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(15,558 posts) Tue Mar 11, 2014, 07:24 PM Mar 2014

Water carrying apologists for the NSA/CIA are enemies of democracy [View all]

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Water carrying apologists for the NSA/CIA are enemies of democracy [View all] whatchamacallit Mar 2014 OP

In before the pole n/t mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #1

Damnit Aerows Mar 2014 #32

Were your boxes mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #47

I think they Aerows Mar 2014 #52

I think they might respond that Democracy is overrated. They feel security is more important rhett o rick Mar 2014 #2

That's the Big Debate.... "Feeling Scure" vs. living a Free Country fascisthunter Mar 2014 #3

That was the excuse we heard during the Bush administration AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #91

You're kidding, right? babylonsister Mar 2014 #4

Not kidding at all whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #7

Oh, not. It's groupthink and anyone who disagrees with the holier than Cha Mar 2014 #8

Not as creepy as the creeps who support spying on American citizens whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #9

Straw Men R Us. ProSense Mar 2014 #20

Eddie's last fuck up really got to you guys... Whisp Mar 2014 #85

Lol!! Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #145

You should feel bad for those who have been exposed violation the Constitutional rights of the sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #79

YAY, I've reached Ignore Status with the one who always Announces it like Cha Mar 2014 #160

Can't I get on that ignore too? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #170

I saw someone else Cha Mar 2014 #179

Funny that a host of the BOG would use "Groupthink" in a disparaging way. cui bono Mar 2014 #138

LOL !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #140

Wow its groupthink to like the Democratic President on a Democratic bulletin board... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #171

LOL that VERY thought occured to me and I would've said something laundry_queen Mar 2014 #164

because liking the Democratic President on the Democratic Underground is just VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author laundry_queen Mar 2014 #173

What do you think about the massive spying on the American people? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #177

It's the new thing: ProSense Mar 2014 #22

Ha, look who's talking whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #26

Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #29

You couldn't hit the broad side of a barn whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #30

He would be the hero of the day Aerows Mar 2014 #34

Who gives a shit when he did it whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #37

You misunderstand me Aerows Mar 2014 #39

Dig. Sorry. whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #42

No Problem Aerows Mar 2014 #53

"I don't give a rat's ass about the messengers" ProSense Mar 2014 #35

Hey "Pro" whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #41

Denial ProSense Mar 2014 #46

Not in the OP whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #48

Not only did you bring up Snowden, but also Greenwald and Assange. I mean ProSense Mar 2014 #51

So singleminded... whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #56

10 PRINT "Obama good" mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #50

Impressive. ProSense Mar 2014 #54

. mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #60

I resemble that remark! Vinnie From Indy Mar 2014 #71

I wonder if the blue link generator automatically randomly adds Jamastiene Mar 2014 #135

LOL! Whisp Mar 2014 #86

The shut down theatrics Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #92

You are so right. lumpy Mar 2014 #155

Or writing gossip columns about the individual rather than policy. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #88

Is there a discussion somewhere about the massive spying on the American people? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #178

Libertarian absolutism strikes again. Sounds very right wing to me. 'Love it leave it,' and the freshwest Mar 2014 #150

Bravo! Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #161

They're either intentionally adding misinformation, or scared. It's fairly easy to determine which. Scuba Mar 2014 #5

I'm getting some popcorn neverforget Mar 2014 #6

I'm uncomfortable with asserting this JoeyT Mar 2014 #10

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #110

Let's get em! n/t leeroysphitz Mar 2014 #11

Yeah, I'm pushing keys like mad! That oughta do it. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #158

Not me,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2014 #12

No privacy? blackspade Mar 2014 #13

I have said this from the beggining...the Internet has NEVER been private. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #36

sounds like you don't know what a party line was. Rumold Mar 2014 #61

No I do remember party line....I also remember that we could just listen to other people VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #62

and this is somehow like "the Internet" Rumold Mar 2014 #63

In that we are ALL using the same lines....there is nothing inherently private about it... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #64

what exactly is "inherently private" Rumold Mar 2014 #67

You don't really know how the Internet works do you? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #68

first of all , drop the party line Rumold Mar 2014 #69

"first of all" I don't have to drop anything... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #70

i find that hard to believe Rumold Mar 2014 #72

+1 U4ikLefty Mar 2014 #77

its not brain dead....its true... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #127

misunderstanding Rumold Mar 2014 #133

I used the proper acronym for a reason.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #137

and his thoughts on snowden Rumold Mar 2014 #139

this was not about Snowden and Tim Berners-Lee was it? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #149

no, it was about a brain-dead statement... Rumold Mar 2014 #159

what do you think "open" means? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #169

".... they haven't done anything to apologize for.... " Rumold Mar 2014 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #44

"whining" reddread Mar 2014 #45

You remind me of someone I used to know. sibelian Mar 2014 #81

Don't worry, it's just meta data. See, data is metaphyisical and NSA is like a spiritual guru pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #14

UGH, is this where Democracy is headed? Iliyah Mar 2014 #15

It's because this isn't about highways or budgets, 1awake Mar 2014 #94

Destroying democracy to save it. Mantra of rocket surgeons everywhere. GoneFishin Mar 2014 #16

Look, ProSense Mar 2014 #18

The Decider Rides Again. Like some gawdamn dictator. Cha Mar 2014 #43

I can see some who would answer this in the affirmative: freshwest Mar 2014 #154

LOL. eom 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #113

Hehehe . . . good one, ProSense. eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #153

Why do I hear this simplistic pronouncement Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #19

