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(7,188 posts) Mon Jun 9, 2014, 03:59 PM Jun 2014

For those that say if I had a gun when the guy entered the store, I could defend myself.... [View all]

Joseph Wilcox who was in the Walmart store was carrying a gun.

Wilcox told a friend he was going to confront the shooters. Joseph didn't realize Amanda Miller was one of shooters. He walked right past her as he moved towards her husband.

Amanda shot him. Wilcox is now dead.

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For those that say if I had a gun when the guy entered the store, I could defend myself.... [View all] Justice Jun 2014 OP

When everyone has guns... JaneyVee Jun 2014 #1

Be very careful. TxVietVet Jun 2014 #3

Better safe than sorry? Electric Monk Jun 2014 #11

Great cartoon. We are getting there. I expect to see this exact scenario to be a reality for AlinPA Jun 2014 #12

Welcome to America, the greatest country in the world--for billionaires. nt valerief Jun 2014 #24

like Jon Stewart said awoke_in_2003 Jun 2014 #66

First, observe what's going on. TxVietVet Jun 2014 #2

Oh Jesus Fucking Christ tabasco Jun 2014 #14

+1000. Squinch Jun 2014 #18

I agree Rider3 Jun 2014 #20

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2014 #21

On a Ritz!!!!!! +111111!!!!! nt MADem Jun 2014 #37

Bullseye response. Thank you. (nt) Paladin Jun 2014 #54

Ah but you forget that every gun endows it owner with special gifts.... Liberal Veteran Jun 2014 #58

He obviously has Spider Sense. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #74

You got it all figured out how to proceed to enter a firefight. Get real. Well trained cops fuck Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #15

I'm guessing the poster is a Vietnam Vet? Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #17

It's been a long fucking time since Vietnam tabasco Jun 2014 #25

never a good reason to treat somebody with contempt. Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #30

I'm treating people with reality, not contempt. tabasco Jun 2014 #35

gramma always say "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #68

.. Cha Jun 2014 #95

I agree with you. There never is justification for rudeness or ridicule. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #100

Per Sheldon, you catch the most flies with manure. I think he's right, maggots can't live in honey genwah Jun 2014 #107

but flies don't get stuck in manure Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #110

Ahh...a replay of the old Soviet "Honey-traps"! Kudos. genwah Jun 2014 #111

Or on the internet!!! MADem Jun 2014 #43

And the martinis are always shaken, not stirred... catbyte Jun 2014 #78

Given the screen name sarisataka Jun 2014 #26

It doesn't take a buffoon to succumb to the odds. He's as likely more or less to assess and navigate Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #49

Nice, non-knee jerk reply. flying rabbit Jun 2014 #50

+1 Go Vols Jun 2014 #101

actually no, that would not be training "in this stuff". Schema Thing Jun 2014 #55

how about: life experience in a situation where there are Voice for Peace Jun 2014 #69

You gotta be kiddin'. Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #103

The cops were sitting ducks LaurenG Jun 2014 #57

And carrying a gun doesn't prevent you from making mistakes. pnwmom Jun 2014 #34

what mistake did the two dead cops make? spanone Jun 2014 #72

Not assuming the world is some kind of online FPS in Free For All mode. Maedhros Jun 2014 #93

There were people all around. Any of them could have been terrorists. pnwmom Jun 2014 #91

Exactly my thought, too. Observe & assess the situation first so you can try to identify who all Ghost in the Machine Jun 2014 #96

He never got a shot off Nevernose Jun 2014 #4

It's being reported in some circles that he was described by the responding officers as a 'hero' for AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #27

The gun made him brave enough to confront the shooter. pnwmom Jun 2014 #38

Yes. And this is what gives me pause. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #46

And now, to further complicate things, we've got these guns rights activists pnwmom Jun 2014 #51

Another instance of armed police being killed HeiressofBickworth Jun 2014 #71

I have no idea how you got that out of what I said. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #85

It's never 'too late'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #102

My impression was that was the police Nevernose Jun 2014 #77

Also within the range of possibilities. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #87

The cops had guns also, yes? HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #5

