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173. On DU, agreed. I was also speaking of speech elsewhere.

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Self-censorship is censorship. Advocating self-censorship is advocating censorship. [View all] riqster Jun 2014 OP

Wow, great post quinnox Jun 2014 #1

Thanks! riqster Jun 2014 #8

There is no context in American discourse. Every word/phrase can now be used valerief Jun 2014 #2

I feel like a balding, paunchy, wheezing King Canute at times, riqster Jun 2014 #4

I love it that you actually know who King Canute was. Hekate Jun 2014 #77

I am a fount of useless trivia. riqster Jun 2014 #78

"First amendment rights"? Seriously? alp227 Jun 2014 #3

Fair point. And not at all contradictory to my OP. riqster Jun 2014 #6

That's why I hate political correctness. You have a 'word' hall monitor who valerief Jun 2014 #11

Couldn't disagree more - everything should be on the table for discussion and that includes el_bryanto Jun 2014 #5

See, I agree with what you are saying. riqster Jun 2014 #7

But that's implied isn't it? el_bryanto Jun 2014 #9

The problem with that is the word c*** is offensive to SOME women... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #12

That's an interesting argument el_bryanto Jun 2014 #16

It's anecdotal, you're right... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #30

Well I don't have much time for the Rude Pundit el_bryanto Jun 2014 #55

I was saying that quoting the RP should be fine, Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #69

The Church had a lot to do with making those words "obscene." nilesobek Jun 2014 #130

Sort of like dark meat and light/white meat... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #142

It is offensive to MANY women and btw, being a straight white male makes whathehell Jun 2014 #179

Interesting. I see it as different. riqster Jun 2014 #15

Super bad analogy gollygee Jun 2014 #29

That's a compelling response I have to admit. nt el_bryanto Jun 2014 #38

Analogy is always a tricky tool. riqster Jun 2014 #44

That's exactly my reasoning for hating political correctness. It shuts down discourse valerief Jun 2014 #51

Read Gollygee's post above? el_bryanto Jun 2014 #53

I'm not sure that is the point. riqster Jun 2014 #60

Could people have chosen to be not offended by words and paid attention valerief Jun 2014 #61

And that's the key point isn't it? People should just choose not to be offended. el_bryanto Jun 2014 #85

Pretty well. Just don't read or listen to those who offend. riqster Jun 2014 #97

but you said below you would have voted to "hide" the Rude Pundit post CreekDog Jun 2014 #135

None. riqster Jun 2014 #137

but mercuryblues Jun 2014 #176

Here's what I think is hysterical Glitterati Jun 2014 #10

LOL... and this is the crowd that uses 'context' as a defense of TRP's repeated use of misogynistic redqueen Jun 2014 #14

There you go Glitterati Jun 2014 #18

Please keep posting... redqueen Jun 2014 #20

Did I need your permission? Glitterati Jun 2014 #21

... redqueen Jun 2014 #25

There was nothing being used as a slur there gollygee Jun 2014 #32

An assist for you Glitterati Jun 2014 #39

No one on DU has objected to things that are simply crude gollygee Jun 2014 #41

You're so busy being outraged Glitterati Jun 2014 #42

I'm not outraged gollygee Jun 2014 #45

And, I don't click on Rude Pundit posts Glitterati Jun 2014 #49

No one is trying to tell you what you should find interesting, acceptable, or humorous gollygee Jun 2014 #54

When I use the name "Dick" to refer to Cheney Generic Other Jun 2014 #165

Is it a slur? jeff47 Jun 2014 #91

I think it is homophobic gollygee Jun 2014 #126

Why doesn't that apply to "go fuck yourself"? jeff47 Jun 2014 #145

There isn't any oppression in this country gollygee Jun 2014 #166

One doesn't have to be oppressed for something to be a slur jeff47 Jun 2014 #167

Those gollygee Jun 2014 #168

Not the case. riqster Jun 2014 #171

I said "sex." Not "alternative sex." gollygee Jun 2014 #186

So, as long it's only "normal" people who aren't being oppressed, oppression is OK? riqster Jun 2014 #193

Huh? gollygee Jun 2014 #194

Your reply was factually inaccurate. And in a crucial area. riqster Jun 2014 #196

FFS you are intentionally ignoring the point here gollygee Jun 2014 #199

No, I am trying to point out a crucial point about discrimination: riqster Jun 2014 #200

They are oppressed gollygee Jun 2014 #201

I don't think anybody objected just because of crude language fishwax Jun 2014 #150

So it's okay to tell a child to 'Fuck off' if you feel like it. randome Jun 2014 #13

That was my first thought, too. We self censor all the fucking time. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #17

