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Alcibiades

(5,061 posts)
18. Students of judicial politics
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:33 PM
Mar 2012

should pay little attention to what judges say and more attention to what they do. There are always legal arguments and precedent on both sides of an issue: moreover, it is possible to constuct an argument that appears consistent with almost any given "judicial philosophy" on either side of an issue.

Any vestige of faith that I ever might have entertained that the court gave a rat's ass about stare decisis, the constitution, its own institutional integrity or the public's opinion of it ended with Bush v. Gore. Those five revealed themselves to be purely partisan when the stakes are high enough, and three of them are still sitting. If they are embarassed enough by their own decision, they can simply declare whatever post hoc rationalization they tack onto the foregone partisan conclusion they issue "nonprecedential."

The conservative movement is today, and has been since the Reagan era, in lockstep, from K-Street to Congress to the SCOTUS. They are all reading off the same daily talking points. Since both possible nominees have declared that the PPACA is unconstitutional, it seems unlikely that they would undermine them in this way before the election.

I'd love it if the very smart people in the Obama administration are right and that there's no basis to declare the PPACA unconstitutional, but these are the same folks who failed to make sure that there was a severability clause in the final product, so there's no reason for optimism on that score. To me, the notion that Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito care about ideas or principles more than their favored partisan outcome seems quaint. I don't have any money on it, but it seems to me that the real question is whether they strike down the whole thing or simply the mandate, but it should go without saying that they will find a way to enable Mitt Romney to point to the PPACA as an example of unconstitutional caesarism on the part of Obama this fall.

Actually, ProSense Mar 2012 #1
Thanks, Pro. elleng Mar 2012 #3
That is just wishful thinking and everyone here is clutching to it as fact joeglow3 Mar 2012 #29
It is the studied opinion of 2 experts, elleng Mar 2012 #30
I hope you're right Alcibiades Mar 2012 #4
Try understanding how they approach making decisions, elleng Mar 2012 #2
I understand quite well Alcibiades Mar 2012 #5
I'm an attorney, elleng Mar 2012 #7
Students of judicial politics Alcibiades Mar 2012 #18
Who are the 6 votes to uphold? Owlet Mar 2012 #6
Breyer, Ginsburg, Kagan, Sotomayor, Kennedy, Scalia. elleng Mar 2012 #8
I think you're right jehop61 Mar 2012 #9
And he upheld an important principle here, elleng Mar 2012 #10
I'm certainy no constitutional scholar Owlet Mar 2012 #11
Underlying assumption doesn't work, elleng Mar 2012 #12
Wouldn't Roberts be likely to side with the majority to protect "his"court from claims of excessive Rowdyboy Mar 2012 #13
Possible; was listing mandatory and likely minimum. elleng Mar 2012 #14
So, after hearing the oral arguments Alcibiades Mar 2012 #22
'AFTER hearing the oral arguments?' elleng Mar 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Alcibiades Mar 2012 #24
The oral arguments on the individual mandate Alcibiades Mar 2012 #25
Yes, and it takes a while to listen to them, doesn't it? elleng Mar 2012 #26
Here's an exerpt: Alcibiades Mar 2012 #28
It was written by the insurance companies and intended to fail. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #15
The mandate was a planned bonanza for the one percent, woo me with science Mar 2012 #16
Why would they strike it down when it saved Big Insurance who were about to go bankrupt? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #17
Because Rmoney says it's unconstitutional Alcibiades Mar 2012 #19
I disagree. It's laughable for Romney to trash a bill that is so similar to the one he sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #20
What they want is for the Republicans to win Alcibiades Mar 2012 #21
Medicare For All kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #27
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