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HiPointDem

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70. It's not really anything to do with meals. it's to do with the assumption of tips.
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 05:05 AM
Apr 2012

For example:

Both the FLSA and the Pennsylvania Minimum Wage law provide for a "tip credit." The tip credit essentially allows a restaurant owner to rely on tips received by the employee to make up a portion of that individual's minimum wage.

...a Pennsylvania restaurant owner must use the Pennsylvania tip credit which requires him to pay a direct wage of $2.83 per hour, while relying on tips to make up the balance of the State minimum.


$2.83 per hour. Nothing to do with meals, but with the expectation that $2.83 + tips will = minimum wage. Effectively a subsidy to restaurant owners.

http://www.buteralaw.com/newsletters.asp?c=88&id=597


And in states without tip credit laws which allow owners to legally pay less than the minimum wage:

Even when they are paid the state minimum, certain classes of employees (servers and hairdressers among them) are taxed at a higher rate than minimum wage employees, under the theory that there is a large amount of unreported income that comes to these employees in the form of tips.

Servers are taxed based on a percentage of their sales, which are reported to the federal government (e.g. "Timmy made $100 this week in salary and he sold $100 this week, so that means we can assume he made $100 + an unknown percentage of those sales in tips. We will therefore tax him at the rate for people making ($100 + tips), instead of $100.&quot

The government assumes a blanket tip rate -- when I was serving, it was 8 percent (so the calculation above for Timmy would be $100 in salary and $8 in tips -- Timmy is taxed as if he made $108, regardless of whether he actually made that $8). This blanket rate has likely changed since then; it probably went up.

Therefore, whenever you tip someone below the going rate (i.e. you stiff them), you're actually punishing them in a far greater way than you presume. It's not just the opportunity cost you're hitting them with. You're actually taking money out of their pockets.

http://ask.metafilter.com/147182/Tipping-when-waitstaff-get-paid-minimum-wage


Federal Minimum Wage

As of 2011, the federal minimum wage for wait staff is $2.13 per hour plus tips, and the general federal minimum wage rate is $7.25. If the total of your tips plus your hourly base rate do not equal at least the federal minimum of $7.25 per hour your employer must make up the difference.

In addition, your employer may not classify you as a tipped employee if you receive less than $30 in tips per month. If you do not qualify for tipped employee classification, the minimum amount your employer can pay you is $7.25 per hour.

Read more: Minimum Wage for Wait Staff | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_7968577_minimum-wage-wait-staff.html#ixzz1qsAsUJqp


About 20 states have minimum wages for tipped employees that are under the federal minimum. Utah is lowest at $2.13/hr. So the employee needs to make over $5/hr in tips just to get to minimum.

