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Cleita

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25. Because you phrase those memes exactly like they do. It makes me think that this is where
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 03:02 PM
Apr 2012

you are getting your information.

Here is what the SS link you provided also has to say:

Social Security expenditures exceeded the program’s non-interest income in 2010 for the first time since 1983. The $49 billion deficit last year (excluding interest income) and $46 billion projected deficit in 2011 are in large part due to the weakened economy and to downward income adjustments that correct for excess payroll tax revenue credited to the trust funds in earlier years. This deficit is expected to shrink to about $20 billion for years 2012-2014 as the economy strengthens. After 2014, cash deficits are expected to grow rapidly as the number of beneficiaries continues to grow at a substantially faster rate than the number of covered workers. Through 2022, the annual cash deficits will be made up by redeeming trust fund assets from the General Fund of the Treasury. Because these redemptions will be less than interest earnings, trust fund balances will continue to grow. After 2022, trust fund assets will be redeemed in amounts that exceed interest earnings until trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2036, one year earlier than was projected last year. Thereafter, tax income would be sufficient to pay only about three-quarters of scheduled benefits through 2085.


The payroll tax holiday has something to do with this because the funding needed is chopped off. There is a remedy for this. Raise the cap on those with higher salaries. Also this is what one of the trustees Charles Blahous has to say the effect of the PR tax holiday, which seems to be the problem:

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/07/143241709/how-payroll-tax-cut-affects-social-securitys-future

Charles Blahous, whom Obama appointed last year to be one of the six trustees of Social Security and Medicare, thinks it's a far greater danger than most people anticipate. He too says the payroll tax break might be harming Social Security's long-term solvency.

"I mean, I'm a Republican and I'm a conservative, and if you were to ask me at a first approximation, do I want lower taxes or higher taxes, then obviously I want lower taxes," Blahous says. "The problem here is that I'm also a public Social Security trustee, and so I'm honor-bound to identify when this causes a change or a difficulty for the Social Security program, which it does."

That's because Social Security has long been considered self-financing and thus politically immune from budget cuts. But that could change, Blahous says, now that employees are no longer paying their full share into Social Security because of the payroll tax holiday.

"This could be the beginning of the end of the idea that this is an earned benefit, [and] where benefits enjoy a certain amount of political protection because of a notion that they have been paid for in the past by the beneficiaries," he says.

There's anxiety among Democrats as well about the prospect of prolonging the payroll tax cut. Nancy Altman, co-director of Social Security Works, a Washington-based advocacy group, says she's been alarmed to see a Democratic administration dipping into Social Security's revenue stream to stimulate the economy.

"Democrats were the ones that created Social Security and the ones that were the strongest champions over its 76 years," Altman says. "So to have a Democratic president proposing to undo the dedicated revenue ... it's a fundamental change that supporters of the program, I think, should oppose."

Altman worries the payroll tax cut has become so popular it will be hard to end it, and that's one reason why she opposed it in the first place.

"Many of us at the time said that it's no way this is just going to last one year. And sure enough, we're back now talking about expanding it," she says.

Some lawmakers do say the tax break is worrisome, including Rhode Island Democratic Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse.

"I think one more year should be about the limit," Whitehouse says, "because of the nature of Social Security."

