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11. Certainly, KoKo! I saved the OP before I posted. Here's another good quote from Kos thread:

Fri May 30, 2014, 11:34 AM

May 2014

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My browser seems to die on me before I can post, so I saved the OP.

This one is especially important, I think. From the Daily Kos thread:

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"Unbreakable rule: Don't criticize other insiders"

As Elizabeth Warren writes in her book:

Late in the evening, Larry leaned back in his chair and
offered me some advice. I had a choice. I could be an
insider or I could be an outsider. Outsiders can say
whatever they want. But people on the inside don't
listen to them. Insiders, however, get lots of access. …
But insiders also understand one unbreakable rule:
They don't criticize other insiders.

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List Of Americans Who Have Been Individually Spied On Will Soon Be Released "biggest disclosure yet" [View all] Leopolds Ghost May 2014 OP

Now that will be an interesting list. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #1

I think you're right brush May 2014 #30

I don't think it will come about Aerows Jun 2014 #130

Maybe . . . brush Jun 2014 #139

I think there will be a lot of alsame May 2014 #2

By the way, for anyone reading this thread, The Bottom Two Video Links are the most important thing. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #24

"The number of Youtube comments seems to have leveled off at 1,337 for some reason... just saying." bananas May 2014 #70

That was pretty damn funny Aerows Jun 2014 #128

Why the suspense, release it already seveneyes May 2014 #3

Because it's a 'fireworks show'! randome May 2014 #4

Fireworks shows Aerows May 2014 #32

He/She who laughs loudest is usually in denial. randome May 2014 #57

I know we are being spied on, and the President himself has admitted it. So either you believe him sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #103

The only thing President Obama said about spying on Americans... randome Jun 2014 #110

Amazing irony here-- Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #126

It is rather hilarious Aerows Jun 2014 #131

I'm not laughing at anyone. randome Jun 2014 #133

It's okay to laugh Aerows Jun 2014 #149

BINGO. Rex Jun 2014 #138

We shall soon know for sure. Hopefully you are right, but who knows? JDPriestly Jun 2014 #136

LOL! Like you know anything about the NSA! Rex Jun 2014 #137

Let's not offend our "expert" on all things NSA Aerows Jun 2014 #150

I told this story to a prominent whistleblower-type and... Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #6

No $$$$ in not promoting the show. eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #27

No attention to the story Aerows May 2014 #33

Maybe; but as I mentioned ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #37

I think you will get it :) Aerows May 2014 #38

Has that claim ever been made? 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #46

Look at the reply above you Aerows May 2014 #64

Which reply ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #112

You. Aerows Jun 2014 #119

And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #121

Well, if you assume everyone in those three hops are guilty Aerows Jun 2014 #123

It seems you are conflating several different programs ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #135

I don't have any confusion Aerows Jun 2014 #151

How is something determined to be unconstitutional? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #158

SCOTUS has made a LOT of rulings, we just don't like. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #159

This is true ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #161

How would folks here feel if the courts overturned Roe v. Wade? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #167

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #169

So if an American is on our soil but has been in contact with terrorist groups... randome May 2014 #58

That's the Bingo question that no GG fanclub member will TOUCH. n/t Whisp May 2014 #66

Warrant, duh :P Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #75

Start throwing out the need for warrants Aerows May 2014 #85

Agreed. But there is no evidence the NSA monitors American suspects without a warrant. randome May 2014 #88

The problem is, they use blanket warrants. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #90

"They use blanket warrants". You are -again- talking about the phone metadata records. randome May 2014 #92

Per Gellman, who broke the story for Snowden at Wash. Post, there are 4 programs: 2 meta 2 content Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #98

PRISM is not a bulk collection program. randome Jun 2014 #115

Besides which, you are asserting that metadata is 4th-amendment proof just because of current court Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #99

If you think the NSA disregards all privacy concerns of American citizens... randome Jun 2014 #118

And also asserting what PRISM is and is not Aerows Jun 2014 #125

Indeed. A "warrant" that affects Aerows May 2014 #97

I know that you and I are on different sides of this Aerows May 2014 #95

And thank you for your own civil reply! randome Jun 2014 #116

Spoiler Alert: No need to wait, Aerows--I have an advance copy Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #132

When there is so much bullshit that you can barely move for stepping in it Aerows Jun 2014 #134