Perhaps a gratuity should be added to the bill. Cleita Apr 2012 #1
I don't believe tips will make up for the disparity Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #4
No, but they sure would help. Cleita Apr 2012 #5
Still a pittance Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #14
What are you basing the 120% on, his salary? Cleita Apr 2012 #17
Not sure what your point is Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #22
Yes, but the 20% gratuity comes from the receipts, not the wages he earns Cleita Apr 2012 #26
Sorry for missing the point about restaurant receipts Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #48
It's not really anything to do with meals. it's to do with the assumption of tips. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #70
Those laws should be struck down. Apparently, they have become worse since I did restaurant p/r. Cleita Apr 2012 #107
regarding docking for meals. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #76
Which ONLY makes sense if all his tables' tabs total $7.25 every hour dmallind Apr 2012 #45
You're right Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #47
The real problem is the attitude of the millionaire farmers...who probably aren't growing a damn nanabugg Apr 2012 #69
Let me tell you about farmers. Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2012 #96
Some states DO require restaurants to pay minimum wage, but Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #56
True and California is one of them. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #77
The difference is between $8 an hour and $20 an hour, for a good manufacturing job. pnwmom Apr 2012 #24
I didn't say that but it's still better than getting a nickel. Cleita Apr 2012 #27
depends on the manufacturing job hfojvt Apr 2012 #15
All the good manufacturing jobs that paid well were union jobs. Cleita Apr 2012 #28
That is not true. bvar22 Apr 2012 #109
You are very right. However, it was because of the union competition that Cleita Apr 2012 #110
Sadly, these days even manufacturing jobs usually pay crap wages dotymed Apr 2012 #32
a server's salary Maine-ah Apr 2012 #54
I confess to being clueless about what servers earn Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #58
that`s why my wife leaves cash if at all possible madrchsod Apr 2012 #16
Or we should just let the minimum wage be the minimum wage quakerboy Apr 2012 #49
My point of view is that since the IRS taxes tips TransitJohn Apr 2012 #50
I would agree with that quakerboy Apr 2012 #53
I'd rather take tips than minimum wage. Maine-ah Apr 2012 #55
This is where the thinking is wrong. Cleita Apr 2012 #60
Yes that is still the law but not quite as you say. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #75
Social Security and Medicare are in deep trouble. former9thward Apr 2012 #2
Because they are. Cleita Apr 2012 #7
Despite your well known and feeble attempts to slander posters by using terms former9thward Apr 2012 #13
Because you phrase those memes exactly like they do. It makes me think that this is where Cleita Apr 2012 #25
Sorry, but not all of us have the confidence you have. The Trustees Report also says... sad sally Apr 2012 #39
It's not broken yet, unless you allow them to break it. Cleita Apr 2012 #59
I think there'll be a civil war before the right-wing breaks and gives in, in the grand scheme. Selatius Apr 2012 #71
Are you aware that the projections change every year? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #72
"Legislative modifications" = rate increase, as has been done many times in the past. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #74
They were in trouble the MOMENT our manufacturing went offshore. nt Pholus Apr 2012 #62
No one who actually delves into the history and the numbers for themself can actually believe that. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #73
without a middle class wendylaroux Apr 2012 #3
Oh it's good for some things Hawkowl Apr 2012 #6
I have said that same thing for over eighteen months. truedelphi Apr 2012 #21
Steinbeck said that when property is gathered in too few hands it is taken away. leeroysphitz Apr 2012 #33
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Occupy Wall Street is currently occupying the truedelphi Apr 2012 #111
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The minute we stopped being a country that created and made things BB_Troll Apr 2012 #78
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I once read a story about Calcutta, India. Cleita Apr 2012 #11
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my wife works with and for mentally and physicality challenged adults madrchsod Apr 2012 #12
reaganomics reached its full maturity. KG Apr 2012 #18
My son is a cook at a chain restaurant. He has been there since it openned. He has done southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #19
The middle class workers who built the American economy in the early 20th century baldguy Apr 2012 #20
There is another thing to consider: truedelphi Apr 2012 #23
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That's what I think too Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #30
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Don, the fruits and joys of living in a society in which most public policy is driven by a indepat Apr 2012 #31
no easy answers... handmade34 Apr 2012 #34
I was the kid of one of those "millionaire farmers" Coyote_Bandit Apr 2012 #35
There are many different opportunities to look around you and reach the same conclusion. Quantess Apr 2012 #36
We see it coming - financial issues, just like global warming, just like....but we can't think big NRaleighLiberal Apr 2012 #37
We are witnessing Disaster Capitalism at work ... Auggie Apr 2012 #38
In 1972 I started at the auto factory flipping hoods safeinOhio Apr 2012 #40
How do you know this is his only job? Maybe he works another job and this one trying to make as RB TexLa Apr 2012 #41
I can't help but wonder if the OP EmeraldCityGrl Apr 2012 #42
It's not difficult to imagine an economic system that works... hunter Apr 2012 #43
So according to you SATIRical Apr 2012 #84
Apparantly it works for you... hunter Apr 2012 #100
I'll wait for your answer SATIRical Apr 2012 #103
Yup, our systems were not designed to work based on high unemployment or shrinking wages. TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #44
The more I look around the more I think we're headed for an economic revolt in the not too distant future. Initech Apr 2012 #46
This is where, IMO, the Democrats need to focus. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #52
Can't he work in the new Toyota plant. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #57
We need the jobs back in the U.S., not in China. We need tariffs or something Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #61
We don't even value the jobs we do have Major Nikon Apr 2012 #64
The reason why the auto industry jobs paid well and had good benefits was because of unions Major Nikon Apr 2012 #63
Yup. In France, servers in restaurants earn "upper middle class" incomes. TahitiNut Apr 2012 #90
This is the direction the US needs to go Major Nikon Apr 2012 #92
I agree. In Spain, where I lived for many years, waiters are paid a living wage Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #97
Exactly! Phlem Apr 2012 #65
Not all farmers are bad, but DonCoquixote Apr 2012 #66
Shithead attitude is everywhere Kennah Apr 2012 #68
Capitalism has failed. libtodeath Apr 2012 #79
To restore the manufacturing base The Wizard Apr 2012 #80
About to happen? it's been happening for 30 years. Javaman Apr 2012 #81
We need more alignment between schooling and today's jobs KurtNYC Apr 2012 #82
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All those I know from my graduating class who decided abelenkpe Apr 2012 #87
A nickel? davidthegnome Apr 2012 #83
? marshall gaines Apr 2012 #85
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............ Marrah_G Apr 2012 #101
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41 years old and living the American dream!!!!!!! Marrah_G Apr 2012 #102
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Thanks Don, 99Forever Apr 2012 #114
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