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In reply to the discussion: To those who'd say a bigger U.S. war budget would have stopped Putin...this sobering fact: [View all]AcertainLiz
(863 posts)18. Well actually I do think we need a draft
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Though not entirely for this reason. And yes, I do think we need to expand in Europe to properly defend it (this doesn't mean expanding funding, this just means reorienting our military). There was a thread about it on here not too long ago. The military isn't the problem, it's what it's used for.
Also the military itself needs radical restructuring beyond budget cuts.
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To those who'd say a bigger U.S. war budget would have stopped Putin...this sobering fact: [View all]
Ken Burch
Apr 2014
OP
I actually think we do need to focus our military in Europe and need more troops
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#1
Europe will never be "up to snuff" as long as naive Americans like you would foot their bills.
Lasher
Apr 2014
#76
That is on them. We are not their parents or whatever strange relationship you think is in play here
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#206
I'll only accept a posting I believe is right, yeah. So no combat roles for me.
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#163
Who cares about society? We should all be in the military so we can all kill together...
L0oniX
Apr 2014
#105
So when is Europe going to chip in and help us all pay for our massive military?
L0oniX
Apr 2014
#106
Another one to add to the government list of people who disagree with the fearless leaders.
L0oniX
Apr 2014
#114
No one is going to attack us because we have a military that can repel them.
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#196
"is little short of absurd. " It would be absurd if I made that argument :P
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#141
Actually, that is (sort of) what the Founders of the Constitution envisioned:
Maedhros
Apr 2014
#131
In the absence of the buildup of a massive Federal army during the Civil War,
Maedhros
Apr 2014
#153
I just assumed it would mean a more chaotic and less efficient and productive US?
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#172
I was under the impression Europe is in a depression right now. I wouldn't call that stability.
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#190
Yeah I would say the political situation in Europe and the US is very unstable
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#201
NATO member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party.
Lasher
Apr 2014
#47
Not exactly, it is a mutual defense treaty. We don't have primary responsibility so if allies cannot
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#65
They can if they want to, they choose not to and I don't blame them but I'm not
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#84
Well, then you want us to leave NATO and leave all our security deals with Europe
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#96
No, I'm saying they have obligations to their own security and we are not Daddy Warbucks
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#120
What treaty obligation are you saying we are not in compliance with now?
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#202
It starts with a "N" and ends with an "O" is a hint not a direct answer. Are you (foolishly
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#212
You're either naive or working. I have friends in the UK, Poland, Germany and Italy.
L0oniX
Apr 2014
#111
the problem is the insane idea that our military should be anywhere other then US soil.
bowens43
Apr 2014
#135
Exactly, I'm tired of everyone seeing the US as the bad guy in every situation.
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#35
Well, do tell that to the European countries that keep cutting their defense budgets
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#36
"So either we help them or throw them to the wolves." pffft Dependent on us are they? Fuck that!
L0oniX
Apr 2014
#53
Why is it "our job" to "defend Europe" (from whom)? This sounds like a Cold War-era fantasy
anneboleyn
Apr 2014
#72
Yes, There Are Paid Government Trolls On Social Media, Blogs, Forums And Websites
L0oniX
Apr 2014
#186
Enjoy the military psych. Must be nice to be so wise that you don't need the wisdom of others.
L0oniX
Apr 2014
#101
That's easy, just show we can and will defend Europe and not tolerate their behavior.
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#149
Try selling the idea that Europe must defend itself to a crowd of Europeans, that should be
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#191
Oh I agree, at present European conventional forces desperately need our support.
thucythucy
Apr 2014
#194
Again, try selling the idea to Europeans, I think it would be an interesting discussion.
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#198
You don't describe allies but rather dependents. Allies would come to our aid in need.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#210
I didn't say it was, I said that the NATO treaty is not an economic suicide pact
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#214
We don't need to radically expand the US military budget, obviously the opposite
AcertainLiz
Apr 2014
#23
Not to encourage more military spending, which would be a waste in my opinion, but...
JVS
Apr 2014
#25
It's only a 'sobering fact' to those who aren't already drunk with tearing down anything Obama does.
randome
Apr 2014
#26
LOL so true.. we spend more than everyone else combined... the fuck is spending more going to
dionysus
Apr 2014
#33
We have the most expensive military in the world....but we keep losing wars.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2014
#46