They were ambushed in the booth of a restaurant. Jenoch Jun 2014 #29

Not blaming them at all. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #40

Ok, I agree with that. Jenoch Jun 2014 #42

From what I understand, neither of them should have had guns in the first place. He was catbyte Jun 2014 #79

I have two brothers who are cops. My family understands your concerns. Jenoch Jun 2014 #88

Where was the blame? quakerboy Jun 2014 #45

If the guy wasn't a gunner he'd still be alive. upaloopa Jun 2014 #6

dont be a dick? grahampuba Jun 2014 #22

He wouldn't have tried to be a hero upaloopa Jun 2014 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author grahampuba Jun 2014 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author upaloopa Jun 2014 #99

I believe it was an unselfish act, but an act that proved, once again pnwmom Jun 2014 #44

In this case he would probably be alive if he didn't have a gun , but you can't always believe a statementofgoods Jun 2014 #73

Very likely. moondust Jun 2014 #83

Just goes to show you: a functioning pair of legs, a synaptically intact brain, Aristus Jun 2014 #7

Right on BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #9

We're often told by bumper-stickers and simpletons that a heavily armed population is a polite popul LanternWaste Jun 2014 #8

An armed society is a polite society. image below alfredo Jun 2014 #67

Dear NRA oldandhappy Jun 2014 #10

thanks for onethatcares Jun 2014 #13

oh I've already read the cops SHOULD HAVE HAD THEIR GUNS LAYING ON THE TABLE!! Skittles Jun 2014 #47

You missed the point. Jenoch Jun 2014 #59

? I'm not even referring to this thread Skittles Jun 2014 #60

My mistake. Jenoch Jun 2014 #62

I just read yours Skittles Jun 2014 #64

Almost 22 years ago a trio of gangbangers Jenoch Jun 2014 #65

Sadly, most gunfights Mr.Bill Jun 2014 #16

And in this instance, from a range of possibilities, it's also possible for EVERYONE to lose. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #39

Correct. Mr.Bill Jun 2014 #56

Precisely. doxydad Jun 2014 #19

Proving guns kill. But we knew that. nt valerief Jun 2014 #23

There are a mix of examples of good and bad outcomes. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #28

The bad guy almost always has the jump on victims, unless victim is profiling some way. Hoyt Jun 2014 #32

The cops had guns, the terrorists had guns, the CCW guy had a gun... InfoWingerWatch Jun 2014 #33

And the customers and employees who simply exited the building all lived. n/t pnwmom Jun 2014 #41

At least SwankyXomb Jun 2014 #70

Not even well-trained infantry troops go up against opponents alone jmowreader Jun 2014 #36

Yup. There's a reason why cops have partners, searching an "empty" place by yourself is a losing genwah Jun 2014 #108

Was he a "good guy with a gun"? Figures. AAO Jun 2014 #52

Kick alfredo Jun 2014 #53

And if another carrier or a cop saw Wilcox, he or she might have wrongly apples and oranges Jun 2014 #61

I don't know what the Nevada requirements are for a CCW, Jenoch Jun 2014 #75

I simply LOVE the assumption (that LaPissant keeps pushing) is if you are armed, you will win rustydog Jun 2014 #63

Yeah, too bad Wilcox didn't spray the whole store with slugs Warpy Jun 2014 #76

Statistically that's not accurate statementofgoods Jun 2014 #80

That's why the poster said "dying by gunshot" and not just "dying." Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #81

Well that's what I meant also , it's not more likely that a person who owns a gun statementofgoods Jun 2014 #82

Except you still got it wrong even after clarifying what you "meant." Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #84

But that's not true statementofgoods Jun 2014 #86

I'm not saying what the poster said is true. I'm just demonstrating you don't know what they said. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #89

But that argument can be used for anything in your household statementofgoods Jun 2014 #90

So the argument would go that if you don't want to die from a gunshot wound... Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #92

Elementary logic would be more to the point. Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #104

OMG the CAR meme Skittles Jun 2014 #94

A woman can do anything a man can do IronLionZion Jun 2014 #97

"A woman can do anything a man can do."--Nonsense. Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #105

I know some who would try IronLionZion Jun 2014 #106

k&r nt raccoon Jun 2014 #98

Live by the gun, die by the gun mwrguy Jun 2014 #109