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Adrahil

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204. It's pretty simple....

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 08:44 AM

Mar 2014

.... voting for Nader, or not at all, because someone didn't like Lieberman gave Dubya and Darth Cheney. That administration is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded. Nader had no hope of winning, so voting for him was essentially a protest vote. Not voting at all was just plain dumb.

Would Gore/Liberman have been the perfect admin? No. I didn't vote for Gore in the primaries, and I sure as hell don't like Lieberman. Would they have been MILES better than Dubya and Darth? You bet.

Vote your conscience in the primaries, if you must (I personally consider electability in the generals in my calculations), but in the generals, almost any Dem is better than almost any Repug. And realistically, at the Presidential level, the winner is going to be a Democrat or Republican, at least for the foreseeable future.

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Are Progressives Ready for 'Political Revolution' with Bernie? [View all] xchrom Mar 2014 OP

k&r for Bernie Sanders. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #1

Bernie, run but when you run, run as a Democrat. Autumn Mar 2014 #2

Yes! Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #21

here, here. I am in. :D roguevalley Mar 2014 #184

Bring the Democrats back to the Left Phaedrus76 Mar 2014 #171

Thats is impossible ..The Democrat party as we knew it INdemo Mar 2014 #181

Just about everyone quoted thinks he should join the D Party first BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #3

If he runs as an independent, he's dead to me. That will just split the vote. NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #4

Sure, better that Bernie be killed by the Democratic Party Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #23

Wow, seriously?...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #32

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #45

... SidDithers Mar 2014 #46

See you next week! Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #50

What's the appeal of signing up and getting banned... SidDithers Mar 2014 #54

I dont' know what you think your promoting here Sheepshank Mar 2014 #39

I suggest you read the TOS Adrahil Mar 2014 #211

I would vote for him as a Dem or an Indy Marrah_G Mar 2014 #25

NO!! the democrats are dead because it would split the party in a Presidential ellection handing it bigdarryl Mar 2014 #60

Then Hillary should drop out demwing Mar 2014 #92

+1 harun Mar 2014 #146

This is the DEMOCRATIC underground... Adrahil Mar 2014 #152

So if Mitt Romney declares himself a Democrat, you'll support him? How about Icky Ricky? Scuba Mar 2014 #154

They would not win the primary passiveporcupine Mar 2014 #167

No, Romney has no credibility, Kilgore Mar 2014 #190

You can see how that works... Hoppy Mar 2014 #158

Yeah, that's not cool... Adrahil Mar 2014 #175

no, it's not, and you know it! RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #182

Yes it is, and YOU know it... Adrahil Mar 2014 #212

Yeah, BUT Party isn't ALL that matters. RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #219

Bernie appears to be daybranch Mar 2014 #173

I like Bernie... Adrahil Mar 2014 #176

So if Rand Paulie ran as an indy on the right RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #183

Yes. I reiterate, I work to elect DEMOCRATS Adrahil Mar 2014 #200

So let me get this right. RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #203

We could have had President Gore if it wasn't for Joe Lieberman. Scuba Mar 2014 #196

I sure the dead and wounded from the Iraq War appreciate you protecting them from Lieberman... Adrahil Mar 2014 #201

Even with the sarcasm thingy I have no clue what your post is meant to imply. Scuba Mar 2014 #202

It's pretty simple.... Adrahil Mar 2014 #204

I voted for Gore. My concern vis a vis Lieberman is not that people didn't vote Gore because .... Scuba Mar 2014 #205

Gore lost Florida by 537 votes. Nader got 1,635 votes. Adrahil Mar 2014 #207

And hundreds of thousands of Florida citizens didn't bother to vote. Don't you think .... Scuba Mar 2014 #208

ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS THREAD Adrahil Mar 2014 #210

Gee, I thought we were talking about the vote-generating capacity of progressives. My bad. Scuba Mar 2014 #213

No, YOU were talking that. I never mentioned it. But it's all good. BT Adrahil Mar 2014 #214

Nader did complicate things demwing Mar 2014 #199

Party before principle? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #189

Well... Adrahil Mar 2014 #206

i don't need ideologically oerfect. I'll settle for ideologically in the ball park Scootaloo Mar 2014 #221