A program that, until now, has always paid its way


So you can see if the tinkering with the program is stopped and the cap raised, it will be fine. I'm confident that we will take back Congress in November and get rid of all the right wing Tea Party crap that is undermining our system and our safety nets.
Perhaps a gratuity should be added to the bill. Cleita Apr 2012 #1
I don't believe tips will make up for the disparity Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #4
No, but they sure would help. Cleita Apr 2012 #5
Still a pittance Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #14
What are you basing the 120% on, his salary? Cleita Apr 2012 #17
Not sure what your point is Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #22
Yes, but the 20% gratuity comes from the receipts, not the wages he earns Cleita Apr 2012 #26
Sorry for missing the point about restaurant receipts Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #48
It's not really anything to do with meals. it's to do with the assumption of tips. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #70
Those laws should be struck down. Apparently, they have become worse since I did restaurant p/r. Cleita Apr 2012 #107
regarding docking for meals. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #76
Which ONLY makes sense if all his tables' tabs total $7.25 every hour dmallind Apr 2012 #45
You're right Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #47
The real problem is the attitude of the millionaire farmers...who probably aren't growing a damn nanabugg Apr 2012 #69
Let me tell you about farmers. Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2012 #96
Some states DO require restaurants to pay minimum wage, but Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #56
True and California is one of them. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #77
The difference is between $8 an hour and $20 an hour, for a good manufacturing job. pnwmom Apr 2012 #24
I didn't say that but it's still better than getting a nickel. Cleita Apr 2012 #27
depends on the manufacturing job hfojvt Apr 2012 #15
All the good manufacturing jobs that paid well were union jobs. Cleita Apr 2012 #28
That is not true. bvar22 Apr 2012 #109
You are very right. However, it was because of the union competition that Cleita Apr 2012 #110
Sadly, these days even manufacturing jobs usually pay crap wages dotymed Apr 2012 #32
a server's salary Maine-ah Apr 2012 #54
I confess to being clueless about what servers earn Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #58
that`s why my wife leaves cash if at all possible madrchsod Apr 2012 #16
Or we should just let the minimum wage be the minimum wage quakerboy Apr 2012 #49
My point of view is that since the IRS taxes tips TransitJohn Apr 2012 #50
I would agree with that quakerboy Apr 2012 #53
I'd rather take tips than minimum wage. Maine-ah Apr 2012 #55
This is where the thinking is wrong. Cleita Apr 2012 #60
Yes that is still the law but not quite as you say. unapatriciated Apr 2012 #75
Social Security and Medicare are in deep trouble. former9thward Apr 2012 #2
Because they are. Cleita Apr 2012 #7
Despite your well known and feeble attempts to slander posters by using terms former9thward Apr 2012 #13
Because you phrase those memes exactly like they do. It makes me think that this is where Cleita Apr 2012 #25
Sorry, but not all of us have the confidence you have. The Trustees Report also says... sad sally Apr 2012 #39
It's not broken yet, unless you allow them to break it. Cleita Apr 2012 #59
I think there'll be a civil war before the right-wing breaks and gives in, in the grand scheme. Selatius Apr 2012 #71
Are you aware that the projections change every year? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #72
"Legislative modifications" = rate increase, as has been done many times in the past. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #74
They were in trouble the MOMENT our manufacturing went offshore. nt Pholus Apr 2012 #62
No one who actually delves into the history and the numbers for themself can actually believe that. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #73
without a middle class wendylaroux Apr 2012 #3
Oh it's good for some things Hawkowl Apr 2012 #6
I have said that same thing for over eighteen months. truedelphi Apr 2012 #21
Steinbeck said that when property is gathered in too few hands it is taken away. leeroysphitz Apr 2012 #33
I don't know if that can happen quite that way anymore. quakerboy Apr 2012 #51
Occupy Wall Street is currently occupying the truedelphi Apr 2012 #111
It's amazing to me that people ever fell for LuvNewcastle Apr 2012 #8
The minute we stopped being a country that created and made things BB_Troll Apr 2012 #78
Everyone sees that the employment figures as getting better, but that's not the whole story. Arkansas Granny Apr 2012 #9