I self-censor. And I taught my kids to do so. riqster Jun 2014 #19

The tautology in the subject line is gold. redqueen Jun 2014 #22

Yeah, I kinda figured it would be a fun thread. riqster Jun 2014 #24

I actually enjoy unleashing a stream of profanities in a church. YMMV. N/T Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #33

Church is cool, 'cause you can say "ass" and "hell" and "damnation" ... dawg Jun 2014 #36

And "Jesus Christ!" riqster Jun 2014 #63

noooo are you saying there might be profanities in the Bible too? Phlem Jun 2014 #181

Depends on what you being censored for. Phlem Jun 2014 #180

I prefer the classic take on self censorship whistler162 Jun 2014 #23

I like that one, too. riqster Jun 2014 #27

Hah! Just said that to a friend as we came out of a sandwich shop yesterday. freshwest Jun 2014 #74

Sometimes we don't even need to open our mouths. riqster Jun 2014 #84

DU is based in self and other censorship. otherwise we would accept republicans and other La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #26

S'truth. And the site owner sets the standards. riqster Jun 2014 #34

yes, and its why i am here and not on discussionist. just because La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #56

I spend some time there, not much. riqster Jun 2014 #58

ok ... I'm going to Grannie's house right now Trajan Jun 2014 #28

pssssst Trajan Jun 2014 #31

This:"As a species, we self censor ourselves every day ..." riqster Jun 2014 #35

This is ridiculous gollygee Jun 2014 #37

Thank you. ^ 840high Jun 2014 #43

Your efforts are commendable redqueen Jun 2014 #46

LOL I was told I was outraged gollygee Jun 2014 #50

It's the kind of entertainment money can't buy. redqueen Jun 2014 #52

Performance art indeed. savalez Jun 2014 #125

thank you, in agreement uppityperson Jun 2014 #66

I associate myself with your post and comments, as they say. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #148

Excellent OP. Thank you Autumn Jun 2014 #40

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #47

There are differences between government censorship, private censorship and self-censorship onenote Jun 2014 #48

Your examples don't work, because in America someone would shoot off a gun before the valerief Jun 2014 #59

Point. I did not call out all the possible environments. riqster Jun 2014 #67

I give a lot more leeway to political speech LittleBlue Jun 2014 #57

Who are the censors "protecting"? Themselves, or somebody else? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #62

Holy schnikies, we just agreed on something. riqster Jun 2014 #70

In the general "arena" and in relation to any governmental intervention etherealtruth Jun 2014 #64

Indeed. A DU jury hid a post. Fair. riqster Jun 2014 #68

Oh i did not realize that it was suggested that someone 'outside' of our "house" etherealtruth Jun 2014 #71

Understandable. riqster Jun 2014 #73

Free speech is indeed, free speech. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #72

the OP self-censors him/her self in a post critical of censorship lol. now that's funny nt msongs Jun 2014 #75

Self-censorship? I thought that was the job of your superego or conscience. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #76

It is indeed. riqster Jun 2014 #80

Is the entire jury system invalid then? BainsBane Jun 2014 #79

No, DU is private space and has an adjudication process. riqster Jun 2014 #81

She has the same right to offer her views BainsBane Jun 2014 #88

I see a difference between expressing one's own opinion, riqster Jun 2014 #93

People do that here everyday BainsBane Jun 2014 #99

Quite the opposite. riqster Jun 2014 #102

No, it isn't kcr Jun 2014 #157

There's a difference jeff47 Jun 2014 #94

She has no power to censor BainsBane Jun 2014 #95

Not in the legal sense jeff47 Jun 2014 #98

Dingdingding! We have a winner. riqster Jun 2014 #100

Read it again. He is instructing people about what are and are not acceptable ways to express Squinch Jun 2014 #159

It's an opinion BainsBane Jun 2014 #113

Her opinion is that it's bad for a set of reasons. jeff47 Jun 2014 #116

It's an opinion, coupled with an admonition. riqster Jun 2014 #160

so? BainsBane Jun 2014 #162

Never did I say that. riqster Jun 2014 #163

That's some pretty nitty-gritty instructions on how you think people should express themselves. Squinch Jun 2014 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author AngryAmish Jun 2014 #82

you dont seem to understand that free speech is about govt intervention or interference.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #83

I understand it quite well. riqster Jun 2014 #87

if you call me the B word i reserve the right to censor you! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #122

If I did so, you'd be censoring at the listener end. riqster Jun 2014 #128

free speech law ONLY relates to the govt. I can still "regulate" you.....just like I can a smoker VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #129

You can regulate me by not listening. riqster Jun 2014 #132

so i regulate your smoking by not breathing? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #133

I confined myself to speech. riqster Jun 2014 #134

and i dont....mine is based on what a court of law would do.....look for precedence VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #136

Never said I was. riqster Jun 2014 #139

you are railing against what you call censorship.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #141