Schizophrenia? whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #21

No, I don't hallucinate Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #24

I think even Mz. Sarah, old "blood libel" herself would turn up her nose at this foolishness Number23 Mar 2014 #23

Well Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #25

Because it sounds like some dumbass thing she would sputter getting her Cha Mar 2014 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #80

lol Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #82

Too late ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #116

Dunno.. same reason I hear the opposite in the voice of Dick Chenney? nt 1awake Mar 2014 #95

The only "opposite" you're hearing Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #102

It is not a strawman 1awake Mar 2014 #103

Wut? Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #104

Can we be authoritarian hippies? That sounds like a good middle ground. randome Mar 2014 #106

I heard it in Joseph Mcarthy's voice ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #119

Remember the segments on O'Reilly and Hannity when they did the List of American Enemies? freshwest Mar 2014 #165

Ding. Ding. Ding. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #166

Oh, it'd get locked for whining about DU3, ya know! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #180

Who are the apologists for the NSA/CIA? Certainly not me. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #27

Water carrying apologists for the NSA/CIA are enemies of democracy..... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #28

Raising the minimum wage, getting more people into the ACA exchanges, PhilSays Mar 2014 #31

Seems like you are holding Obama responsible for the actions of those agencies whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #33

+1 sagat Mar 2014 #76

No... none are more important. nt 1awake Mar 2014 #96

Wake up, sheeple! BenzoDia Mar 2014 #38

This thread would be incomplete Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #93

I'm glad someone got it. hehe BenzoDia Mar 2014 #151

I see what you did there. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #152

+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #156

big K & R! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #49

Big Gov't-Loving Surveillance-Staters versus people who understand that without Privacy... nikto Mar 2014 #55

Countries with total control by authorities and spying on their own citizens...Iran..Korea.. Lint Head Mar 2014 #57

Have ANY acts of terror been prevented by NSA metadata spying? JEB Mar 2014 #58

Probably a couple acts of terror Aerows Mar 2014 #59

So, the full spectrum peeping tom-ism doesn't even do the job JEB Mar 2014 #65

Oh, I'm sure it does the job Aerows Mar 2014 #66

shit, they couldn't even prevent the Boston Marathon bombings.. frylock Mar 2014 #132

Well, since they're not allowed to spy on citizens... randome Mar 2014 #134

Shut the Occupy folks up, didn't it? durablend Mar 2014 #87

Occupy shut itself down. Or up. Or whatever. Snowden is doing the same. randome Mar 2014 #89

No. But even if it had, it's beside the point. woo me with science Mar 2014 #98

It is a hugely profitable industry that they want hidden behind the veil of secrecy jsr Mar 2014 #105

Couldn't agree more. JEB Mar 2014 #181

Only everything that Osama bin Laden was planning ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #129

Did you honestly need to start a new thread just for this? Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #73

As an objective observer, I must say... nikto Mar 2014 #74

Of course he did.. we need to know how holier than thou they are and their opinion Cha Mar 2014 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #78

But... that will only leave you with like.. 5 people left to read?? nt 1awake Mar 2014 #97

Does anyone else ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #120

Doesn't supporting authoritarians constitute being authoritarian? 1awake Mar 2014 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #147

Why do you think that anyone cares? I sincerely would like to know Number23 Mar 2014 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #144

So if you're the only one that cares that you put people on ignore, why announce it? Number23 Mar 2014 #157

Oh there's a whole lotta rude and snide Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #163

You really don't have much respect for fellow DUers, do you? randome Mar 2014 #83

I could respect someonone who didn't mind being spied upon Fumesucker Mar 2014 #108

So you equate storing copies of phone metadata as spying? randome Mar 2014 #115

Odd how Diane Feinstein didn't care about others being spied on.. Fumesucker Mar 2014 #118

I think Feinstein has a point. randome Mar 2014 #121

Of course you do, Feinstein is powerful so you see her point Fumesucker Mar 2014 #122

Oh, please. I have no love or hate for Feinstein. She's just another Congress-critter to me. randome Mar 2014 #125

K&R woo me with science Mar 2014 #84

Yes, they are. woo me with science Mar 2014 #90

Maybe your right... I don't really know. 1awake Mar 2014 #99

Speaking of water did you know toilets are connected to an invisible data-collection network? ucrdem Mar 2014 #100

That's what I like about this topic. Turbineguy Mar 2014 #101

Right. The torturers, murderers, snoopers, are just poor, misunderstood, patriots.. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #107

The torturers, murderers, Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #109

Apparently, it's Obama who doesn't want to have a "reasonable discussion" about torture, etc. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #111

Well the thing is its biting him in the ass Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #112

About time. "Looking forward" isn't working as a CYA tool. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #148

"I have here in my hand a list of enemies of democracy!" JoePhilly Mar 2014 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #182

Don't worry, the partisan zombies will oppose spying once a Rethug is president LittleBlue Mar 2014 #123

Yes they are!!! FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #126

Bingo! Rec'd. Corruption Inc Mar 2014 #128

Good grief.. DCBob Mar 2014 #130

I don't think that is a very helpful or upbuilding post functioning_cog Mar 2014 #131

It wasn't intended to be. randome Mar 2014 #136

So Pres.Obama is an enemy of democracy? JaneyVee Mar 2014 #141

Maybe, maybe not. But, the CIA/NSA that he oversees certainly are. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #174

Proudly kicked and Recced. Fuddnik Mar 2014 #143

"You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror" Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #146

Hmmm...judging by some of the replies in this thread Rex Mar 2014 #167

deja vu bobduca Mar 2014 #168

Anyone who tries to excuse what we have learned about them is complicit in the ongoing attempt to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #175