of British rule, but rely upon peaceful methods. Had the I.R.A. been forced to renounce its vision of reuniting Ireland before negotiations could occur, peace would never have prevailed. Why should more be demanded of the Palestinians, particularly when the spirit of our people will never permit it?
When Hamas gives its word to an international agreement, it does so in the name of God and will therefore keep its word. Hamas has honored its previous cease-fires, as Israelis grudgingly note with the oft-heard words, ''At least with Hamas they mean what they say.''
This offer of hudna is no ruse, as some assert, to strengthen our military machine, to buy time to organize better or to consolidate our hold on the Palestinian Authority. Indeed, faith-based political movements in Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Malaysia, Morocco, Turkey and Yemen have used hudna-like strategies to avoid expanding conflict. Hamas will conduct itself just as wisely and honorably.
We Palestinians are prepared to enter into a hudna to bring about an immediate end to the occupation and to initiate a period of peaceful coexistence during which both sides would refrain from any form of military aggression or provocation. During this period of calm and negotiation we can address the important issues like the right of return and the release of prisoners. If the negotiations fail to achieve a durable settlement, the next generation of Palestinians and Israelis will have to decide whether or not to renew the hudna and the search for a negotiated peace.
There can be no comprehensive solution of the conflict today, this week, this month, or even this year. A conflict that has festered for so long may, however, be resolved through a decade of peaceful coexistence and negotiations. This is the only sensible alternative to the current situation. A hudna will lead to an end to the occupation and create the space and the calm necessary to resolve all outstanding issues.
Few in Gaza dream. For most of the past six months it's been difficult to even sleep. Yet hope is not dead. And when we dare to hope, this is what we see: a 10-year hudna during which, inshallah (God willing), we will learn again to dream of peace.

Ahmed Yousef is a senior adviser to the Palestinian prime minister, Ismail Haniya. "
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #1
Maybe Dennis will volunteer as a negotiator.... FarPoint Aug 2014 #2
Dennis just might be a good envoy to send to that region madokie Aug 2014 #3
The feral cats we feed would be better than that war criminal malaise Aug 2014 #4
How about going back to the original 1946 UN charter mikeysnot Aug 2014 #5
I think LWolf Aug 2014 #6
Or maybe go back to to the Franco-British boundary agreement of 1920? oberliner Aug 2014 #7
WTF? mikeysnot Aug 2014 #8
It's as ridiculous as wanting to go back to 1946 oberliner Aug 2014 #9
Seriously said it mikeysnot Aug 2014 #11
But the Likud charter calls for no Palestinian state, ever! regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #26
Exactly! mikeysnot Aug 2014 #30
Negotiating peace by having one side give up? NightWatcher Aug 2014 #10
Bingo! mikeysnot Aug 2014 #12
Notice how the last we heard from/of him was that he got a job at Fox Snooze? NightWatcher Aug 2014 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author mikeysnot Aug 2014 #14
What is he smoking ? Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #15
Based upon a Facebook post by the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset Aerows Aug 2014 #16
There are 8 Deputy Speakers of the Knesset oberliner Aug 2014 #18
No response to his words? Aerows Aug 2014 #20
Feiglin is a hateful right-wing nut job oberliner Aug 2014 #21
How do you say "Final Solution" in Hebrew? regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #27
"Durable Solution" Aerows Aug 2014 #29
Agree - And here is what a former Israeli Foreign Minister said regarding Hamas Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #17
It's weird how Israeli leaders are assumed to be lying while Hamas leaders oberliner Aug 2014 #19
I think this former Israeli Foreign Minister was correct in what he said here, don't you? Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #22
He's not an Israeli leader oberliner Aug 2014 #23
you trust the Netanyahu spokesperson? For the record I don't trust and I don't think Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #24
Not especially oberliner Aug 2014 #25
There's a reason why he's now a FORMER Israeli Foreign Minister... regnaD kciN Aug 2014 #28
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