I never said DU can't censor me. riqster Jun 2014 #147

then what the hell is your problem? I don't get it.....where is the censorship? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #152

that is the stupidest OP I have read in a long time CreekDog Jun 2014 #86

LOL. Best answer. bettyellen Jun 2014 #92

You not using the n-word is different from others telling you not use it. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2014 #96

It's not different actually CreekDog Jun 2014 #101

Sure it is. jeff47 Jun 2014 #106

I am saying that it is not my job to get you to accommodate my feelings in your speech. riqster Jun 2014 #110

So, do you use the N-word? CreekDog Jun 2014 #111

Nope. riqster Jun 2014 #120

there is nothing wrong with trying to get people to "self-censor" in certain situations cali Jun 2014 #156

lol wryter2000 Jun 2014 #121

have to agree with you....this is stupid VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #123

The folks at the front of the line telling people what they must not say LadyHawkAZ Jun 2014 #89

Except you are advocating self-censoring advocation of self-censorship. MadrasT Jun 2014 #90

this is a good point. CreekDog Jun 2014 #103

No, I am saying we must not coerce others into self-censorship. riqster Jun 2014 #104

Right, you're telling people to shut up. CreekDog Jun 2014 #108

Nope. I know what I said, and that ain't it. riqster Jun 2014 #112

So, we must not coerce someone into self-censoring the urge to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater? n/t Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #109

Nope, that is illegal. riqster Jun 2014 #114

As Madras pointed out, you're telling people to censor themselves CreekDog Jun 2014 #105

No, I'm telling people not to censor others. riqster Jun 2014 #115

Your OP is trying to control others. Exactly what you are saying nobody should do. MadrasT Jun 2014 #127

I see what you are saying. riqster Jun 2014 #131

I've already written far too much on this, but... NuclearDem Jun 2014 #107

I disagree with nothing you say here. riqster Jun 2014 #117

DU is a privately owned enterprise and thus the owners make the rules here. Kaleva Jun 2014 #118

True. And I am not arguing with DU standards. riqster Jun 2014 #124

I agree with the point you are making. Kaleva Jun 2014 #138

Here is the problem with these "community standards." nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #144

A very hearty K&R Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2014 #119

I think all of us "self-censor" to adjust our MineralMan Jun 2014 #140

Context is important, yes. But a little discretion can also go a long way. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #143

The first amendment doesn't apply on a private website. X_Digger Jun 2014 #146

Once again: I am not speaking just about DU. riqster Jun 2014 #169

You seem to have inferred something quite different than the rest of us. X_Digger Jun 2014 #170

Word! Well said, riqster... Surya Gayatri Jun 2014 #149

Wow. This is dumb. Self censorship is not censorship. That's just completely crazy. Squinch Jun 2014 #151

If that's true, then they should probably take "censorship" out of "self censorship" Orrex Jun 2014 #175

Does incense make you feel incensed? Do tea bags have anything to do with tea baggers or oral sex? Squinch Jun 2014 #182

Yeah, yeah. And "irony" doesn't mean "sort of like iron." You can do better than that. Orrex Jun 2014 #183

Fine, Orrex. When you don't pee in the punch bowl, its because you've been oppressed by someone Squinch Jun 2014 #184

I know that you're not illiterate, so it's clear that you didn't read my post. Orrex Jun 2014 #185

"That is censorship whether the agency is external or internal" Squinch Jun 2014 #187

It's a big tent. Orrex Jun 2014 #188

And I wonder what you think you are accomplishing by insisting that they are the same thing, Squinch Jun 2014 #189

I'm not insisting that they are the same thing Orrex Jun 2014 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jun 2014 #192

And thread after thread condemning someone's critique of another's speech?? Zenlitened Jun 2014 #153

In my house, I prefer that word not be used. This is Skinner's (virtual) house cali Jun 2014 #154

I Think you can say what you want ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #155

I agree, and I picked "censorship" to make a powerful point. riqster Jun 2014 #174

I think people should use common sense and remember they agreed to the Terms of Service and hrmjustin Jun 2014 #161

On DU, agreed. I was also speaking of speech elsewhere. riqster Jun 2014 #173

1st amendment-the most misunderstood amendment sufrommich Jun 2014 #164

In the very first sentence of my OP, I said that this wasn't just on DU. riqster Jun 2014 #172

Hear, Hear!!! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #177

one doesn't need to worry about self censorship here Phlem Jun 2014 #178

That includes basic etiquette, and reasonable self monitoring? loyalsister Jun 2014 #190

I would never post the sorts of things that RP does. riqster Jun 2014 #195

Amen! Fuck rereading and editing or withdrawing your posts! JUST HIT SEND! FrodosPet Jun 2014 #197

I assume you meant this as sarcasm? riqster Jun 2014 #198