+ 100% /nt demwing Mar 2014 #222

Plus another. Scuba Mar 2014 #153

Exactly. Over the last six years, the populace has already seen the truedelphi Mar 2014 #162

In 2008 Hillary Clinton got 17 million votes... brooklynite Mar 2014 #170

good one! daybranch Mar 2014 #172

This independent liberal would vote for Bernie in a heartbeat. LoisB Mar 2014 #143

Make that two independent liberals. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #150

I could name at least a hundred who would vote for Sanders RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #185

Run Dem, Bernie. You'll catch the Independents and all of us, too. toby jo Mar 2014 #5

Completely agree, ... aggiesal Mar 2014 #18

Yay! Lesser of two lessers! Don't change the system, just creep right within it. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #26

What? ... aggiesal Mar 2014 #33

I probably misread your post, but it seemed as I running as a D was a requirement for your vote. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #43

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #133

Substitute "Bernie Sanders" with "Ron Paul" and "Progressives" with "Libertarians" brooklynite Mar 2014 #6

Substitute "DU" for "Free Republic". Beacool Mar 2014 #73

Delusion? SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #124

But Obama is a mainstream, corporatist, Republican... brooklynite Mar 2014 #139

Wow... so you took a point about how SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #142

Gee, I thought Elections WERE policy fights... brooklynite Mar 2014 #145

No, what I did was comment on a comment to the OP SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #151

...and I'm saying it is. brooklynite Mar 2014 #156

Well yours certainly aren't relevant SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #157

Radical? Bernie's not a radical. Scuba Mar 2014 #155

thanks for a splash of realism erronis Mar 2014 #165

Be sentient? Sounds un-American! Scuba Mar 2014 #166

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #134

Of course progressives are MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #7

As a REGULAR Democrat rtracey Mar 2014 #8

Yes, joining the Democratic party would be his best chance MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #11

Exactly. The Third Way seems to be running things now. djean111 Mar 2014 #34

Never heard of "The Third Way" MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #38

http://www.thirdway.org/ WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #47

Thanks MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #63

No prob. Start with their ideas on "entitlements." WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #77

That's a turd, well polished demwing Mar 2014 #94

Sounds like the old Silent Majority/Moral Majority. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #140

Here ya go..... djean111 Mar 2014 #56

They've slimed their way on to this board... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #82

Yes, they have. djean111 Mar 2014 #93

Don't you mean RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #186

Nope MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #209

K&R ReRe Mar 2014 #9

Very true. An Independent Bernie campaign paves the way for Rand Paul in the White House groundloop Mar 2014 #13

Bernie Sanders is a wise man. ReRe Mar 2014 #76

Bernie can beat any R. His policy positions are popular. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #80

That is our dilemma in a couple paragraphs. rurallib Mar 2014 #22

You took the words right out of my mind. ;-) n/t ReRe Mar 2014 #81

But Sanders also knows who the real Party leadership is, and I doubt truedelphi Mar 2014 #163

The question strikes me as tired "thinking in the box" bread_and_roses Mar 2014 #10

I agree with you and you're correct. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #15

Good post and I agree, there is way too much focus on the WH race, taking the energy away from sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #16

I couldn't agree more. Andy823 Mar 2014 #37

I dont think I have ever disagreed with you, and I dont totally disagree now. But.... rhett o rick Mar 2014 #141

You're right, and not really disagreeing with me. I was thinking, and probably should have written sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #178

One of our biggest challenges is to get information to the public. If Sen Sanders runs rhett o rick Mar 2014 #187

Wish some one within the party iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #12

I think he should run as an independent LittleGirl Mar 2014 #14

say what, littlegirl? that makes no sense. cali Mar 2014 #17

I won't vote for Hillary LittleGirl Mar 2014 #36

We better figure out how we are going to get him enough money... L0oniX Mar 2014 #19

It would have to be a grassroots/internet/social media campaign... polichick Mar 2014 #116

He'll get our vote for sure. A vote for REAL change, not just lip service. nt NorthCarolina Mar 2014 #20