Every headline, even on the inside pages, will produce a few more book sales. MADem May 2014 #52

I agree Andy823 May 2014 #54

Ha ha ha! Fair point, that!!!! MADem May 2014 #56

Ha! Great point, Andy. Why a list, isn't EVERYONE already surveilled? Whisp May 2014 #67

I think this is a list of everyone who has been singled out under a secret court order. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #76

... but since the NSA are apparently very careful to follow the FISA law (it's a rubber stamp court) Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #77

I suspect part of the reason for spreading it out is denying the government the opportunity... Gravitycollapse May 2014 #86

I agree with you 100%. This is not about revealing the truth to the public. randome May 2014 #91

You don't agree with me at all, actually. The government image needed to be harmed. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #93

If Snowden would have done a dump Aerows Jun 2014 #120

It's nice.. sendero May 2014 #94

Be funnier to see the reaction of some of the Anti-Snowden crowd finding out they are being watched. Katashi_itto May 2014 #5

Should we be perversely proud of it? Who's the most watched person on DU? Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #12

All very true observations Sir Katashi_itto May 2014 #13

Indeed :) Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #14

Some people seem to have some really big egos... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #26

You certainly would know. Katashi_itto May 2014 #35

at least I don't think what I am doing on DU is of concern to the govt.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #42

Lol! Katashi_itto May 2014 #45

Priceless in what way.....please enlighten me... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #47

I already did. Katashi_itto May 2014 #72

No actually you didn't but please do....I am waiting for your response VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #79

Don't, I addressed your subject elsewhere. Katashi_itto May 2014 #82

Yeah I figured you couldn't... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #83

You go ahead and do that. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #104

oh please elaborate ....please provide proof of this silly VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #109

Lol! Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #111

because you got nada! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #113

You keep believing that. Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #114

don't have to.....I KNOW it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #122

True, every authoritarian state has enablers Katashi_itto Jun 2014 #124

So which states are not Authoritarian? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #140

Yes and they all have their Anarchists who don't believe in govt at all... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #141

I am just being humorous. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #49

Exactly. Andy823 May 2014 #55

Same here Tsiyu May 2014 #73

I thought it was established that the NSA spies on everyone? Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #78

Exactly Aerows May 2014 #34

Agree! Katashi_itto May 2014 #36

Who said the NSA cannot spy on Americans? Of course they can, with msanthrope May 2014 #39

It's easy to argue for or against anything Aerows May 2014 #41

As if FISA doesn't exist! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #48

I'm against it. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #50

FISA is not an Obama policy.......that started years ago.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #61

No, you're not. Without FISA, warrantless wiretapping would be legal. stevenleser May 2014 #96

I just posted above (#99) about people apparently think warrantless wiretapping is constitutional Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #100

I've covered this extensively and supplied all the relevant appellate decisions. It's not opinion. stevenleser Jun 2014 #101

What you mean is that it's the opinion of the COURT system that Americans have no inherent 4th prot Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #106

The court is one third of the power treestar Jun 2014 #142

No. And FISA was a reaction to the very quote you are talking about. stevenleser Jun 2014 #143

The 2nd Amendment DOES only apply to militias... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #148

No one has forgotten that the pretense of any semblance of oversight is a secret Star Chamber TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #147

It's not supposed to stop surveillance. It's supposed to be a near rubber stamp. stevenleser Jun 2014 #154

Nonsense. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #155

I have presented applicable appellate law to you and you have no counter for it. stevenleser Jun 2014 #163

You are using court cases to justify tyranny. The courts once held that slavery was ok Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #164

I am "doing" nothing. There is no tyranny. No one is being beaten or killed or denied agency. stevenleser Jun 2014 #175

Universal surveillance is a form of tyranny. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #176

First of all, you just made that up. Second there is no universal surveillance. stevenleser Jun 2014 #177

I have a feeling you are going to be very disappointed... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #43

Wrong thread. eom MohRokTah May 2014 #7

Your reply has been seen, and noted. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #8

My apologies, I thought I was directly responding to this thread: MohRokTah May 2014 #10

Thanks for all the work you did on this post.... KoKo May 2014 #9

Certainly, KoKo! I saved the OP before I posted. Here's another good quote from Kos thread: Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #11

I've downloaded her book...on Chapter 1...so far it's a great read.....! KoKo May 2014 #16