I once read a story about Calcutta, India. Cleita Apr 2012 #11
Yes, Madame DeFarge is certainly knitting. Denninmi Apr 2012 #10
my wife works with and for mentally and physicality challenged adults madrchsod Apr 2012 #12
reaganomics reached its full maturity. KG Apr 2012 #18
My son is a cook at a chain restaurant. He has been there since it openned. He has done southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #19
The middle class workers who built the American economy in the early 20th century baldguy Apr 2012 #20
There is another thing to consider: truedelphi Apr 2012 #23
And you know what the bestest thing of all of that is? Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #29
That's what I think too Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #30
The solution is VOTE A STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC BALLOT IN NOVEMBER. xtraxritical Apr 2012 #67
Don, the fruits and joys of living in a society in which most public policy is driven by a indepat Apr 2012 #31
no easy answers... handmade34 Apr 2012 #34
I was the kid of one of those "millionaire farmers" Coyote_Bandit Apr 2012 #35
There are many different opportunities to look around you and reach the same conclusion. Quantess Apr 2012 #36
We see it coming - financial issues, just like global warming, just like....but we can't think big NRaleighLiberal Apr 2012 #37
We are witnessing Disaster Capitalism at work ... Auggie Apr 2012 #38
In 1972 I started at the auto factory flipping hoods safeinOhio Apr 2012 #40
How do you know this is his only job? Maybe he works another job and this one trying to make as RB TexLa Apr 2012 #41
I can't help but wonder if the OP EmeraldCityGrl Apr 2012 #42
It's not difficult to imagine an economic system that works... hunter Apr 2012 #43
So according to you SATIRical Apr 2012 #84
Apparantly it works for you... hunter Apr 2012 #100
I'll wait for your answer SATIRical Apr 2012 #103
Yup, our systems were not designed to work based on high unemployment or shrinking wages. TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #44
The more I look around the more I think we're headed for an economic revolt in the not too distant future. Initech Apr 2012 #46
This is where, IMO, the Democrats need to focus. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #52
Can't he work in the new Toyota plant. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #57
We need the jobs back in the U.S., not in China. We need tariffs or something Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #61
We don't even value the jobs we do have Major Nikon Apr 2012 #64
The reason why the auto industry jobs paid well and had good benefits was because of unions Major Nikon Apr 2012 #63
Yup. In France, servers in restaurants earn "upper middle class" incomes. TahitiNut Apr 2012 #90
This is the direction the US needs to go Major Nikon Apr 2012 #92
I agree. In Spain, where I lived for many years, waiters are paid a living wage Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #97
Exactly! Phlem Apr 2012 #65
Not all farmers are bad, but DonCoquixote Apr 2012 #66
Shithead attitude is everywhere Kennah Apr 2012 #68
Capitalism has failed. libtodeath Apr 2012 #79
To restore the manufacturing base The Wizard Apr 2012 #80
About to happen? it's been happening for 30 years. Javaman Apr 2012 #81
We need more alignment between schooling and today's jobs KurtNYC Apr 2012 #82
Cue the "post-secondary schooling should be about SATIRical Apr 2012 #86
All those I know from my graduating class who decided abelenkpe Apr 2012 #87
A nickel? davidthegnome Apr 2012 #83
? marshall gaines Apr 2012 #85
What is "loading hoods at an auto plant" FarCenter Apr 2012 #88
Pretty much the same way these workers are loading floor pans at 3:00 minutes into this video NNN0LHI Apr 2012 #89
Good jobs come and go... DaveJ Apr 2012 #91
............ Marrah_G Apr 2012 #101
Sorry you disagree, but without further input or discussion, it is hard to DaveJ Apr 2012 #105
Most people serving coffee aren't doing so because they are lazy Marrah_G Apr 2012 #108
The thing I think you may not be realizing is that for many of us who truedelphi Apr 2012 #115
Welcome to the world Glaisne Apr 2012 #93
Someone needs ProSense Apr 2012 #94
a general strike? barbtries Apr 2012 #95
It IS happening, chervilant Apr 2012 #98
K&R raouldukelives Apr 2012 #99
41 years old and living the American dream!!!!!!! Marrah_G Apr 2012 #102
My hat is off to you as truedelphi Apr 2012 #112
I do love the Occupiers Marrah_G Apr 2012 #113
I think the 1% running this country will get rid of the Social Security and then those working these midnight Apr 2012 #104
"Millionare farmers" that probably sit around complaining about Obama all day. louis-t Apr 2012 #106
Thanks Don, 99Forever Apr 2012 #114
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