Run Bernie, Run Marrah_G Mar 2014 #24

Sure. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #27

Pretty much everybody here wants Bernie to join the Democratic Party first. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #28

I want him to join the party so he can be included in the debates Autumn Mar 2014 #29

As do I. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #41

Pretty sad when it could be difficult for a Democratic nominee to earn liberal votes Autumn Mar 2014 #44

I'd love to continue the dialog but Sid is dithering in censorship again Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #48

Perhaps another time. Autumn Mar 2014 #58

Admins have spoken pretty clearly about this troll... SidDithers Mar 2014 #66

The poster seems to know you very well Autumn Mar 2014 #67

He doesn't like being outed for the zombie troll that he is...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #69

No trolls do not like being outed. Nor do sock puppets . Autumn Mar 2014 #71

No. Socks don't like being exposed either...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #72

Yet socks are allowed. Autumn Mar 2014 #74

You would know better than I... SidDithers Mar 2014 #79

Perhaps you haven't encountered them. Autumn Mar 2014 #83

There's only one I know of... SidDithers Mar 2014 #91

The fact that you are willfully ignoring and naysaying voting strategy is telling. Sheepshank Mar 2014 #40

They would never make it into office. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #52

WHATEV...... clearly you are picketing for one course of action Sheepshank Mar 2014 #120

All the other Dem candidates will pander to the center-right rucky Mar 2014 #30

run as a Democrat, then if corporates beat him go independent yurbud Mar 2014 #31

I was ready YESTERDAY. K&R closeupready Mar 2014 #35

he has to run: Hillary will be the kind of candidate Republicans wish they had: yurbud Mar 2014 #42

Most hopeful thing I've heard in politics recently... polichick Mar 2014 #49

Yes. Put the US more in line with the rest of the world and stop this nonsense. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #51

Sign me up, and give me the campaign material. nt Zorra Mar 2014 #53

I was ready for "revolution" with Obama immediately post-Bush. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #55

That's why I said (above) that nobody is going to buy a "revolution" in... polichick Mar 2014 #59

My expectations were pretty realistic... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #88

I have a feeling there are a lot of us (older than millennials) who are over... polichick Mar 2014 #95

I think there are enough people hungry enough for a change, and a good progressive jtuck004 Mar 2014 #125

Sometimes people have to hit rock bottom... polichick Mar 2014 #129

I think the numbers are there, but are they beaten down so much that they won't leave their chairs? jtuck004 Mar 2014 #130

So true. Just spoke with one of the Millennials I worked with during... polichick Mar 2014 #131

I'm ready. bigwillq Mar 2014 #57

Only if he runs as a Democrat in the primaries, otherwise it will end like all third parties lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #61

I won't vote for anyone other than a Democrat nt hack89 Mar 2014 #62

What if he stands to win with a wide majority? grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #87

That is a huge what if. hack89 Mar 2014 #90

k&r polichick Mar 2014 #64

Somebody has to drag the primary to the left. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2014 #65

Yeah, that's a winning ticket in a general election. Beacool Mar 2014 #68

Republicans have already won since establishment "Dems" have adopted their policies. polichick Mar 2014 #75

+1,000,000,000 djean111 Mar 2014 #78

Believe it all you want, but I still would take Obama over McCain or Romney. Beacool Mar 2014 #96

Not nearly as much of a difference as there should be... polichick Mar 2014 #99

Maybe so, but to state that there is no difference between the parties is ridiculous and not true. Beacool Mar 2014 #104

Who stated that? polichick Mar 2014 #106

Bea, don't worry about this at all. This is actually a really good thing for Hillary. stevenleser Mar 2014 #85

Not to mention his policies would be better for the country demwing Mar 2014 #89

It's not even worth having that discussion because he has no chance IMHO. stevenleser Mar 2014 #97

He only "has no chance" because people like you believe that... polichick Mar 2014 #101

No, its something much more fundamental these days. Money. He wont get any substantial amounts. stevenleser Mar 2014 #102