Kicked, recommended and bookmarked. Uncle Joe May 2014 #15

What we'll hear from the defenders: neverforget May 2014 #17

My bet Egnever May 2014 #18

I second that sentiment....and some DU'ers are going to be so disappointed THEY are not on the list! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #28

My only questions are ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #29

anyone here thinks their name will be on the list? Duppers May 2014 #19

Um... Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #23

"side in the culture wars." 'Bout sums it up... Eleanors38 May 2014 #25

What a lot of blue links treestar May 2014 #20

I was going for an All-Blue Post. Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #53

Great thread, great resources. Thank you! Squinch May 2014 #21

if the members of the top 400 families were on the list, we have a new law by next week. nt Leme May 2014 #22

"...a President who's been--from the get-go--all over this process to insure it IS gutted." villager May 2014 #31

If I was a small fish Aerows May 2014 #40

The Fish Octafish May 2014 #51

Something fishy about your post. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #146

Great post, Leopolds Ghost! Octafish May 2014 #44

Amen! Aerows Jun 2014 #127

Does anybody have an exact time? mudy waters May 2014 #59

Yeah. "Soon." randome May 2014 #60

So you don't have answer mudy waters May 2014 #63

Greenwald has no answer. He's probably trying to think up distinctive names right now. randome May 2014 #89

More crap, a different story, who thinks the NSA ic continuing these same programs? Thinkingabout May 2014 #62

I had the utmost respect for Ann Richards Aerows May 2014 #68

;) Luminous Animal May 2014 #71

He passed the background because he had help from at least one person inside the contractor underthematrix Jun 2014 #152

I have thought for some time he had the backing of some one or group. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #153

Yes, it's called the CIA. He *taught* at the Defense Intelligence School in DC Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #156

What about the classes he attended in India? Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #157

Unfamiliar with those Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #160

He is being used by many other countries, he is a patsy, don't know who the Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #162

An anti-Snowden conspiracy theory? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #165

He just keeps on giving, now it is not about revealing anything, he is not a patriot of the US Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #166

From what I understand, he doesn't have the info anymore... Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #168

His first problem was stealing files in the first place. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #170

The law is the law, right? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #171

Yep, especially when affects every citizen in the US. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #173

Well then why isn't the Administration prosecuting Bush Admin wrong-doers for NSA abuse? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #179

To be fair to Holder, yes there is a tradition of selective prosecution in the interests of justice Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #180

It does not matter what the status on others committing crimes, when and if Snowden goes Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #182

What Snowden did is only a crime if you believe what the NSA did is NOT a crime. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #183

Good, now this is settled, the procedure the NSA is following and has been following since 2008 Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #185

No, what's settled is that you and stevenleser support the FISA "reform" act that legalized Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #188

What does corporate criminalshave to do with Snowden committing the crimes he committed? Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #189

No, I'm saying the courts said that if Verizon et al were turning over records as Drake said, Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #191

Is the present administration responsible for investigating the wrongs done in the Bush Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #181

*puts palms to forehead* Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #184

this dog dont hunt Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #186

*sigh* Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #190

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth May 2014 #65

If the list is authetic and complete.. DCBob May 2014 #69

OK, this brings up an interesting point Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #74

I can release a list of names. Pull the white pages into an editor and pick them randomly stevenleser Jun 2014 #102

There are two points at issue here, it seems: Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #108

No. Greenwald listing names doesnt mean anything without more info. stevenleser Jun 2014 #144

what does "Soon" mean ? JI7 May 2014 #80

It's Happening... Leopolds Ghost May 2014 #87

I think I heard Greenwald tell Colbert or somebody during his book tour that it would be August. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #105

Why? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #107

Good Points... I had read July...but maybe pushed back for the vetting. n/t KoKo Jun 2014 #187

Thank You For Sharing - Thank You Snowden - Thank You Greenwald cantbeserious May 2014 #81

I can just imagine the outrage from congress and the senate as all their names are listed. L0oniX May 2014 #84

And to save face Aerows Jun 2014 #117

I'm kinda nervous-- Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #129

So much surveillance... Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #145

Yeh, I'd be crushed...totally humiliated. Zorra Jun 2014 #172

If my luck holds Leopolds Ghost Jun 2014 #178

This is an outstanding post. woo me with science Jun 2014 #174