True, if not for the internet... polichick Mar 2014 #105

Well, I will be watching and reporting on it either way. stevenleser Mar 2014 #107

It will be interesting, either way! polichick Mar 2014 #119

Oh, I have no problem with him or anyone else running. Beacool Mar 2014 #98

Gosh. A progressive against yet another 3rd Way Centrist.. lemme see..how should a leftist vote..? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #70

Dreier covers all the points I was about to make: Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #84

+1000. Good find Jackpine. Similar thoughts on moving the goal posts back to the center. adirondacker Mar 2014 #108

Bernie's the guy who can credibly move the Overton Window. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #126

Bernie will win because his policy positions are supported by a wide majority. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #86

Too funny!!! Beacool Mar 2014 #100

This is the same subset of a fringe group on DU... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #112

But Kucinich WOULD have won... brooklynite Mar 2014 #114

Clearly he was on a path to victory... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #118

Yep, he's very electable........if you're the Republican nominee. Beacool Mar 2014 #127

I think you're mistaking it for the subset that said Hillary would beat Obama in 2008:-) grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #192

Actually, OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #193

Will be a fun primary!!! May the best candidate win! grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #198

If that were true, Dennis Kucinich would have finished his second term in 2012. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #103

And the US would be world leaders in all the best human categories once again. nt Zorra Mar 2014 #109

I think that the problem with the Left, and Right too, is that they think that the majority of people Beacool Mar 2014 #110

It's possible to interpret a lot of polls to say people support either extreme. stevenleser Mar 2014 #111

Falls under the rule of Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #144

Except it isn't really a matter of left and right now - it's corporations vs people. polichick Mar 2014 #113

poll after poll shows people are fixated on labels.. frylock Mar 2014 #132

And use that toward our advantage. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #147

the most valuable functions his race might be able to achieve is that he might be able to Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #115

those pushing the Wall Street Democrat line on this thread prove the need for Sanders to run as Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #117

It would be wonderful if he ran and won, but...... Hotler Mar 2014 #121

I will vote for the best candidate. Maedhros Mar 2014 #122

Apparently, the revolutionary idea is representing the 99%. winter is coming Mar 2014 #123

Sanders / Warren 2016 penndragon69 Mar 2014 #128

That would get young voters to the polls... polichick Mar 2014 #136

Fantasies are always fun..... brooklynite Mar 2014 #168

What a sad state of affairs when that ticket is seen as a fantasy on a Dem site. polichick Mar 2014 #215

Maybe because I lead a reality-based life. brooklynite Mar 2014 #216

The reality is that both Sanders and Warren stand up for the principles... polichick Mar 2014 #217

The reality is that a candidate as left-wing as Sanders... brooklynite Mar 2014 #218

Hot Damn Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #135

You knows it! K&R! Phlem Mar 2014 #137

Bernie can win, no matter what party RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #138

Let's say that Bernie wins the presidency. Yavin4 Mar 2014 #148

heh,heh...what fun to watch the Third Way sycophants go berserk!Bernie scares the sh*t out of them antigop Mar 2014 #149

Many of our neighbors in Latin America.... bvar22 Mar 2014 #159

GO BERNIE!!!! rwsanders Mar 2014 #160

I doubt he'd win, but I'd welcome him moving the debate to the left. WatermelonRat Mar 2014 #161

YES! passiveporcupine Mar 2014 #164

I Surely Am! colsohlibgal Mar 2014 #169

I hope that in the end, after the primaries WhiteTara Mar 2014 #174

I am so ready. dflprincess Mar 2014 #177

That would give the White House to the GOP. Like give them to them. BrentWil Mar 2014 #179

Elizabeth Warren! n/t Pryderi Mar 2014 #180

Upton sinclair said shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #188

I'll vote for him. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #191

I am a socialist and a Democrat. DemocraticWing Mar 2014 #194

I am a Democratic Socialist. RoccoR5955 Mar 2014 #220

Conundrum! for sure! Live and Learn Mar 2014 #195

I strongly support the announced candidate DFW Mar 2014 #197

K&R cprise Mar 2014 #223

I hope so. PLEASE maced666 Mar 2014 #224